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Re: NCAA Canadian Watch List 2020-21 

Post#21 » by Hair Canada » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:08 pm

mtr15 wrote:Tough news for Jefferson Koulibaly as he's likely out for the season with an arm injury.

https://dailyevergreen.com/93695/sports/smith-and-bonton-rep-wsu-at-pac-12-media-day/

Transferring to Lincoln Prep from Orangeville Prep in the OSBA allowed him to flourish and be the main guy. Lincoln Prep was predicted to finish in the bottom of the OSBA in 2019-20 but they managed to make OSBA playoffs (Final 8). He had big games on the road at Father Henry Carr (48 points) and at Central Tech.


Yes, that's really too bad. I was expecting to see him play college ball.
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Post#22 » by Hair Canada » Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:23 pm

TrueNorth31 wrote:Would love to see some analysis of the younger players. I hope our development pipeline continues to produce elite talent. Montreal really seems to be coming on. I didn't know anything about the names you threw out ( LOL ).

I'm not optimistic about a good turnout for our U19 age group either, with one caveat however , given Covid and with so many event and league cancellations top players will be looking for elite competitions to showcase their talents later in the year. If the NCAA season goes down the drain or is limited in scope the World U19 may be seen as something to make a name for yourself in.

I'm told one of the main reasons NCAA players don't show in these summer events is because many of them are in summer school. Not because they are bad students, but rather they need to take reduced course loads during the winter since the demands of basketball are so intense. The NCAA mandates players stay on course to graduate and often coaching pay is tied into this factor so coaches are reluctant to have them leave campus.


Interesting. Didn't know that was the main reason. And if so, I wonder if it might matter that classes are often happening in Zoom now... We'll see how things play out this summer. Still not sure we'll even have tournaments, though the outlook is certainly sunnier with the recent news from Moderna and Pfizer.
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Re: NCAA Canadian Watch List 2020-21 

Post#23 » by Hair Canada » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:00 am

SENIORS

Okay, finally I found the time to write about Seniors. Unfortunately for Canadian college fans (though probably not for the players themselves), the two arguably most interesting juniors – Nate Darling and Isiaha Mike – decided to forego their senior year in college and go pro. Darling got a two-way from the Hornets while Mike will play in Germany and will probably try his luck in the summer league.

Which leaves us with a significantly watered-down senior cohort.

1. Chris Duarte, Oregon (23yo; 6’6 SG; 190lbs; from Montreal, QC). During a 10-games stretch in January 2020, Duarte looked like a future leaguer. He scored 20 points a game with impressive precision from behind the arc, rebounded well (he’s a good athlete), showed decent court vision, and perhaps most notably, was very impressive on defense, including games with 8, 6, and 5 steals. Then he fell off a cliff in the first few games of February before the NCAA was shut down and the hype cooled off. But the potential he showed in January was really impressive. He's a really good defensive player and if he can show more consistency this year, he’s got a shot to get himself into the second round of 2021 (though at age 24 by the draft date that would not be an easy task).

2. Eugene Omoruyi, Oregon (6’6 PF; 235lbs; from Toronto, ON). Another Orangeville Prep product. A transfer from Rutgers, who sat out a year and will now play his senior year with Oregon. Not an NBA prospect, as he is too short and not athletic enough to play in the paint and doesn’t have enough on-ball skills and shooting to play in the wing. But a very strong player, who can really get his own in the paint at the college level. Also showed some surprising outside shooting in his last year at Rutgers, after not shooting any 3s during his first two years. All in all, he was very productive in 2018-19 for the Scarlet Knights, averaging 14 points and 7 rebounds a game, and he can be a nice rotation player for the Ducks this year, hopefully on his way to an overseas pro career.

3. Stef Smith, Vermont (20yo; 6’1 SG; from Ajax, ON). Another former member of the Canadian junior teams, who’s having himself a really nice college career at Vermont. Last year was sort of a breakout season for him with 12.5 points a game and good shooting. He’s too short and not athletic/fast enough for the NBA, but he continues to make progress and might be one of the best guards in college this year, on the way to an overseas pro career. This year, Vermont will also be his team I think, after being the second-leading scorer (14.2 points a game) last year behind Anthony Lamb.

Vermont will also be interesting to follow because of two other Canadians: sophomore Eric Becket and Freshman Georges Lefebvre. Lefebvre is the more interesting prospect here. Another Montreal native, who is about the same age as Mathurin and O-Max (also reclassified) and played alongside them in the Canadian Nationals on one of the best young teams that la belle province has ever put up. Lefebvre actually bloomed earlier than the other two and was considered to be the more promising talent when they were all 15 years old. But Mathurin and O-Max showed much more progress as guard and wing prospects, while Lefebvre did not cash-in on his combo-forward potential and only plays in the paint (at least last time I saw him). He has good athleticism, size (6’9), and defensive presence, but also a somewhat limited offensive game and creativity. Still, he could prove to be a dark horse among this year’s talented freshmen crop.

