2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[bboyskinnylegs]

Morning peeps, Bulls fan in peace. During the last GT when we played you a few days ago a couple of fans mentioned a rebuild. If that is even somewhat true will any of your current front court be on the trade block this off season? By that I am asking about Anunoby, Boucher, or Siakam. If so, what type of package is rumored to be needed for each?

Boucher may/may not be moved, probably depends on what his trade value is like and the direction the team takes next season. If he can net us a decent young prospect to build with (or a mid-1st or better that nets us that kind of prospect) I think we'd easily move him. I don't think we intend to move OG unless we're trading for a star, he's still young, re-signed to a reasonable deal and can be part of a rebuild.

Pascal is the one that I think we could move depending on how well the draft plays out for us. If we get a star prospect, I think we'll keep him since he's proven he can excel in the right role as a 2nd option. But if we don't move up in the draft and are stuck with a mid-to-late lotto pick, with few options to substantially improve our team this summer we might look at what rebuilding packages are available to get players that line up better age-wise and are on more cap-friendly deals.

[raptoratode]

Meanwhile, as I said above, the Warriors have to be in win now mode next season with Klay coming back and Steph and Draymond aging. They're paying as much luxury tax as some teams pay in regular salaries. And if the T-Wolves pick conveys, Warriors would be the only team in a position to give up the assets required to get Pascal. We can quibble about the size of the haul, but it starts with the Minny pick and GSW's own pick this year (it's protected top 20 so no chance of conveying to T-Wolves). Wiggins is still a negative asset with his max salary and lack of production (less than 15 PER), but his salary is needed for the deal. Wiseman being part of it would help the Warriors reduce their salary. As a 2nd overall pick (in a very weak draft), he makes $8-9 mill/yr. But it depends on how much they see potential they still see in him. OK, maybe the 2023 pick was being greedy. I really just want the two lottery picks this year.

Agreed. Steph, Klay, Pascal, Dray brings GSW back to invincibility IMO and is a better lineup than BKN, LAL, LAC. Plus, they get to reduce salaries from unproductive players in Wiggins and Wiseman? Silicon Valley fans should be all over that!

So if the price is:
#4 or #5 in 2021 (MIN) = Green / Kuminga
#12 in 2021 (GSW) = Kispert

... that's easily a no brainer for Meyers and really only up to Masai/Bobby if they'd be ok to trot out in TO a lineup of...

Wiseman/Birch
OG/Boucher
Wiggins/Kuminga/Kispert
GTJ/Keon (edited to add our own pick, lol)
FVV/Flynn

All in all, I think it's a fair deal for both teams

[tecumseh18]

Meanwhile, as I said above, the Warriors have to be in win now mode next season with Klay coming back and Steph and Draymond aging. They're paying as much luxury tax as some teams pay in regular salaries. And if the T-Wolves pick conveys, Warriors would be the only team in a position to give up the assets required to get Pascal. We can quibble about the size of the haul, but it starts with the Minny pick and GSW's own pick this year (it's protected top 20 so no chance of conveying to T-Wolves). Wiggins is still a negative asset with his max salary and lack of production (less than 15 PER), but his salary is needed for the deal. Wiseman being part of it would help the Warriors reduce their salary. As a 2nd overall pick (in a very weak draft), he makes $8-9 mill/yr. But it depends on how much they see potential they still see in him. OK, maybe the 2023 pick was being greedy. I really just want the two lottery picks this year.

Agreed. Steph, Klay, Pascal, Dray brings GSW back to invincibility IMO and is a better lineup than BKN, LAL, LAC. Plus, they get to reduce salaries from unproductive players in Wiggins and Wiseman? Silicon Valley fans should be all over that!

So if the price is:
#4 or #5 in 2021 (MIN) = Green / Kuminga
#12 in 2021 (GSW) = Kispert

... that's easily a no brainer for Meyers and really only up to Masai/Bobby if they'd be ok to trot out in TO a lineup of...

Wiseman/Birch
OG/Boucher
Wiggins/Kuminga/Kispert
GTJ/Keon (edited to add our own pick, lol)
FVV/Flynn

All in all, I think it's a fair deal for both teams

Masai will probably use the cap space from Kyle leaving to bring in a decent C (Holmes?)

And no way is Kispert going in the lottery. Guys like that go around #20.

