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Should we rescue JV from the Pels?

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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#21 » by Psubs » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:18 pm

And1+2 wrote:Bandaid fix, at best. Just takes us further into treadmill territory.

We need a floor spacing 3+D centre, so patience. The rebuild will take time.


You do know that JV shoots 3's better than Barnes, Siakam, etc. He's a career 37.7% 3-pt shooter and this season is shooting over 50%. :reporter:

Boucher is french, send him to New Orleans. Dragic to Dallas. Whatever from Dallas send to New Orleans.

What about Dragic and 1st pick lottery protected for JV?
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#22 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:24 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:Unless is Dragic straight up. Nah


Throw in Boucher and/or other non core pieces. But even then would Pels do it?
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#23 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:28 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Unless is Dragic straight up. Nah


Throw in Boucher and/or other non core pieces. But even then would Pels do it?

Why would they?

They certainly would want a pick I would think.

But why would we want JV? We all know he is unplayable in important games anyways, so why bring him in?
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#24 » by WaltFrazier » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:38 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Unless is Dragic straight up. Nah


Throw in Boucher and/or other non core pieces. But even then would Pels do it?

Why would they?

They certainly would want a pick I would think.

But why would we want JV? We all know he is unplayable in important games anyways, so why bring him in?


Bring him in to take on opposing big C's in situations. Maybe his contract is too big to use just situationally like Bogut in the GSW dynasty, but someone like him like him would help.

Dare I say it, if Baynes would play like he did in Phx and Boston and not like in Tampa, he'd be that kind of veteran big to come in and bang for short stints, get defensive rebounds. Hypothetically of course. Theis maybe, someone like that who wouldn't require extended minutes.
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Post#25 » by Los_29 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:43 pm

JV would just get back to being a 20mpg player here. People need to realize the flaws in JV's game. It's easy to get fooled by his box score numbers but there is a reason why this guy was dealt for essentially nothing.
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Post#26 » by Bankai » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:04 pm

Los_29 wrote:JV would just get back to being a 20mpg player here. People need to realize the flaws in JV's game. It's easy to get fooled by his box score numbers but there is a reason why this guy was dealt for essentially nothing.


I wouldnt call, Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, and 2021 10th Pick Ziaire Williams, as nothing. Jonas is a good player, and while I think the Raptors problems stem from Offense, and not Defense. I really think some of you are blinded by preconceived notions and biases about Jonas during his time with the Raptors that isint true today. He is much better than some of the guys listed here, and continues to expand his game. He shoots a very good 3 point %, and his defensive rating last year was #8 in the entire NBA. Jonas is still misunderstood by the Raptor Board. But Jonas recently got extended so I believe that he is untradeable right now.

Jonas' raw and advanced numbers would indicate that he is currently playing at an All Star Level in the West, right now.
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#27 » by will » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:20 pm

Eh...YOnas putting up numbers on a terrible Pelicans squad.

Raps need that 5 man who can spread the floor. Don't see YOnas being that.
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#28 » by YogurtProducer » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:25 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:
Throw in Boucher and/or other non core pieces. But even then would Pels do it?

Why would they?

They certainly would want a pick I would think.

But why would we want JV? We all know he is unplayable in important games anyways, so why bring him in?


Bring him in to take on opposing big C's in situations. Maybe his contract is too big to use just situationally like Bogut in the GSW dynasty, but someone like him like him would help.

Dare I say it, if Baynes would play like he did in Phx and Boston and not like in Tampa, he'd be that kind of veteran big to come in and bang for short stints, get defensive rebounds. Hypothetically of course. Theis maybe, someone like that who wouldn't require extended minutes.

Yeah I suppose it would be nice... but we are not competing this year anyways so what is the point? We grab 2 extra wins this year which might actually hurt us in the lottery?

