ImageImageImageImageImage

PG System and Usage Angst again

Moderators: DG88, niQ, Duffman100, tsherkin, Reeko, lebron stopper, HiJiNX, Morris_Shatford, 7 Footer

User avatar
Duffman100
Forum Mod - Raptors
Forum Mod - Raptors
Posts: 48,009
And1: 72,512
Joined: Jun 27, 2002
   

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#21 » by Duffman100 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:54 am

One pass, open 3.

One screen, open 3.
User avatar
normgod6
Junior
Posts: 482
And1: 767
Joined: Jul 05, 2019
   

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#22 » by normgod6 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:54 am

I know it was garbage time but Scottie just looks more alive and more energetic when we give him the ball and let him try to break down the defense. He was getting to the rim and drawing fouls in the late fourth there when he didn't have to defer to the vets. Its really frustrating to see him get iced out by chuckers like Gary Trent JR.
EFF3KT
Veteran
Posts: 2,650
And1: 2,777
Joined: Nov 05, 2008

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#23 » by EFF3KT » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:55 am

Barnes isn't going to get his touches playing alongside Pascal and FVV. Once OG is back, even less touches.
I never thought I'd say this but for the sake of Scottie's development, we need to move him to the bench so he can be our primary facilitator in our 2nd unit. We have enough of a sample size to see that Pascal and FVV have no intention to let Scottie playmake and just defer him to becoming a screener and dribble hand off man. A huge waste of his development time and potential.
We really saw Scottie's energy and confidence explode in the 2nd half, especially the 4th in garbage time where he was assertive. He looked lost on defense in the 1st half and became a passive floater on the offensive end. It was good to see that change in the 2nd half.
Starr1
General Manager
Posts: 8,341
And1: 6,025
Joined: Apr 25, 2015
     

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#24 » by Starr1 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:55 am

Nurse's system is just garbage to watch at this point. Not sure what we are trying to achieve defensively or offensively. Same story every game both on defense and offense except for teams that struggles to shoot open 3s against us.
User avatar
seanbig
RealGM
Posts: 10,527
And1: 3,921
Joined: Feb 12, 2005
Location: wrong side of canada for raps

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#25 » by seanbig » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:55 am

[gfycat][/gfycat]
DelAbbot wrote:someone tell Barnes to be more aggressive - he has been playing so timid since Siakam came back.


This was the knock on him that David Thorpe alluded to

Was he going to be aggressive or back off and not realize he’s the best player On The team?
Official 1,000,000 post crew
Raptor95,Seanbig,Spykelee,ClutchCarter,
aRapsFan4eva,Koz RJC, MAS, Slowlydrowningme,bigdub,GQstylin
User avatar
LJKO
RealGM
Posts: 14,506
And1: 16,437
Joined: Dec 20, 2014
 

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#26 » by LJKO » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:56 am

DelAbbot wrote:someone tell Barnes to be more aggressive - he has been playing so timid since Siakam came back.

I don't even fault Pascal for any of this and if anyone is to be blamed it Nurse. He wants Barnes to shoot more and camp behind the arc :crazy:
User avatar
Boogie!
RealGM
Posts: 67,510
And1: 56,857
Joined: Oct 27, 2005
Location: Ba da da da daaaaaa. If you build it, they will come!
Contact:
   

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#27 » by Boogie! » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:56 am

8
PushDaRock wrote:Seems like a broken record really but 20 more FG attempts than the Warriors and still lose by 15.


Something to be said for efficiency and ball movement...
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
User avatar
bakafool
RealGM
Posts: 10,839
And1: 4,651
Joined: Nov 03, 2005

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#28 » by bakafool » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:56 am

Fred. That's all.
Noooo!!! Not Possible! Not Possible! - Comcast commentator after the shot by Mo Peterson.
Tor_Raps
RealGM
Posts: 32,129
And1: 46,855
Joined: Oct 14, 2018

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#29 » by Tor_Raps » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:56 am

720 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Bright side... Barnes put up 10-13-5-2stls in a bad game. This kid is going to be special once he figures it out!

Once we make him the first option.


He doesn't even need to be the first option, just make him a damn option. Especially when he's got so many smaller guys guarding him in the post.
User avatar
Inevitable
RealGM
Posts: 44,482
And1: 134,644
Joined: Apr 22, 2006
Contact:
   

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#30 » by Inevitable » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:56 am

Against competent defenses you can kind of see our offense exposed as really one dimensional and the opposite of dynamic. On the other end, just like Ingles did last week Draymond had a field day shifting around our over reactive defense. Shutting Curry down is cool but what's the point when the other team get's really good looks. If they don't figure some things out this team will be firmly in the lottery again.
User avatar
jeffyjaixx
Veteran
Posts: 2,849
And1: 3,367
Joined: Feb 25, 2009
 

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#31 » by jeffyjaixx » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:56 am