[Spida888]

Meanwhile, as I said above, the Warriors have to be in win now mode next season with Klay coming back and Steph and Draymond aging. They're paying as much luxury tax as some teams pay in regular salaries. And if the T-Wolves pick conveys, Warriors would be the only team in a position to give up the assets required to get Pascal. We can quibble about the size of the haul, but it starts with the Minny pick and GSW's own pick this year (it's protected top 20 so no chance of conveying to T-Wolves). Wiggins is still a negative asset with his max salary and lack of production (less than 15 PER), but his salary is needed for the deal. Wiseman being part of it would help the Warriors reduce their salary. As a 2nd overall pick (in a very weak draft), he makes $8-9 mill/yr. But it depends on how much they see potential they still see in him. OK, maybe the 2023 pick was being greedy. I really just want the two lottery picks this year.

Agreed. Steph, Klay, Pascal, Dray brings GSW back to invincibility IMO and is a better lineup than BKN, LAL, LAC. Plus, they get to reduce salaries from unproductive players in Wiggins and Wiseman? Silicon Valley fans should be all over that!

So if the price is:
#4 or #5 in 2021 (MIN) = Green / Kuminga
#12 in 2021 (GSW) = Kispert

... that's easily a no brainer for Meyers and really only up to Masai/Bobby if they'd be ok to trot out in TO a lineup of...

Wiseman/Birch
OG/Boucher
Wiggins/Kispert
Green/GTJ
FVV/Flynn

All in all, I think it's a fair deal for both teams

I'm guessing GSW will not give up both Wiseman + GSW FRP, that's too rich. After the Kyle Lowry trade fiasco, I'm lowering my expectations lol. Pascal is younger and signed long term unlike Kyle, but the league has gotten better and unless Thompson gets back to All-NBA form, that team won't sniff the finals.

That said, I think if we remove Wiseman or the GSW FRP that's a pretty fair trade. If we need to throw in Boucher to get that GSW FRP as well on top of Wiseman, I would do it.

[raptoratode]

Meanwhile, as I said above, the Warriors have to be in win now mode next season with Klay coming back and Steph and Draymond aging. They're paying as much luxury tax as some teams pay in regular salaries. And if the T-Wolves pick conveys, Warriors would be the only team in a position to give up the assets required to get Pascal. We can quibble about the size of the haul, but it starts with the Minny pick and GSW's own pick this year (it's protected top 20 so no chance of conveying to T-Wolves). Wiggins is still a negative asset with his max salary and lack of production (less than 15 PER), but his salary is needed for the deal. Wiseman being part of it would help the Warriors reduce their salary. As a 2nd overall pick (in a very weak draft), he makes $8-9 mill/yr. But it depends on how much they see potential they still see in him. OK, maybe the 2023 pick was being greedy. I really just want the two lottery picks this year.

Agreed. Steph, Klay, Pascal, Dray brings GSW back to invincibility IMO and is a better lineup than BKN, LAL, LAC. Plus, they get to reduce salaries from unproductive players in Wiggins and Wiseman? Silicon Valley fans should be all over that!

So if the price is:
#4 or #5 in 2021 (MIN) = Green / Kuminga
#12 in 2021 (GSW) = Kispert

... that's easily a no brainer for Meyers and really only up to Masai/Bobby if they'd be ok to trot out in TO a lineup of...

Wiseman/Birch
OG/Boucher
Wiggins/Kuminga/Kispert
GTJ/Keon (edited to add our own pick, lol)
FVV/Flynn

All in all, I think it's a fair deal for both teams

Masai will probably use the cap space from Kyle leaving to bring in a decent C (Holmes?)

And no way is Kispert going in the lottery. Guys like that go around #20.

Holmes would be nice
I'm not a fan of Kispert myself, but my boy Mike Schmitz @ ESPN has him at that 12

[tecumseh18]

That said, I think if we remove Wiseman or the GSW FRP that's a pretty fair trade. If we need to throw in Boucher to get that GSW FRP as well on top of Wiseman, I would do it.

We're not scouts, and have no idea how Wiseman is projectable. It was a weak draft. Certainly after that Raps-Warriors game (not a fair test), he doesn't look "great". I don't even care about Wiseman. I mainly want the Warriors own pick.

I only threw Wiseman in the deal because there's a 5 mill difference between Pascal's salary next season and Wiggins'. That's another 15 mill of tax the Warriors would have to pay.

