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NN's "genius" is overrated

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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#22 » by Raps in 4 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:07 am

He's a top-5 coach, but he does have his shortcomings.

1. He's stubborn
2. He doesn't play young players
3. He overplays Patrick McCaw

I can get the stubborn part. He'll stick by his guys when they're struggling. But his strict "no minutes for rookies/sophomores" policy and his love affair with McCaw are pretty perplexing.
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#23 » by Ackshun » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:07 am

pr0gr4m wrote:What is the genius ideas NN has brainwashed you with?

A HS defensive tactic? A zone defense that gives up wide open 3s?


Well what I'm not doing, is judging the guy based on 10 games. He has had a long and storied career and has a bunch of trophies as a result.

I'm gonna go with him on this one coach.
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#24 » by Rob Diaz » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:08 am

NBA coaching is largely irrelevant in regards to winning titles. Over-emphasizing its importance is a way for fans to cope with watching a sport that rewards the team with the most high-end talent virtually every time(the rest being attributed to luck, whether it’s hot shooting or injuries).

There’s an impact with a new coach running a fresh system during the RS, but doesn’t have much of an effect in real games.
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#25 » by MixxSRC » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:11 am

bro if you are so smart; go and start coaching. You missing out on millions of dollars. Live your dream
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Post#26 » by Ackshun » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:12 am

Raps in 4 wrote:He's a top-5 coach, but he does have his shortcomings.

1. He's stubborn
2. He doesn't play young players
3. He overplays Patrick McCaw


This is fair. I don't know about number 2. I think he just has a system in place for their development and overpaying them in the first week of the season isn't part of it.

He also called that questionable timeout in the finals. But man has he done some good things.

For example, moving Ibaka to C two years ago was HUGE for us and gave Ibaka new life.

Sticking with FVV during our finals run when all of us arm chair coaches thought otherwise.


OP says NN stinks because he just throws a bunch of **** at the wall and hopes it sticks. I don't wanna assume but I'm guessing he hasn't led a small team in any capacity. That's what you do when you responsible for all these moving parts. You try new things. Some work. Some don't. Not every move is going to work out.

What a dumb thread
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#27 » by pr0gr4m » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:12 am

Ackshun wrote:
pr0gr4m wrote:What is the genius ideas NN has brainwashed you with?

A HS defensive tactic? A zone defense that gives up wide open 3s?


Well what I'm not doing, is judging the guy based on 10 games. He has had a long and storied career and has a bunch of trophies as a result.

I'm gonna go with him on this one coach.


It's about how he uses players. I don't give a **** about his storied career. I am looking at the current season and his misuse of our pieces, inability to experiment appropriately, and throwing stu ff on the wall and not seeing it stick.

He's scrambling like a teenage girl looking for something to wear to his prom. DC's concept of continuity is something NN should check out.
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#28 » by Ackshun » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:14 am

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pr0gr4m wrote:What is the genius ideas NN has brainwashed you with?

A HS defensive tactic? A zone defense that gives up wide open 3s?


Well what I'm not doing, is judging the guy based on 10 games. He has had a long and storied career and has a bunch of trophies as a result.

I'm gonna go with him on this one coach.


It's about how he uses players. I don't give a **** about his storied career. I am looking at the current season and his misuse of our pieces, inability to experiment appropriately, and throwing stu ff on the wall and not seeing it stick.

He's scrambling like a teenage girl looking for something to wear to his prom. DC's concept of continuity is something NN should check out.



Bro. We played a certain style of ball last year. He tried it with Baynes. It didn't work. As you can see, he is trying to move on.

It's not an overnight process. Relax a bit. The regular season is just practice anyhow.
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#29 » by Preliudas » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:16 am

Ackshun wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:He's a top-5 coach, but he does have his shortcomings.

1. He's stubborn
2. He doesn't play young players
3. He overplays Patrick McCaw


This is fair. I don't know about number 2. I think he just has a system in place for their development and overpaying them in the first week of the season isn't part of it.

He also called that questionable timeout in the finals. But man has he done some good things.

For example, moving Ibaka to C two years ago was HUGE for us and gave Ibaka new life.

Sticking with FVV during our finals run when all of us arm chair coaches thought otherwise.


