Draft Thread Part 4

[BoyzNTheHood]

In reference to someone saying we're taking Moody:

I could see this. He really did have a hell of a freshman season for an 18 year old. People are down on him because he can't create much yet and played poorly in the tourney, but he found a way to be a winning player as a freshman, should be a plus wing defender and can shoot it and he had zero 3pt shooting threats around him. In the post-Kuminga range, it feels like he, Sengun and Wagner are the 3 guys whose body of work last season indicate they are NBA rotation guys already.

I can sell myself on Moody, but I'd struggle to see him as much more than a 3+D guy with a little something extra, which isn't bad but I'm not sure that's who I want at 7. I think a lot of his issues at the rim are because he struggles to jump off of one foot. He's a 2 foot leaper similar to how T-Ross was, except T-Ross was obviously an elite vertical threat.

But Moody might have a 7 foot+ wingspan, will probably turn into a knock down shooter, and has a surprisingly high free throw rate for a guy seen as more of a spot up guy. He also made some incredibly flashy passes which were surprising in the moment, although his assist numbers weren't where we'd probably like them to be.

Isn't Moody, Jeremy Lamb 2.0?

If I knew I'd be getting paid Masai money

The thing is we're all just trying to see the value in these guys. Moody doesn't jump off the page, but let's also not forget that he was a freshman leading a team to the elite 8. And what's up with that FTR? That's Harden-esque

[BoyzNTheHood]

Need another athletic wing.. im sick of these tiny guards. If its Moody fine but Barnes has crazy upside and would be enticing to see how he would develop under outs.

I just hope we crack the top 4 and get either Cade or Green/kuminga

If things stay the way they are Barnes is gone at 6, GSW is too smart. We need a shake up otherwise we may have to trade down or reach, unless someone reaches in front of us.

Bouknight is not a reach at 7, take him and run.

Moody is a good option too and wouldn't be a reach

While Bouknights athletic talents are probably second to only Keon Johnson in this draft, I struggle with his tunnel vision. I could be wrong, but I'm taking Dosunmu over Bouknight any day of the week.

[tecumseh18]

I can sell myself on Moody, but I'd struggle to see him as much more than a 3+D guy with a little something extra, which isn't bad but I'm not sure that's who I want at 7. I think a lot of his issues at the rim are because he struggles to jump off of one foot. He's a 2 foot leaper similar to how T-Ross was, except T-Ross was obviously an elite vertical threat.

But Moody might have a 7 foot+ wingspan, will probably turn into a knock down shooter, and has a surprisingly high free throw rate for a guy seen as more of a spot up guy. He also made some incredibly flashy passes which were surprising in the moment, although his assist numbers weren't where we'd probably like them to be.

Isn't Moody, Jeremy Lamb 2.0?

If I knew I'd be getting paid Masai money

The thing is we're all just trying to see the value in these guys. Moody doesn't jump off the page, but let's also not forget that he was a freshman leading a team to the elite 8. And what's up with that FTR? That's Harden-esque

Not to mention his 7 foot wingspan. I'd really can't wait to see Moody's actual measurements. At 18, he may not have stopped growing.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Isn't Moody, Jeremy Lamb 2.0?

If I knew I'd be getting paid Masai money

The thing is we're all just trying to see the value in these guys. Moody doesn't jump off the page, but let's also not forget that he was a freshman leading a team to the elite 8. And what's up with that FTR? That's Harden-esque

Not to mention his 7 foot wingspan. I'd really can't wait to see Moody's actual measurements. At 18, he may not have stopped growing.

Yeah, Lamb was 6'5" with a 7'1" wingspan though. I think Moody has wider shoulders though so he might be able to add more mass.

[gojoorange]

I think Wagner will be in serious consideration if the Raps end up 7 or 8. He is a sophomore but still the same age as some of the freshman prospects. He made real improvement from year 1 to year 2. It would be interesting to see what the Raps could do to develop his athleticism and skills. He is probably a legitimate rotation player from day 1 and would be interesting playing with scoring guards like Flynn and Harris.

[XTC]

Moody is not bad at all. I view him as Trevor Ariza, but he does have some shot creating potential in him.

[Ell Curry]

Isn't Moody, Jeremy Lamb 2.0?

At the 2012 draft, we all convinced ourselves that Lamb was the pick (until Drummond dropped, and then many of us got on his bandwagon while Raps were on the clock). Pretty crappy draft after Barnes, in retrospect. This will be much better.