[C-R-E-A-M-]

Assuming we keep Trent JR, Birch and Boucher. Lowry gone. this is what the roster will look like:

VanVleet-Flynn
Trent JR- ?
OG - ?
Siakam -Boucher
? - Birch

We have a top 10 pick, potentially a top 5 pick if we get lucky. 2 2nd rounders and a cap space. Might get pieces back from a lowry sign and trade

[raptoratode]

That said, I think if we remove Wiseman or the GSW FRP that's a pretty fair trade. If we need to throw in Boucher to get that GSW FRP as well on top of Wiseman, I would do it.

We're not scouts, and have no idea how Wiseman is projectable. It was a weak draft. Certainly after that Raps-Warriors game (not a fair test), he doesn't look "great". I don't even care about Wiseman. I mainly want the Warriors own pick.

I only threw Wiseman in the deal because there's a 5 mill difference between Pascal's salary next season and Wiggins'. That's another 15 mill of tax the Warriors would have to pay.

Take out Wiseman & Boucher from the transaction, add GSW's 2021 FRP, and Bob (Meyers)' your uncle.

Man o man, just by the eye test, Wiseman is so underwhelming; call me crazy, but I'll hold on to one year of Boucher @ 7M as the perfect back up 4 with good to great numbers, vs. Wiseman's 9M, 9.6M, 12.1M, 15.8M in the next 4 years. I'll spend that amount on Holmes.

[raptoratode]

Assuming we keep Trent JR, Birch and Boucher. Lowry gone. this is what the roster will look like:

VanVleet-Flynn
Trent JR- ?
OG - ?
Siakam -Boucher
? - Birch

We have a top 10 pick, potentially a top 5 pick if we get lucky. 2 2nd rounders and a cap space. Might get pieces back from a lowry sign and trade

If Masai didn't do much and just drafted say Keon with our top 10 pick, signed Holmes in FA, brought back Bembry for the minimum, that should put us just at the Cap for 2022 ($112M I think)

FVV/Flynn
GTJ/Keon
OG/Bembry
Pascal/Boucher
Holmes/Birch

I can talk myself to get excited for that team

[h4rrison]

Meanwhile, as I said above, the Warriors have to be in win now mode next season with Klay coming back and Steph and Draymond aging. They're paying as much luxury tax as some teams pay in regular salaries. And if the T-Wolves pick conveys, Warriors would be the only team in a position to give up the assets required to get Pascal. We can quibble about the size of the haul, but it starts with the Minny pick and GSW's own pick this year (it's protected top 20 so no chance of conveying to T-Wolves). Wiggins is still a negative asset with his max salary and lack of production (less than 15 PER), but his salary is needed for the deal. Wiseman being part of it would help the Warriors reduce their salary. As a 2nd overall pick (in a very weak draft), he makes $8-9 mill/yr. But it depends on how much they see potential they still see in him. OK, maybe the 2023 pick was being greedy. I really just want the two lottery picks this year.

Agreed. Steph, Klay, Pascal, Dray brings GSW back to invincibility IMO and is a better lineup than BKN, LAL, LAC. Plus, they get to reduce salaries from unproductive players in Wiggins and Wiseman? Silicon Valley fans should be all over that!

So if the price is:
#4 or #5 in 2021 (MIN) = Green / Kuminga
#12 in 2021 (GSW) = Kispert

... that's easily a no brainer for Meyers and really only up to Masai/Bobby if they'd be ok to trot out in TO a lineup of...

Wiseman/Birch
OG/Boucher
Wiggins/Kuminga/Kispert
GTJ/Keon (edited to add our own pick, lol)
FVV/Flynn

All in all, I think it's a fair deal for both teams

GS says no. While I think they should go all in, giving up on Wiseman and that pick for Pascal isn't going to make them any better. They may be better off with Wiseman given their lack of size and inside presence.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Meanwhile, as I said above, the Warriors have to be in win now mode next season with Klay coming back and Steph and Draymond aging. They're paying as much luxury tax as some teams pay in regular salaries. And if the T-Wolves pick conveys, Warriors would be the only team in a position to give up the assets required to get Pascal. We can quibble about the size of the haul, but it starts with the Minny pick and GSW's own pick this year (it's protected top 20 so no chance of conveying to T-Wolves). Wiggins is still a negative asset with his max salary and lack of production (less than 15 PER), but his salary is needed for the deal. Wiseman being part of it would help the Warriors reduce their salary. As a 2nd overall pick (in a very weak draft), he makes $8-9 mill/yr. But it depends on how much they see potential they still see in him. OK, maybe the 2023 pick was being greedy. I really just want the two lottery picks this year.