4. Koby McEwen, Marquette (22yo; 6’4 SG; 195lbs; from Toronto, ON). McEwen had a pretty terrible season at Marquette last year, playing next to the ball-dominant Marcus Howard (who just signed a two-way with Denver). But you can't really blame Howard for it. McEwen was once touted as one of the top-3 prospects from the Canadian class of 2016 and a clear NBA potential. But he just didn’t live up to the potential he showed at times at Utah State, where he posted 15 points, 5 rebounds, and 3 assists a game on 42% shooting from 3-point range. Now, compare these numbers with those from last year at Marquette, where he had 9.5 points, shooting a horrendous 33% (!) from the field, while not really showing any improvement as a facilitator. And that's after seating a year out. So Koby is on a downward trend in his college career. Hopefully, he can turn things around this year, though by now, it should be clear that any NBA aspirations are out of reach.

5. Abu Kigab, Boise State (21yo; 6’7 SF; 6’9 wingspan; 220lbs; from St Catharines, ON). I also don’t think anyone sees NBA potential with Kigab anymore. But I will always remember the kindness of his youth, that is, that magical U19 title run 3 years ago, in which he was clearly our second-best player. He certainly had a much bigger role last year at Boise State than he had at Oregon, and he started the season nicely with a 33-points and 11 rebounds game and a few more 20-points games. But he faded as the year progressed and didn’t shoot the ball well, especially from behind the arc. We’ll see if he can bring that good form and energy back.

A couple of other seniors to note:

Jalen Warren (Florida Gulf Coast; 6’3 PG from Milton, ON). Loved him in High school. A fairly small but gutsy and flashy guard. Was also one of the better Canadian college juniors last year and averaged about 15 points and 5 assists in his last 10 games. Could be headed for a big senior year.
• PF Stephan Vrancic from Toronto is another former Team Canada player (was a starter, alongside SGA, NAW, and Brissett on one of the best U18 teams we’ve ever put). He’s now having a nice career at Santa Clara, with about 14 points and 6 rebounds a game. Santa Clara also has two other Canadians – sophomore center, Jaden Bediako (Brampton, ON, also was on that same U18 Team Canada) and redshirt freshman Miguel Tomley, a sharpshooter from Surrey, BC.
Jahvon Blair (Georgetown; 6’4 SG from Brampton, ON) was yet another member of that U18 Team Canada (also won MVP at the Biosteel All Canadian a few years ago). Last year was his best so far with coach Ewing at Georgetown, with 11 points per game. He’s a microwave scorer who could use a strong final year as a springboard for a career overseas.


Looks like it’s going to be an interesting season and I’m quite looking forward to it. Let’s hope COVID doesn’t shut it down.
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Re: NCAA Canadian Watch List 2020-21 

Post#24 » by Hair Canada » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:58 pm

to sum, if I had to guess, the chances of seeing a Canadian drafted in 2021 are not necessarily great. The best apparent prospects for a one-and-done (Primo, Mathurin, O-Max) are playing in deep teams and would not necessarily even be starters. For each, there's probably a higher chance that they will stay multiple years.

As for the more seasoned players, the best prospects are Duarte, Carr, and Lawson. All probably second-rounders at best considering age, and each will have to play a really good season and get significantly better to get drafted.
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Re: NCAA Canadian Watch List 2020-21 

Post#25 » by mojo13 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:14 pm

Hair Canada wrote:to sum, if I had to guess, the chances of seeing a Canadian drafted in 2021 are not necessarily great. The best apparent prospects for a one-and-done (Primo, Mathurin, O-Max) are playing in deep teams and would not necessarily even be starters. For each, there's probably a higher chance that they will stay multiple years.

As for the more seasoned players, the best prospects are Duarte, Carr, and Lawson. All probably second-rounders at best considering age, and each will have to play a really good season and get significantly better to get drafted.



Yeah - I don't really see anything I'd bet on until Caleb Houstan comes around.

I do try to believe that the shear numbers dramatically increase the probably that one or two surprises comes along.

