So what COULD we have gotten for Kyle Lowry?

[Quattro]

I’d be happy with getting zero return back for Kyle if it meant we screwed Philly and the Lakers chance of winning a title last year

[kalel123]

We wouldn't have gotten much better than what we ended up getting. Yeah, we all thought Dragic would be better than he has been so far but can't win everything and what Dragic ultimately ends up being is still TBD.

Knowing what we now know of Morey's delusions regarding his team's assets from Ben Simmons fiasco and what they ultimately parted with for George Hill, I don't believe the rumors that probably originated from Philly to begin with for one second. They weren't going to give up anything of value for Lowry and that's why Morey was so happy to get George Hill for almost nothing. And he got what he deserved, too, a bunch of nothing in the playoffs.

[vini_vidi_vici]

I think we could've got a late 1st + expiring from a contender had we traded him last summer.

We lost bargaining power after that since teams knew he was walking and we wanted to do him right by trading him to a team of his choice.

In hindsight I think it is what it is. Dragic has 0 trade value so I dont expect us to get any assets for him. Precious doesnt have much of a future with us since he's undersized and we have Pascal, Barnes, and OG who will eat up minutes.

He's a helpful addition to the Heat but his production is already declining and I'm unsure if that team is better than all of the Bucks, Nets, 76ers, Clippers, Lakers, Nuggets, Jazz, Warriors, etc. My gut is this Heat team wont win a title.

I disagree with most of this.

We got a late first (Precious), and an expiring.

Dragic even if he has 0 value (id argue that), is salary ballast which is value given how trades work in the NBA.

Precious has a future with us, and has been very good at most things outside of shooting, hes also only 22.

Kyle Lowry has been great for the Heat, look at the on/off numbers, not counting stats (as is always the case with KL).

[YelloC]

It honestly seemed like teams were colluding to make sure the Raptors got as small a return as possible.
I can’t recall who but I remember far worse players than Lowry getting better returns for expiring players.
I still feel like Precious will become a decent player.

[Badonkadonk]

I think we could've got a late 1st + expiring from a contender had we traded him last summer.

Based on what?

We know now that Miami felt confident they could just wait for FA. We also know that Morey is SUPER stingy and wasn't offering Maxey (who is starting now) or Thybulle, and we also can observe that he went into damage control the next day talking about preserving "future competitive window" by hanging onto his future assets.

We also know now that the Raps were going to respect Kyle's wishes as well, so it's not like there was a completely unfettered market.

I'm kind of surprised the Raps still ended up with somebody they want (Achiuwa, equivalent of a late 1st anyway) + salary ballast (Dragic's contract).

[OakleyDokely]

The Heat and Sixers traded almost nothing to acquire Oladipo and George Hill at the deadline. I don't know why people assume there was a big market for a vet on a huge expiring deal, even for someone as good as Lowry.

The Raps ended up with a recent 1st round pick + an expiring for Lowry which was probably close to what they could've got at the deadline.

[Backcountry]

In hindsight, Morey might wish he had traded Simmons for Lowry. But Kyle wouldn't have fit in with Philly like he does with Miami, other than it's his hometown.

I think we got about what we could get. Precious is going to be decent. He's learning. Goran? Not sure other than gone before the season ends...

[alevirfe]

surprised reading through this thread everyone seems okay with the move now. that was definitely not the case when the trade happened/didn't happen at last year's deadline

(I'm not saying it's the same peeps in this thread that were saying that)

[lolwut]

Its so weird that people invest so much time in rumors that we now cite them as facts (see the Maxey narratives).

To answer the question though, we likely will never know, and as such, should not care.

I'm always fascinated with the way trade rumors slowly become facts.

[lobosloboslobos]

Hang on, we got Precious and whatever Masai turns Dragic into. And if I know Masai that will be something useful. I bet we see more of Dragic - rested and healthy and probably well-prepped and in good form - once we get closer to the trade deadline if not before.

All in all, that will likely prove a very highly quality return for a free agent who could easily have walked for zilch. Masai played his hand as well as reasonably possible imo. As usual. And if Precious eventually becomes a valuable starter on a good team it will go down as a great play by Masai.

[Fairview4Life]

In hindsight, Morey might wish he had traded Simmons for Lowry. But Kyle wouldn't have fit in with Philly like he does with Miami, other than it's his hometown.

I think we got about what we could get. Precious is going to be decent. He's learning. Goran? Not sure other than gone before the season ends...

Philly doesn't lose to the Hawks if they have Kyle Lowry. At minimum.

[OakleyDokely]

Its so weird that people invest so much time in rumors that we now cite them as facts (see the Maxey narratives).