Agreed. Steph, Klay, Pascal, Dray brings GSW back to invincibility IMO and is a better lineup than BKN, LAL, LAC. Plus, they get to reduce salaries from unproductive players in Wiggins and Wiseman? Silicon Valley fans should be all over that!

So if the price is:
#4 or #5 in 2021 (MIN) = Green / Kuminga
#12 in 2021 (GSW) = Kispert

... that's easily a no brainer for Meyers and really only up to Masai/Bobby if they'd be ok to trot out in TO a lineup of...

Wiseman/Birch
OG/Boucher
Wiggins/Kuminga/Kispert
GTJ/Keon (edited to add our own pick, lol)
FVV/Flynn

All in all, I think it's a fair deal for both teams

GS says no. While I think they should go all in, giving up on Wiseman and that pick for Pascal isn't going to make them any better. They may be better off with Wiseman given their lack of size and inside presence.

Don’t think you realize how awful Wisemen has been. Don’t think they have the time to slowly bring him along and make him an NBA player if they have 1-2 years left of their core.

Even if they keep him no way in hell they think he’s their future with how bad he’s been. If we’re taking him it’s with the full knowledge he’s gonna be a negative while playing but we’re looking to facilitate his development with playing time.

[tecumseh18]

Kings lost by 16 points last night to the Jazz. Richaun Holmes played 34 minutes, scored 25 points, 10 rebounds and was +18. So the Kings in 14 minutes without Holmes on the floor were outscored by 34 points. In 14 minutes!

Raps can never sign American FAs. I hope this summer is an exception.

[Dyehardrapsfan]

Could the Raps resign Trent Jr and bring back Powell. If we can not bring in a big name FA?
If this was to happen would we need to move Pascal or OG?

To have Powell as your starting SG and Trent in your starting line up would make a decent starting line up ?

[Saul Goodman]

Boucher is going to be a valuable trade chip in the draft if Masai likes someone in the mid 1st round.



NY:

Boucher


for


#16




BOSTON

Boucher

for

Tristan Thompson
#16

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Meanwhile, as I said above, the Warriors have to be in win now mode next season with Klay coming back and Steph and Draymond aging. They're paying as much luxury tax as some teams pay in regular salaries. And if the T-Wolves pick conveys, Warriors would be the only team in a position to give up the assets required to get Pascal. We can quibble about the size of the haul, but it starts with the Minny pick and GSW's own pick this year (it's protected top 20 so no chance of conveying to T-Wolves). Wiggins is still a negative asset with his max salary and lack of production (less than 15 PER), but his salary is needed for the deal. Wiseman being part of it would help the Warriors reduce their salary. As a 2nd overall pick (in a very weak draft), he makes $8-9 mill/yr. But it depends on how much they see potential they still see in him. OK, maybe the 2023 pick was being greedy. I really just want the two lottery picks this year.

Agreed. Steph, Klay, Pascal, Dray brings GSW back to invincibility IMO and is a better lineup than BKN, LAL, LAC. Plus, they get to reduce salaries from unproductive players in Wiggins and Wiseman? Silicon Valley fans should be all over that!

So if the price is:
#4 or #5 in 2021 (MIN) = Green / Kuminga
#12 in 2021 (GSW) = Kispert

... that's easily a no brainer for Meyers and really only up to Masai/Bobby if they'd be ok to trot out in TO a lineup of...

Wiseman/Birch
OG/Boucher
Wiggins/Kuminga/Kispert
GTJ/Keon (edited to add our own pick, lol)
FVV/Flynn

All in all, I think it's a fair deal for both teams

GS says no. While I think they should go all in, giving up on Wiseman and that pick for Pascal isn't going to make them any better. They may be better off with Wiseman given their lack of size and inside presence.

GSW gets way better in curry's prime, with Siakam, - thats not even irrefutable. they might have some size problem in some situations but for the most part they can run with a small lineup because their offense would be top notch with Klay, Curry, Siakam, Green. Wiseman doesn't help them until 3-4 years down the road.

not saying the trade will go through but the Warriors get much better with Siakam over Wiseman. They would possibly get 2019 Siakam as the super utility role player

[Morris_Shatford]

Can we get a cap update

How much do we have if we pick up options on

Boucher
Boucher + Bembry
Boucher + Bembry + Watson

Is holmes the best FA big ?

Raps are about 72m-ish before any capholds, options, rookie contracts just guys on guaranteed contracts.

