The Ringer: The Scottie Barnes Revolution Is Under Way in Toronto

[NBA Sheady]

He was tied with Stoudamire for most points as a rookie. Stoudamire was very close to his fully developed game as a rookie. Scottie has no moves, no fakes, no offensive polish whatsoever. He's getting points on effort, smarts and absurd physical attributes.

I'd add touch and timing to that list of attributes, and those are actually quite hard to teach.

Yeah that touch is an example of polish.

[Fade_awayJ]

The faster we commit to Scottie being the franchise player, the faster we’ll get to actually contending for a championship imo.

[Boogie!]

Only so much playmaking can be done with how much he has the ball in his hands. He’s shown some nice playmaking flashes and is averaging 2.6 APG (4 APG in the last 3 games). As he gets more comfortable he’ll show even more

I don't know, I'm just not getting the complete point-forward vibe I was sold. If he was more of the "PG" he was advertised to be, I think he would have shown more of that by now. There's been opportunity. I've seen some nice flashes of court vision; I've seen some great passes. But I've never felt like he was controlling the tempo or really looking to get guys going. Feels like he's developing more like a Kawhi/Derozan/Tatum than a Simmons/Draymond/Jokic in terms of his playmaking. Maybe I'm completely alone there, but I don't even mean it as a negative since he's already shown so much with his consistent defence, scoring, and rebounding.

NBA.com wrote:

For a forward who excels as a creator on the perimeter, he's not all that comfortable working out of the post. He can still pass with his back to the basket, but he doesn't have an array of post moves to get a bucket.

Am I alone feeling much more confident that he will score than assist once he's down low right now?

I think Nick Nurse is mandated by the front office to emphasize and develop Scottie's offense and scoring. You keep hearing Nurse in the media wanting Scottie to take more shots.

We all know and have seen Scottie's passing and court vision. It is a known quantity at this point in time.

If his scoring is developed and he is the guy with the ball in his hands as a focal point on offense...the passing and the assists will come.

I really do need to see him shooting the ball more though. I want him shooting at least 3 to 4 shots from mid range or the 3 point line per game. I don't care if he misses...but he needs the reps in game situations to get comfortable. If he is ever able to hit 1 to 2 three pointers a game...then you give him the ball and watch him dish to cutters or spot up shooters because at that point...he will demand double teams.

How is scottie gonna take more shots when he has og and fvv taking all the shots and Trent the black hole alongside him... nurse needs to hammer home some offensive principles on this yeam... some players need to be given specific roles... and told to only do certain things...

A guy like achiuwa at this point should be told just defend revoujd block shots and finish in the paint... that's it....

[nikster]

I don't know, I'm just not getting the complete point-forward vibe I was sold. If he was more of the "PG" he was advertised to be, I think he would have shown more of that by now. There's been opportunity. I've seen some nice flashes of court vision; I've seen some great passes. But I've never felt like he was controlling the tempo or really looking to get guys going. Feels like he's developing more like a Kawhi/Derozan/Tatum than a Simmons/Draymond/Jokic in terms of his playmaking. Maybe I'm completely alone there, but I don't even mean it as a negative since he's already shown so much with his consistent defence, scoring, and rebounding.

NBA.com wrote:

Am I alone feeling much more confident that he will score than assist once he's down low right now?

I think Nick Nurse is mandated by the front office to emphasize and develop Scottie's offense and scoring. You keep hearing Nurse in the media wanting Scottie to take more shots.

We all know and have seen Scottie's passing and court vision. It is a known quantity at this point in time.

If his scoring is developed and he is the guy with the ball in his hands as a focal point on offense...the passing and the assists will come.

I really do need to see him shooting the ball more though. I want him shooting at least 3 to 4 shots from mid range or the 3 point line per game. I don't care if he misses...but he needs the reps in game situations to get comfortable. If he is ever able to hit 1 to 2 three pointers a game...then you give him the ball and watch him dish to cutters or spot up shooters because at that point...he will demand double teams.