No one was calling Kelly Olynyk, Brandon Clarke, Mfiondu Kabengele as NBA 1st rounders during their freshman and sophomore seasons. You can throw Boucher, Brissett, Mulder, Brooks, Shayok, Long all into that late career "suprise" bucket in a variety of ways. Maybe Darling is next?
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Post#26 » by Hair Canada » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:42 pm

I agree about the numbers. That's the nice thing about having more than 150 NCAA players and a deep pool. Let's hope the next Clarke, Kabengele, or Boucher are out there under the radar. I couldn't see signs for it, but who knows. Brooks and Brissett were actually both known commodities for those following the young national teams and Canadian high school. Brooks was the top scorer overall in the U18 FIBA Americas. But you are right that no one predicted he will be this good.
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Re: NCAA Canadian Watch List 2020-21 

Post#27 » by mojo13 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:28 am

Hair Canada wrote:I agree about the numbers. That's the nice thing about having more than 150 NCAA players and a deep pool. Let's hope the next Clarke, Kabengele, or Boucher are out there under the radar. I couldn't see signs for it, but who knows. Brooks and Brissett were actually both known commodities for those following the young national teams and Canadian high school. Brooks was the top scorer overall in the U18 FIBA Americas. But you are right that no one predicted he will be this good.



I look at Brooks and Brissett perhaps like Lawson, Nembhard, Patterson, Akot, Kigab or others. Really hopes early, followed by disappointment (or at least free falling draft interest) followed by a redemption of sorts.

Maybe some of the latter guys mentioned can claw their way into the NBA as well.
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Re: NCAA Canadian Watch List 2020-21 

Post#28 » by Hair Canada » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:21 pm

And we're on...

Quite a few Canadians playing today.

Really interested to see Banton, Primo, and O-Max for the first time in a while. Lawson and Carr also playing.

The Arizona game with Mathurin unfortunately cancelled (alonside a bunch of other games. COVID is clearly a problem).
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Post#29 » by Hair Canada » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:58 pm

So, Dalano Banton looked great in his first game in almost two years. 14 points, 6 assists, 6 rebounds, 4 blocks, and 3 steals in a blowout Nebraska win against McNeese State. And I think he did all that only in about 20 minutes. A really talented player. Now if he can just get the 3-point shot to fall... Stevenson also with a very solid game from the bench (12, 6, 2 assists, and 2 steals).
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Post#30 » by Hair Canada » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:56 pm

Some thoughts about Moncreiff:

Pretty much what I expected. He's a great athlete and has very good energy. But he's also a complete non-shooter (1-7 from the line today and he doesn't even look at the basket even when defenders leave him open). And he also doesn't have much of a handle to be a decent slasher. So what do we get? A non-stretch, undersized PF. Really can't see an NBA profile there.
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Post#31 » by JN » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:28 am

Watching the Purdue-Liberty game.

Zach Edey was a monster out there off the bench. Only saw a few minutes -- not overly athletic, but he had good touch and was able to use his size against an overmatched Liberty team.

19 points
9-10 FG
6 rebounds

Read the OP's review of him -- accurate that this type of player does not really fit with today. But in college, there is more variety in terms of styles of offence so he may work well with Purdue. Or he could have just dominated a weak opponent in Liberty.

Will be interesting to watch his next few games.

Also thanks to the OP for the review.
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Not sure if I will watch more this year.... it is hard to watch some of these games without crowds.
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Post#32 » by Hair Canada » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:10 am

JN wrote:Watching the Purdue-Liberty game.

Zach Edey was a monster out there off the bench. Only saw a few minutes -- not overly athletic, but he had good touch and was able to use his size against an overmatched Liberty team.

19 points
9-10 FG
6 rebounds

Read the OP's review of him -- accurate that this type of player does not really fit with today. But in college, there is more variety in terms of styles of offence so he may work well with Purdue. Or he could have just dominated a weak opponent in Liberty.

Will be interesting to watch his next few games.

Also thanks to the OP for the review.
I used to be a college basketball junkie, who would watch a lot every day, but last few years it is tailed off. I have done tonnes of "bracket / analysis" type posts for a Syracuse board I post on throughout the year -- that has became my niche as a fan. But did watch many games -- realized that as I watched this last draft, where I just had not watched many.

Not sure if I will watch more this year.... it is hard to watch some of these games without crowds.


Edey was actually a really pleasant surprise for me. Great progress since the last time I watched him play. Though he's only been playing for 3 years he showed a good understanding of the game -- angles, covers, and general game IQ. He's also relatively nimble for his size and actually able to cover some P&R switches.

Again, bigs like him are a really hard sell these days in the NBA (more useful in Europe). But what he showed today is really encouraging and I wouldn't shut the door on this option. He's big, he's strong, still learning the game, still only 18, and who knows.
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Post#33 » by Hair Canada » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:54 am

Marcus Carr with a fantastic start to the season, tying his career-high with 35 points. The only college player who scored 30 or more today. Added 7 rebounds and 4 assists. He looks like the best chance for a Canadian draft pick next year.
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Post#34 » by mojo13 » Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:20 am

Hair - you going to add a supplement on Nembhard now that he is eligible and playing for Gonzaga?
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Post#35 » by Hair Canada » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:00 pm

Ye, good point about Nembhard. Didn't include him because I thought he would sit out for the year.