Boucher is 7m
Bembry is 2m
Watson is 1.7m

Trent's caphold is 2.1m

Holmes is likely the most logical FA big for the Raptors;
My concern is he is playing himself into a prohibitive contract which I would imagine the Kings may move mountains (Salary Cap wise) in order to sign him to.

[DreamTeam09]

Can we get a cap update

How much do we have if we pick up options on

Boucher
Boucher + Bembry
Boucher + Bembry + Watson

Is holmes the best FA big ?

Raps are about 72m-ish before any capholds, options, rookie contracts just guys on guaranteed contracts.

Boucher is 7m
Bembry is 2m
Watson is 1.7m

Trent's caphold is 2.1m

Holmes is likely the most logical FA big for the Raptors;
My concern is he is playing himself into a prohibitive contract which I would imagine the Kings may move mountains (Salary Cap wise) in order to sign him to.

Heild might be a good option for us if they're trying to create room for Holmes. His cap # is a little higher than the space we'd likely have. Maybe we send out some filler + pick and they get a TPE

[gerrit4]

Agreed. Steph, Klay, Pascal, Dray brings GSW back to invincibility IMO and is a better lineup than BKN, LAL, LAC. Plus, they get to reduce salaries from unproductive players in Wiggins and Wiseman? Silicon Valley fans should be all over that!

So if the price is:
#4 or #5 in 2021 (MIN) = Green / Kuminga
#12 in 2021 (GSW) = Kispert

... that's easily a no brainer for Meyers and really only up to Masai/Bobby if they'd be ok to trot out in TO a lineup of...

Wiseman/Birch
OG/Boucher
Wiggins/Kuminga/Kispert
GTJ/Keon (edited to add our own pick, lol)
FVV/Flynn

All in all, I think it's a fair deal for both teams

GS says no. While I think they should go all in, giving up on Wiseman and that pick for Pascal isn't going to make them any better. They may be better off with Wiseman given their lack of size and inside presence.

GSW gets way better in curry's prime, with Siakam, - thats not even irrefutable. they might have some size problem in some situations but for the most part they can run with a small lineup because their offense would be top notch with Klay, Curry, Siakam, Green. Wiseman doesn't help them until 3-4 years down the road.

not saying the trade will go through but the Warriors get much better with Siakam over Wiseman. They would possibly get 2019 Siakam as the super utility role player

Agreed, and it's likely that GSW could get a couple solid Cs at the minimum to fill in as starters. Curry/Klay/Siakam is legit, and puts Siakam in a great position to succeed.

[Zan Tabacco]

Haven't looked into the numbers but I feel if our pick is good enough and if Boston sucks enough, they might consider GTJ, our pick and maybe Boucher or one of the seconds for Jaylen Brown (throw in whatever future first as well, doubt we get to the lottery any time soon again).

Boston is in no mans land and will be expensive soon with no title contention window at the moment. That trade allows them to get younger with GTJ and get a top 7 lotto pick to bolster their roster and move forward with a core of Williams/Tatum/Smart/GTJ/Lotto pick depth. Kemba can be moved or kept in place until his contract is up

We finally get a guy that at least has shown he can be a possible #1 guy on a team. Especially if we can now slide Siakam to being our secondary star to take pressure off of him and FVV scoring wise. He's also better than any of the lotto picks outside of the top 3

I'd do this only if we don't move up to the top 4. Boston probably only does it if we do.

Trent Jr., Boucher + top 4 pick > Brown.

[Zan Tabacco]

Morning peeps, Bulls fan in peace. During the last GT when we played you a few days ago a couple of fans mentioned a rebuild. If that is even somewhat true will any of your current front court be on the trade block this off season? By that I am asking about Anunoby, Boucher, or Siakam. If so, what type of package is rumored to be needed for each?

If we go full rebuild then Williams would be the piece I'd want. Williams and OG on the wings would be an incredible defensive combo, I really like the idea of pairing them moving forward. I'd be willing to include Vanvleet & Boucher to get it done.

Satoransky + Aminu + Williams + future 1st round pick (2025) for Vanvleet & Boucher.

I'd try to follow it up with a Siakam to GS deal for the 4th pick and hopefully the Raps jump up to the top 4 as well.

So in a rebuild we'd have ideally two lottery picks + Trent Jr. + OG + Williams as the core to build around, while maintaining flexibility and cap space to absorb more assets/bad deals.

Suggs
Trent Jr.
Williams
Anunoby
Mobley

A rebuild lineup like this would be ideal to me.