Baynes in theory was nice. But if we are grabbing a 7 footer he better be an all-nba defensive guy. Like a Gasol, or a Poeltl. No stiffs like JV that will just destroy our defence because here is the thing - we may be a better rebounding team but we are going to be a worse overall defensive team as the 7 footer gets exposed in the PnR alllllll game long.
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Post#29 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:42 pm

JV is currently shooting 51/58/90 while being the main offensive option. Just saying for those knocking his ability to space the floor. Curry who? :)
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#30 » by lobosloboslobos » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:43 pm

as everyone knows i am a huge JV fan but i don't think he fits with our future, even though he has improved in many ways since he left and is still a very valuable player. i just think the 2 things that are most central to our approach to the game going forward are foot speed and defensive instincts, and i think those are literally his two weakest things. Oh well. I sure hope he gets a chance to kick ass on a good team on a deep playoff run one day. heart of a champion that's for sure and the most clutch player this team ever had imo. even so, answer's no.
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#31 » by Johnny Bball » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:45 pm

Sure, as long as we realize we the same thing we did last time and we trade him away again in two three years when we are competing again. You aren't winning a title with JV as your starting centre in this league.
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#32 » by NotMyKawhi » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:51 pm

I will still argue to this day the Gasol trade wasn't the reason we won the championship. It didn't hurt our chances but it didn't help them as much as ppl make it seem. He did very little. Ppl will point, "oh he stoped vucevic" lol like we couldn't beat the magic lol

The truth? JV carried us for many playoffs while Lowry and DD struggled. That's the truth.
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#33 » by Hoodwink » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:53 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote:I will still argue to this day the Gasol trade wasn't the reason we won the championship. It didn't hurt our chances but it didn't help them as much as ppl make it seem. He did very little. Ppl will point, "oh he stoped vucevic" lol like we couldn't beat the magic lol

The truth? JV carried us for many playoffs while Lowry and DD struggled. That's the truth.


And how how do you explain the J0el Emb11d part?
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Post#34 » by NotMyKawhi » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:04 pm

Hoodwink wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:I will still argue to this day the Gasol trade wasn't the reason we won the championship. It didn't hurt our chances but it didn't help them as much as ppl make it seem. He did very little. Ppl will point, "oh he stoped vucevic" lol like we couldn't beat the magic lol

The truth? JV carried us for many playoffs while Lowry and DD struggled. That's the truth.


And how how do you explain the J0el Emb11d part?


JV has played good againt Embiid throughout his career. Stats are very similar.
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#35 » by Psubs » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:24 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote:
Hoodwink wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:I will still argue to this day the Gasol trade wasn't the reason we won the championship. It didn't hurt our chances but it didn't help them as much as ppl make it seem. He did very little. Ppl will point, "oh he stoped vucevic" lol like we couldn't beat the magic lol

The truth? JV carried us for many playoffs while Lowry and DD struggled. That's the truth.


And how how do you explain the J0el Emb11d part?


JV has played good againt Embiid throughout his career. Stats are very similar.


Gasol is a lot of the reason the Raptors came back from down 2-0 vs Giannis.
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Post#36 » by HumbleRen » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:33 pm

Psubs wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:
Hoodwink wrote:
And how how do you explain the J0el Emb11d part?


JV has played good againt Embiid throughout his career. Stats are very similar.


Gasol is a lot of the reason the Raptors came back from down 2-0 vs Giannis.


Also raised up the team's ball IQ with his playmaking ability lol. Our offence was super iso heavy before Gasol got traded here.
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Post#37 » by Courtside » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:39 pm

I'm a big fan of JV, but the way this team is planning to play going forward make him a very bad fit here. If he was happy sitting on the bench for 60 games a season and only seeing minutes against certain opponents, maybe, but that isn't fair to him and that still may not be a good use of our roster and salary.

Love the guy, but he will have to be saved from New Orleans by a different team. I kinda think he'd fit in Indiana alongside Sabonis, but even there, the ceiling for them would remain the same as it is now, so why? Perhaps if his next couple of years show extreme progress on defense some team may bring him in as their big guy ringer. Best of luck to him.
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Post#38 » by KL78192020 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:25 pm

If the goal is to win a few extra games and get a low play off seed sure. Looks like Masai is focused on long term growth and seeing what Precious can do.

For all his flaws, the team did miss Precious on the defensive end last night.
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Re: Should we rescue JV from the Pels? 

Post#39 » by mdenny » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:29 pm

Ref_from_hell wrote:Dude stop. We are trying to improve our defense, not make it worse



JV would get us a better regular season record....but he would be mostly unplayable in the playoffs.
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Post#40 » by Basketball_Jones » Sun Nov 14, 2021 8:30 pm

We need a first option. Bring him home and feed him 20 shots a game problem solved!
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