Not even mad. Gets us one loss closer to a good pick next year. This core needs more young talent.
Image
User avatar
Boogie!
RealGM
Posts: 67,510
And1: 56,857
Joined: Oct 27, 2005
Location: Ba da da da daaaaaa. If you build it, they will come!
Contact:
   

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#32 » by Boogie! » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:57 am

EFF3KT wrote:Barnes isn't going to get his touches playing alongside Pascal and FVV. Once OG is back, even less touches.
I never thought I'd say this but for the sake of Scottie's development, we need to move him to the bench so he can be our primary facilitator in our 2nd unit. We have enough of a sample size to see that Pascal and FVV have no intention to let Scottie playmake and just defer him to becoming a screener and dribble hand off man. A huge waste of his development time and potential.
We really saw Scottie's energy and confidence explode in the 2nd half, especially the 4th in garbage time where he was assertive. He looked lost on defense in the 1st half and became a passive floater on the offensive end. It was good to see that change in the 2nd half.


Don't forget Trent. This systemxand chemistry is atrocious.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
tdotrep2
RealGM
Posts: 25,359
And1: 26,545
Joined: May 21, 2011
 

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#33 » by tdotrep2 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:57 am

will wrote:When does Nicky speed up Senior playing off the ball with the rock in Scottie's hands more often?

when senior allows it, its possible is we keep getting smacked but im not holding my breathe. dudes been waiting for the keys i dont think he gives them up
User avatar
JShuttlesworth
RealGM
Posts: 10,207
And1: 13,411
Joined: Dec 09, 2013
Location: Toronto
 

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#34 » by JShuttlesworth » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:57 am

Predictable L, nothing to see here.

Side Note #1 - Let Scottie bring the ball up when the game matters, not just as the end of the game. It's so frustrating to watch

Side Note #2 - The fact that we're 8-10 this year and were 7-11 at this time last year says something
will
RealGM
Posts: 52,083
And1: 50,740
Joined: Jan 08, 2006
Location: Pat's Homestyle Jamaican Restaurant. Shouts to Sheryl's Caribbean Cuisine
Contact:
         

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#35 » by will » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:57 am

Poole and Wiggins pushed the Raps wig back.
DelAbbot
RealGM
Posts: 15,272
And1: 21,723
Joined: May 22, 2019
   

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#36 » by DelAbbot » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:57 am

normgod6 wrote:I know it was garbage time but Scottie just looks more alive and more energetic when we give him the ball and let him try to break down the defense. He was getting to the rim and drawing fouls in the late fourth there when he didn't have to defer to the vets. Its really frustrating to see him get iced out by chuckers like Gary Trent JR.


GTJ

3-16 for 11, 0 assists in 28mins, -31
Tor_Raps
RealGM
Posts: 32,129
And1: 46,855
Joined: Oct 14, 2018

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#37 » by Tor_Raps » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:58 am

Duffman100 wrote:One pass, open 3.

One screen, open 3.


I can't get over how bad our defense is right now. Nurse needs to switch up our defensive game plan and end the pointless double teams. We double teamed Draymond a few times at the 3 point line ffs.
Ref_from_hell
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,778
And1: 6,712
Joined: Mar 13, 2021

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#38 » by Ref_from_hell » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:58 am

ImaBeatDatAzz wrote:tWo babyyyy. We goin for that top 10 pick


We can beat the grizzlies and Pacers.

Grizzlies just got pounded by 43 against the Timberwolves and the Pacers are pretty bad. I could see us being 500 before the Boston game.
User avatar
normgod6
Junior
Posts: 482
And1: 767
Joined: Jul 05, 2019
   

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#39 » by normgod6 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:59 am

Boogie! wrote:
EFF3KT wrote:Barnes isn't going to get his touches playing alongside Pascal and FVV. Once OG is back, even less touches.
I never thought I'd say this but for the sake of Scottie's development, we need to move him to the bench so he can be our primary facilitator in our 2nd unit. We have enough of a sample size to see that Pascal and FVV have no intention to let Scottie playmake and just defer him to becoming a screener and dribble hand off man. A huge waste of his development time and potential.
We really saw Scottie's energy and confidence explode in the 2nd half, especially the 4th in garbage time where he was assertive. He looked lost on defense in the 1st half and became a passive floater on the offensive end. It was good to see that change in the 2nd half.


Don't forget Trent. This systemxand chemistry is atrocious.

Gary Trent Jr might be my least favourite player on the team. He just plays such an annoying brand of basketball. He's only able to look for his own shot. He's made like 3 swing passes the entire season. He is either unable or unwilling to playmake for others. He's the type of player you would absolutely hate playing with. All me and no we.
User avatar
blastttOFF
General Manager
Posts: 7,828
And1: 8,849
Joined: Mar 13, 2007

Re: PG System and Usage Angst again 

Post#40 » by blastttOFF » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:59 am

Why do ppl want Barnes to shoot more. His iso numbers aren’t even that good.

It’s more realgm wanting him to get raw stats at this point for ROY

Return to Toronto Raptors