Seems like there's not much to say about him though. We all know by now his advantages (passing, pace, team play) and disadvantages (athleticism, strength). Had a decent but certainly not spectacular season last year. I do think Gonzaga is in principle a great fit for him. But the team was built without relying on him (unlike Florida), so we'll see how it works out. They have a lotery PG in Suggs and Ayayi and Kispert are excellent SG and SF (both possible draft picks next year). So it's a fantastic backcourt to play with, but he might not get as many minutes and touches as he did in the last two years. On the other hand, playing in a faster pace might help to bring out his passing even more.

We'll also need to see how Gonzaga's frontcourt works out. They have a few gifted players there (Timme, Ballo, Zakharov), but no proven quantity.

Guess we'll have a first chance to see how it plays out today. Looking forward to it, as the Bulldogs are my favorite college team, together with Oregon.
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Post#36 » by Hair Canada » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:19 pm

A few other notable Canadian performances from the first day of college play:

Ty Rowell, from Langley BC, with a career night -- 32 points and 9 three-pointers. Almost singlehandedly forced overtime against USC and top-5 pick in the next draft Evan Mobley (Cal Baptiste lost in the overtime). Ty has always been a great shooter. Doesn't bring much else though, but with the premium on shooting these days, a big year might propel him to a professional career somewhere.

Two former team-Canada players whom I mentioned above (both played with SGA and NAW) also had nice performances. Jahvon Blair had 23 points and 8 rebounds for Georgetown and Josip Vrancic scored 23 for Santa Clara.

And junior center Eliel Nsoseme also had a career night, with 22 and 7 in a surprising Georgia State win over Georgia Tech. But it was in a 4 OT game (!), so I'm not sure how it'll roll out. Nsoseme showed some interesting potential in high school while playing for TRC Academy. Excellent athlete and shot blocker, who lacked some fundamentals. Maybe he's starting to come into his own, but it's just one game.
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Re: NCAA Canadian Watch List 2020-21 

Post#37 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:03 pm

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Post#38 » by Hair Canada » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:45 pm

A somewhat less impressive game from Banton today. Still had 18 points, 7 rebounds and 5 assists. And showed some promise as a big long ball handler and passer. But his defensive deficiencies were on display today, including occasional lack of awareness and effort, but also difficulties in staying with quicker guards (doesn't have the quickest feet), while also having a hard time defending players with strong interior presence. At the college level it's still passable, as he often compensates with his length and gets some blocks or contests shots. But he would have a hard time staying on the court at the next level if he can't improve on these. On top of that, the shot just doesn't look good, even if he was able to get a few 3s to drop today.

Still, one of the more intriguing Canadian prospects. On second thought, one of the more intriguing college prospects regardless of nationality due to his mix of unique handle and vision for his size with a skinny frame and mediocre foot speed/athleticism.
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Post#39 » by Hair Canada » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:54 am

I watched Zach Edey again today (17 points, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks from the bench) and yesterday was no fluke. He really looks like the real deal. Strong, low center of gravity, moves pretty well for his size, plays with good energy and patience. The defense is often the real worry for guys his size. And Edey is certainly not fast. But he covers space well has good balance, and manages to move with his hands up, covering space and usually able to recover well. Also not prone to fouls like many guys his size. Still needs to improve his closing on shooters, but I think that will come.

On offense, on top of the strength, he has good footwork and good hands, as well as a pretty good touch. Also fairly good habits already not to put the ball on the floor and just go up when he catches. I also certainly see potential for developing a decent outside shot, as his touch from the free throw seems quite good.

In short, I'm still not sure if he'll make an impact in the NBA because of how the game there is played. But he's only 18 (!) and it's already clear he'll be a great college player and will make a lot of money from basketball if he stays healthy, overseas if not in the States.

And, most importantly, there's great potential there for a Team Canada big who can actually stay on the court. An exciting revelation!
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Post#40 » by Hair Canada » Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:16 am

Andrew Nembhard with a solid first game (11 points, 3 assists) for #1 Gonzaga in a great win over #6 Kansas.

Coaches just love Nembhard. Even though he just got cleared to play and despite Gonzaga being deep and not even planning on him, he still played 32 minutes. Looked like the same player he was in Florida -- saavy and in control, but not flashy.

But the real story for Gonzaga was Jalen Suggs, who already looks like an NBA player and if this game is any indication will be a great NBA PG. He has it all -- speed, strength, athleticism, a good shooting touch, and very good passing. The most impressive player I've seen in college so far (and yes, it's only one game, so should take this with a grain of salt).

As a team, Gonzaga looked really great and easily dispatched of a very good Kansas team.
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