How is scottie gonna take more shots when he has og and fvv taking all the shots and Trent the black hole alongside him... nurse needs to hammer home some offensive principles on this yeam... some players need to be given specific roles... and told to only do certain things...

A guy like achiuwa at this point should be told just defend revoujd block shots and finish in the paint... that's it....

You act like he doesnt get the ball at all. Scottie has the ball in his hands as much as Jalen Green. He's taking 13.5 shot per game and that could easily climb to 15 from him just looking to score more.

[brownbobcat]

He was tied with Stoudamire for most points as a rookie. Stoudamire was very close to his fully developed game as a rookie. Scottie has no moves, no fakes, no offensive polish whatsoever. He's getting points on effort, smarts and absurd physical attributes.

I'd add touch and timing to that list of attributes, and those are actually quite hard to teach.

Yeah that touch is an example of polish.

I meant that he DOES have great touch/timing right now. He just doesn't have the intermediary moves/handles.

[bape_lovers]

Hopefully he can able to top Kawhi's year with us, just a beauty to watch Kawhi play live

Good read, thanks for sharing.

Scottie has been a treat to watch early on, and I think he has a chance to be one of the best Raptors to ever lace them up.

[Jcity08]

I was expecting to see more playmaking at this point to be honest, but his scoring and rebounding definitely blind-sided me. Supposedly he shows statistical promise as a future playmaker, which is encouraging if we really hope him and FVV to work as a duo. Them calling him a complimentary playmaker, however, does suggest they don't see him as a primary one either.

Only so much playmaking can be done with how much he has the ball in his hands. He’s shown some nice playmaking flashes and is averaging 2.6 APG (4 APG in the last 3 games). As he gets more comfortable he’ll show even more

Also more than half the plays Barnes creates, either our players whiff it or just shoot bricks. If all those passes were converted into buckets, he'd be averaging more.

His assist totals will climb eventually since he's a very willing passer and his IQ is off the charts as a rookie.

[NBA Sheady]

I'd add touch and timing to that list of attributes, and those are actually quite hard to teach.

Yeah that touch is an example of polish.

I meant that he DOES have great touch/timing right now. He just doesn't have the intermediary moves/handles.

100% agree.

He's going to be scary with fakes and counter-moves etc. He has a lot of flash to his game and it looks like he's currently reigning it in which says a ton about his character and coachability.

[brownbobcat]

100% agree.

He's going to be scary with fakes and counter-moves etc. He has a lot of flash to his game and it looks like he's currently reigning it in which says a ton about his character and coachability.

I haven't been this excited about a young player since Vince & McGrady. You can't teach that IQ, physical frame, vision, finishing, motor and he knows how to put it all together at the NBA level even with some glaring holes in his game.

Add the 3-ball, clean up the footwork, spend the summer with Rico Hines, work on the PnR and incorporate a few iso moves - the sky is the limit. I think his absolute floor is an Iguodala/Marion-level player, but better offensively. It's funny that out of everything, his D was somewhat overrated, but again, easy to improve because the main issue there seems to be footwork.

[CANsportsguru]

100% agree.

He's going to be scary with fakes and counter-moves etc. He has a lot of flash to his game and it looks like he's currently reigning it in which says a ton about his character and coachability.

I haven't been this excited about a young player since Vince & McGrady. You can't teach that IQ, physical frame, vision, finishing, motor and he knows how to put it all together at the NBA level even with some glaring holes in his game.

Add the 3-ball, clean up the footwork, spend the summer with Rico Hines, work on the PnR and incorporate a few iso moves - the sky is the limit.

Exactly he had attributes you just can't teach as well as what seems to be a very high basketball IQ. He also could develop more physically as he's only 20 and probably one of the strongest players in the league already. The post moves, shooting mechanics, footwork will all come in time.

[libertyYYZ]

With OG and Scottie getting reps, this team is going to be really good at getting paint touches to either score or spray out to shooters. With a healthy Pascal, there's enough talent to take turns putting wings and bigs in the washing machine. Scottie already has some spin-o-rama moves to go with the court vision.