OP says NN stinks because he just throws a bunch of **** at the wall and hopes it sticks. I don't wanna assume but I'm guessing he hasn't led a small team in any capacity. That's what you do when you responsible for all these moving parts. You try new things. Some work. Some don't. Not every move is going to work out.

What a dumb thread


Well said.
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#30 » by Ackshun » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:16 am

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pr0gr4m wrote:What is the genius ideas NN has brainwashed you with?

A HS defensive tactic? A zone defense that gives up wide open 3s?


Well what I'm not doing, is judging the guy based on 10 games. He has had a long and storied career and has a bunch of trophies as a result.

I'm gonna go with him on this one coach.


It's about how he uses players. I don't give a **** about his storied career. I am looking at the current season and his misuse of our pieces, inability to experiment appropriately, and throwing stu ff on the wall and not seeing it stick.

He's scrambling like a teenage girl looking for something to wear to his prom. DC's concept of continuity is something NN should check out.


And sorry who the **** is DC?????

I honestly hope for your sake that your are not referring to our former coach. The guy leading a squad that is 2-8. A guy who has missed the playoffs every year since leaving if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah continuity. Dude just stop.

**I stand corrected. Casey managed to finish 8th in 2019 but was swept in the first round (sound familiar?). Then, with the power of continuity, he managed to finish 13th the following year.
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#31 » by Ackshun » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:28 am

pr0gr4m wrote:
asuran wrote:OP is feeling the stress!!! Someone help him!!

I think you are. It's like telling a kid Santa Claus isn't real or their hero is actually a loser. :evil:


Did this guy just insult himself? That or its way over my head.

Anyhow I vowed to never get into heated debates on here LOL. I was just trying to save the OP from himself.

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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#32 » by anotherhomer » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:32 am

U wonder if this is a BC or Dwane Casey himself posting this
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#33 » by alfie123 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:44 am

Nick is a great coach because he has an actual goddamn approach. We’ve been a great defensive and strong offensive team under his tutelage.

He’s going to put his foot in your ass and then praise you. That’s his style. Watch this post gamer and see the praise he gives Flynn.



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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#34 » by jindy20 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:03 am

while I dont agree with OP i have always struggled to understand Nicks defensive principle of allowing corner threes
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#35 » by everdiso » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:06 am

Every good coach who attains the ultimate success always risks falling into the trap of getting cocly and thinking they're a genius who masterminded everything, and they forget to keep an open mind and get overly stubborn with their decisions even when they're clearly not working.

Nurse has fallen into a bit of that rut. It started last year with McCaw, which he was able to get away with because the team was so good otherwise, and then come playoffs he made the mistake of overpaying everyone.

He just needs to take a deep breath, regain some humility, and realize that it's not all his system and genius that made things work, and to get back his open mind and listen to what the new roster is telling him to do.

It was pretty clear imo that this year the raps were going to have to go small this year for the most part, and rely on the younger more offensive bench players more than might be ideal and even though they might screw up defensively. That we wouldn't be a super elite defense again so we'd need to use every bit of offense we have, flaws and all. But Nick was stubborn - not only has he kept trying to stick with a Big lineup all game, but he tried to get away with more McCaws this year with both Stanley and Bembry - but the raps didn't let him get away with that this time.

I think we'll still be ok if Nurse can accept that the rotation has to look something more like this:

Anunoby - Baynes/Len
Siakam --- Boucher
Powell ----- Thomas
VanVleet -- Davis
Lowry ------- Flynn

Baynes/Len used only when we're really getting abused inside, and simply stop playing the garbage players at the end of the roster altogether.
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#36 » by macNcheese3 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:08 am

pr0gr4m wrote:
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What is the genius ideas NN has brainwashed you with?

A HS defensive tactic? A zone defense that gives up wide open 3s?


Hey. Why don’t you try coaching a team with Kawhi or not to a chip? It’s posters like you that don’t understand what a transition year or time is for a team. Give your head a shake
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#37 » by kieferli » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:12 am

You could've used a better response warned!
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#38 » by beanbag » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:27 am

If you pretend 'pr0gr4m' is British and pronounces it "Pro-grum" then you actually get some entertainment out of this meaningless thread.
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Re: NN's "genius" is overrated 

Post#39 » by Marty_Budda » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:33 am

This thread only proves that some people can never be happy. They’ll always nitpick something to complain about.
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Post#40 » by JN » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:38 am

OP overrates himself

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