And Lamb wasn't a bad player. He certainly has earned the titled Raptors-killer. But with that skinny frame, he seems to get hurt a lot. Moody seems stockier. I want to see the measurements. And if he shows any kinda handle in the workout (we won't see it, but the Raps will).

I was definitely entranced by Lamb. Looked so fluid at UConn, I was sure he was a starting 2 guard in the league.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think Wagner will be in serious consideration if the Raps end up 7 or 8. He is a sophomore but still the same age as some of the freshman prospects. He made real improvement from year 1 to year 2. It would be interesting to see what the Raps could do to develop his athleticism and skills. He is probably a legitimate rotation player from day 1 and would be interesting playing with scoring guards like Flynn and Harris.

I watched a lot of michigan this year. I honestly dont see his game translating all that well to the nba. Raps picking him at 7 would be a mistake imo. Doesnt fit out personell. We think this 7 pick will be starting in the next 2 years. I dont ser how wagner gets to that level with us

[Indeed]

Interesting how the Score's mock draft has us taking Davion Mitchell. Perhaps an omen to come?

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/2175761


7. Toronto Raptors - Davion Mitchell, G, Baylor

Mitchell was instrumental in Baylor's national championship run, averaging 13.5 points, 5.8 assists, and 1.7 steals during the 2021 NCAA Tournament. He was clinical in the pick-and-roll and created havoc on the defensive end with his lateral quickness and active hands. The Bears feasted all season off live-ball turnovers created by Mitchell and Co. The 6-foot-2 guard should excel similarly on a Raptors squad that loves to attack in transition. Mitchell provides some insurance in the event Kyle Lowry leaves in free agency this summer.

Many project Davion with the Raptors. I wonder if Davion would be that high if this is not because of "need" by the Raptors.
I have him at around 10, so I wouldn't be surprised if we drop to 9th and pick him up. I think he would be the best fit, but do we take BPA instead?

Still, we have a lot of options, and the measurement/workout will change. I will not be surprised some forwards or centre will raise after the measurement. Right now we see more guards, because their skill set can be transitioned, while forwards have more to do with physical ability then skills.

[Indeed]

We did, but it wasn't at length, and you wouldn't be the first or the last, so say your piece.

Edited my original post with a spoiler

I tend to like wings, so I hope Masai / Bobby do their scouting on him. In the interviews I watched of him he seemed like he has a good head on his shoulders.

He looks intriguing to me, but someone I would need to see more footage of before making up my mind.

Yeah, he seems to project as a solid 3+D guy. I'd be interested in him, or even a guy like JT Thor in the 2nd round. Thor has a lot of work to do before he can become the shooter Edwards is though.

We talked about Jordan Schakel a bit as well, who I think is the best shooter in the draft.

Talked about Edwards with the like of Trey Murphy, RaiQuan Gray, Herb Jones (Jordan Schakel is a guard, not forward that is 6'8 or above).

[WuTang_CMB]

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[UnbelievablyRAW]

I’m all in for trading Pascal and FVV in the offseason and going full tear and rebuild.

Pascal to Warriors for deal centred around Wiseman and their pick

FVV to the Knicks for Quickley and their FRP or 2 FRP and Mitchell + Knox if they want to keep Quickley

S&T Kyle to LAL for tht, Harrell, and their FRP. If they don’t budge on THT we take whatever as long as we get that 20th pick.

With all the young assets coming in and the 2 lottery plus 2 top 20 picks we can be the next Hawks very quickly

[WuTang_CMB]

Lol ^ not happening.
We have a solid core we need to add not subtract

Masai’s philosphy is build and win on the fly. We dont do the sam presti way

[WuTang_CMB]

Watch on YouTube

Thought this was a good video

I rather take a guy like Keon that Moody. Keon jumps out at you with how hard he plays. His defence is right there and has probably the best explosiveness in the class.

[Blood Orange]

Watch on YouTube

Thought this was a good video

I rather take a guy like Keon that Moody. Keon jumps out at you with how hard he plays. His defence is right there and has probably the best explosiveness in the class.

Oddly as it sounds, Keon kind of looks like a young Kobe in the thumbnail of that video

[tecumseh18]

I’m all in for trading Pascal and FVV in the offseason and going full tear and rebuild.