To answer the question though, we likely will never know, and as such, should not care.

I'm always fascinated with the way trade rumors slowly become facts.

It's especially funny believing any rumours surrounding the 76ers franchise.

[Johnny Bball]

In hindsight, Morey might wish he had traded Simmons for Lowry. But Kyle wouldn't have fit in with Philly like he does with Miami, other than it's his hometown.

I think we got about what we could get. Precious is going to be decent. He's learning. Goran? Not sure other than gone before the season ends...

Kyle LIVES in miami. It is his hometown too.

He was never going to re-sign with Philly, that is very clear now. So why would Philly actually have offered a first and two prospects for a rental? The answer is..... They didn't.

Philly kept Butler and it may be a different argument and Kyle might have gone there. But alas.. the sixers crapped out.

[Raps in 4]

I think we could've got a late 1st + expiring from a contender had we traded him last summer.

That's literally exactly what we got in the trade.

[Anticon]

I don't think it was a great trade, but we were hampered by the fact that teams have always undervalued Lowry.

Like what do you do with a team like the Lakers that would rather give up rotation players and pay Westbrook $47 million instead of burning a few assets and paying Kyle $30 million?

Smart teams understand he can be a top three player on a title team, which is exactly what he got in Miami. Most of the league, despite the obvious, continues to think he's not worth an investment, so that limited what we could get.

[HomieOmey]

I think we could've got a late 1st + expiring from a contender had we traded him last summer.

That's literally exactly what we got in the trade.

Essentially, yes. But holding onto Lowry A) improved the chances of us winning more games and netting us a worse pick and B) led to an extra year of salary and no major free agent aquisition.

Thankfully, Lowry ended up resting quite a bit and we got super lucky with our draft pick.

We did essentially lose our cap space since we lost the opportunity to take advantage of GTJ's weird contract situation. With Lonzo to Chicago looking like it was agreed to a while ago, that probably doesn't matter as much as some of us might have hoped it could. But Dragic's ending contract really doesn't do much for us unless we use it as a trade chip. It's not like we're going to have serious cap space to go after a top target.

[Ell Curry]

Ideally, we'd have gotten a first rounder or a prospect like Maxey, and an expiring contract and then we would have had about 18-19M in cap space, with which we'd have signed Richaun Holmes or pulled off a Boucher for Lonzo Ball deal.

[Pooh_Jeter]

There were multiple reports piecing together the potential 76ers deal.

Maxey, Danny Green to a 3rd team and then the pieces that were traded for George Hill as the extra salary ballast. The 76ers had their first round pick available as well. Add to that any compensation from flipping Green.

Precious was absolutely on the table from Miami and its unclear if Robinson was. Herro certainly was not on the table.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people would rather put their head in the sand than admit the Lowry return was underwhelming. Maxey has been outstanding this year and almost led the severely shorthanded 76ers to a win against the defending champs last night.

[kalel123]

Its so weird that people invest so much time in rumors that we now cite them as facts (see the Maxey narratives).

To answer the question though, we likely will never know, and as such, should not care.

I'm always fascinated with the way trade rumors slowly become facts.

It's especially funny believing any rumours surrounding the 76ers franchise.

Yeah, at this point, you are an idiot if you believe any rumor coming from the Sixers side of things.

The other day, there was wiretap article about how Celtics have engaged Sixers about Ben Simmons trade where it was stated that any Simmons trade would have to involve Jaylen Brown, which is bunch of baloneys. That's the kind of crooked BS rumor that Morey and Sixers cook up and plant all the time. They've been exposed due to Ben Simmons fiasco so don't believe any rumors regarding what they supposedly offered for Lowry.

[Duffman100]

There were multiple reports piecing together the potential 76ers deal.

Maxey, Danny Green to a 3rd team and then the pieces that were traded for George Hill as the extra salary ballast. The 76ers had their first round pick available as well. Add to that any compensation from flipping Green.

Precious was absolutely on the table from Miami and its unclear if Robinson was. Herro certainly was not on the table.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people would rather put their head in the sand than admit the Lowry return was underwhelming. Maxey has been outstanding this year and almost led the severely shorthanded 76ers to a win against the defending champs last night.

But we don't know. If the Lakers were refusing to deal THT, it's very possible the 76ers were refusing to deal Maxey.

This idea that somehow we know and that we missed out is ridiculous. Only Masai and Bobby know what's up.

Precious is not a bad return. People are worrying about a 22 year old center who is raw but very talented. We've told him to be hyper aggressive and now we're starting to reign him in a bit. I wouldn't be shocked to see that TS to climb. Especially with him coming off the bench now.