The too early Suggs vs. Barnes thread

[C_Money]

Scottie has the edge because he plays for the Raptors and not the magic. The raptors have a way better player development staff than the magic.

Most of the draft picks would rather play for Toronto than the magic. Even if Scottie turns out to be the better player, it's hard to know how well Suggs would have been.

I think we need to stop worrying about Suggs. We have Scottie, lets move on from comparing these two.

They’ll be compared for as long as Barnes is a Raptor. Suggs was viewed as the obvious pick and we passed on him. It was a risky as hell draft choice.

[simple_jack]

Scottie has the edge because he plays for the Raptors and not the magic. The raptors have a way better player development staff than the magic.

Most of the draft picks would rather play for Toronto than the magic. Even if Scottie turns out to be the better player, it's hard to know how well Suggs would have been.

I think we need to stop worrying about Suggs. We have Scottie, lets move on from comparing these two.

They’ll be compared for as long as Barnes is a Raptor. Suggs was viewed as the obvious pick and we passed on him. It was a risky as hell draft choice.

Suggs was perrrrfecct for this team post Lowry


But I believe in Masai and Barnes.

But still….Suggs was perrrrrfffffectttt for us

[WaltFrazier]

Just think. If we had drafted Suggs, there wouldn't be all this doubt and hand wringing about Barnes. There wouldn't be a season long debate shaping up. We'd be thrilled with our new Kyle replacement, and Barnes would be another 6'8 athlete. Who might not shine on the inferior Magic the way Suggs will.

[Young_Buc]

Scottie has the edge because he plays for the Raptors and not the magic. The raptors have a way better player development staff than the magic.

Most of the draft picks would rather play for Toronto than the magic. Even if Scottie turns out to be the better player, it's hard to know how well Suggs would have been.

I think we need to stop worrying about Suggs. We have Scottie, lets move on from comparing these two.

They’ll be compared for as long as Barnes is a Raptor. Suggs was viewed as the obvious pick and we passed on him. It was a risky as hell draft choice.

I'm just hoping this isn't cp3/Marvin Williams redux.

Marvin was a 6th man with superstar measureables too.

[HKBOY]

Suggs is clearly the better player right now and he will be a star in 2-3 years. Barnes will have a solid career, but unless he becomes Kawhi 2.0, this will always be the wrong pick imo. If we were drafting at 5-7 instead, then Barnes would have been a good pick.

[Sandman88]

Suggs a -20 at the end of regulation and was clanking. Mans got outplayed by Kyle Guy

[TdotRap4Lyfe]

Suggs is clearly the better player right now and he will be a star in 2-3 years. Barnes will have a solid career, but unless he becomes Kawhi 2.0, this will always be the wrong pick imo. If we were drafting at 5-7 instead, then Barnes would have been a good pick.

He is nothing like Kawhi. Just watching that one game of summer league I can see why people compare him to Draymond. If he becomes anything close to Draymond he would be a steal at #4 for us.

Edit: preferably he becomes a better scorer than Draymond.

[simple_jack]

Suggs a -20 at the end of regulation and was clanking. Mans got outplayed by Kyle Guy

Cole held him back.

Cole already lost the starting position after this game and it’s not even close

[anotherhomer]

we passed on a good player with Jrue 2.0 floor, for potentially a Draymond Green/JYK good role player...
pretty risky alrite....

[HKBOY]

Suggs is clearly the better player right now and he will be a star in 2-3 years. Barnes will have a solid career, but unless he becomes Kawhi 2.0, this will always be the wrong pick imo. If we were drafting at 5-7 instead, then Barnes would have been a good pick.

He is nothing like Kawhi. Just watching that one game of summer league I can see why people compare him to Draymond. If he becomes anything close to Draymond he would be a steal at #4 for us.

Edit: preferably he becomes a better scorer than Draymond.

I know Barnes is nothing like Kawhi but it does seem like Masai/Bobby/Nurse think they can turn him into the next franchise SF like Kawhi.

I think Barnes will be a good player but with the 4th pick in a top 4 draft, I would much rather pick a Brandon Roy/Jason Kidd over a Draymond/AK47, especially when we have no one who can create his own shot effectively.

[PhilBlackson]

Scottie has the edge because he plays for the Raptors and not the magic. The raptors have a way better player development staff than the magic.

Most of the draft picks would rather play for Toronto than the magic. Even if Scottie turns out to be the better player, it's hard to know how well Suggs would have been.

I think we need to stop worrying about Suggs. We have Scottie, lets move on from comparing these two.

They’ll be compared for as long as Barnes is a Raptor. Suggs was viewed as the obvious pick and we passed on him. It was a risky as hell draft choice.

I'm just hoping this isn't cp3/Marvin Williams redux.

Marvin was a 6th man with superstar measureables too.

It's more Michael Carter Williams (Suggs) vs Giannis (Barnes)...MCW came out hot but Giannis became much better :p lol amirite....can play it both ways

[disoblige]

Suggs is clearly the better player right now and he will be a star in 2-3 years. Barnes will have a solid career, but unless he becomes Kawhi 2.0, this will always be the wrong pick imo. If we were drafting at 5-7 instead, then Barnes would have been a good pick.

Summer league. Sugg is overrated, he was carried in Olympics and College by his teammates. Watch him get exposed in Magic this season.

[Public_Enemy101]

we passed on a good player with Jrue 2.0 floor, for potentially a Draymond Green/JYK good role player...
pretty risky alrite....

Except, he’s not at all like JRue. He’s like a more athletic Lowry with the killing instinct of Trae Young. We picked down for an OG 2.0

[basketball royalty]

I would’ve gone Suggs myself at the draft but I think Scottie looks great. I think both guys will be stars, Suggs would’ve fit better if we were looking to contend again quicker IMO. Barnes to me means Pascals days on the team are numbered.

We’ll see how it plays out.

[Mehar]

Suggs was the guy I wanted since January on this forum. I thought for sure he would have been our pick at 4. However, we picked Barnes, and Suggs is in Orlando. I am hoping both guys do well in their new cities. I do not like the fact some Raptor fans on Twitter and even in this forum, are hoping for the downfall of Suggs. Toronto passed on him, so why root for his failure? I thought Suggs would have been dynamic under Toronto's development system, and next to FVV. Now rooting for Barnes to be that player in a couple of years.

[Wargreymon]

I pray this doesnt become a passed on Kobe for Andre Iguodala type of situation. That would Sugg so hard.

[asuran]

First two years, Suggs since he's more polished and NBA ready.
After two years of development, Barnes would start pulling ahead.

[simple_jack]

we passed on a good player with Jrue 2.0 floor, for potentially a Draymond Green/JYK good role player...
pretty risky alrite....

Except, he’s not at all like JRue. He’s like a more athletic Lowry with the killing instinct of Trae Young. We picked down for an OG 2.0

That was my main draw to Suggs. We need a winner when it counts on our team. Lowry was that guy for the longest time. Even when we had Derozan.

Suggs has that “it” factor where he gets so competitive late game that he just makes winning plays. Hard to find that.

[Basketball_Jones]

To me it comes down to how much better Suggs will be over Fred and Flynn. If it’s not much, then I can live with it

[navyblue]

through 1 summer league game

suggs - as advertised, but is a pg, cant play sg full time, looked smaller than 6'4" but played up in size
jalen green - quickness translates
barnes - plays big
cade - smaller than advertised, smaller, slower and less athletic than i was lead to believe, played down in size.
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