Pascal to Warriors for deal centred around Wiseman and their pick.

FVV to the Knicks for Quickley and their FRP or 2 FRP and Mitchell + Knox if they want to keep Quickley

S&T Kyle to LAL for tht, Harrell, and their FRP. If they don’t budge on THT we take whatever as long as we get that 20th pick.

With all the young assets coming in and the 2 lottery plus 2 top 20 picks we can be the next Hawks very quickly

Wiseman is crap ATM. And by "their pick", you mean the #14 pick? You're trading a two-way All-NBAer for a little bit of nothing? For Ziaire Williams? I can see a trade with GSW being possible, but only if the Minny pick conveys.

And the best defensive PG in the league who just set the team record for most points in a game, who at the controls won 16 games in a row when Lowry's been hurt over the last two seasons. For *checks notes* Quickly and a pick in the 20s. C'mon man. Masai doesn't give away value like that. Bargs got us a lottery pick, ultimately used to trade for a championship.

OTOH, the Kyle sign and trade is what I've been predicting will happen for some time now. Kyle playing (and excelling) in the Lakers game. All the pieces fit. I don't even care about THT, but I want that #22 pick. And maybe Marc back along with KCP for salary ballast.

[raptor jesus]

I have concerns about Mitchell, particularly his shooting, but I couldn't care less about his age. One could even argue it's a plus in terms of return on investment i.e. he's ready to contribute right away and will be cheap through his prime. Some guys are just late bloomers or didn't get an opportunity early in college; hell, guys like Rodman and Taj Gibson were drafted closer to 25.

[OAKLEY_2]

If I knew I'd be getting paid Masai money

The thing is we're all just trying to see the value in these guys. Moody doesn't jump off the page, but let's also not forget that he was a freshman leading a team to the elite 8. And what's up with that FTR? That's Harden-esque

Not to mention his 7 foot wingspan. I'd really can't wait to see Moody's actual measurements. At 18, he may not have stopped growing.

Yeah, Lamb was 6'5" with a 7'1" wingspan though. I think Moody has wider shoulders though so he might be able to add more mass.

Fans this isn't going to the track and picking Horses on pedigree there is something called knowing how to play the game. People went through upside machinations in past drafts and at 9 Masai took Poetl. Key component in the Kawhi trade. As usual people here want their pound of Kobe or upside 18 year old. Let's let Masai and Bobby and Dan do their jobs. They did the Covid travel and they have been following these names for ages. Projecting athletic upside at the wing is the draft conversation favourite pastime. If we followed the Poetl model then Moody or Mitchell are right there. I'd even say Zaire is in play. Keon shooting woes and Barnes shooting woes are going to be difficult dice rolling decisions if Nurse has input. I would say Giddey is in play as well. Pretty sure no bigs this lotto pick and Bouknight and Tre Mann are not going before Mitchell or Zaire.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I’m all in for trading Pascal and FVV in the offseason and going full tear and rebuild.

Pascal to Warriors for deal centred around Wiseman and their pick.

FVV to the Knicks for Quickley and their FRP or 2 FRP and Mitchell + Knox if they want to keep Quickley

S&T Kyle to LAL for tht, Harrell, and their FRP. If they don’t budge on THT we take whatever as long as we get that 20th pick.

With all the young assets coming in and the 2 lottery plus 2 top 20 picks we can be the next Hawks very quickly

Wiseman is crap ATM. And by "their pick", you mean the #14 pick? You're trading a two-way All-NBAer for a little bit of nothing? For Ziaire Williams? I can see a trade with GSW being possible, but only if the Minny pick conveys.

And the best defensive PG in the league who just set the team record for most points in a game, who at the controls won 16 games in a row when Lowry's been hurt over the last two seasons. For *checks notes* Quickly and a pick in the 20s. C'mon man. Masai doesn't give away value like that. Bargs got us a lottery pick, ultimately used to trade for a championship.

OTOH, the Kyle sign and trade is what I've been predicting will happen for some time now. Kyle playing (and excelling) in the Lakers game. All the pieces fit. I don't even care about THT, but I want that #22 pick. And maybe Marc back along with KCP for salary ballast.

The Minnesota pick, not the Warriors own. I just hope we take Bouknight if we land outside of the top 4. Lowry to LAL would be ideal but idk about their willingness to have two 35+ year olds they’re paying mega millions on multi year deals