Trade Deadline Discussion & Rumours - Raptors and NBA

[mtcan]

When have we ever traded with the Celtics. The Celtics have a dearth of young bigs and are going to trade their only decent one and build around a 35 year old Hordford? Nah.

Kenny Anderson for Dee Brown and Eric Montross.

Alvin Williams was almost traded for Danny Fortson until someone failed a physical.

Brah we got Chauncey Billups for Kenny Anderson. One of the great Glen G heists. Billups didn't last long in Toronto but he was flipped for the #5 pick which was then flipped for Antonio Davis. Some decent business.

Oh ya...forgot that Chauncey was a Raptor...

And my mistake...it was Kenny Anderson, Zan Tabak and Popeye Jones for Chauncey, Dee Brown, Roy Rogers and John Thomas.

[PhilBlackson]

Actually not a fan of trying to get Williams.

I'm not big on offensively limited rim running, shotblocking Cs. They become tough to keep on the court end of game and provide very little offensively when things get tough in a Playoffs and only compound it and make it worse.

My own preference would be to make it a larger package to either get a borderline all-star type (Turner) - actually my least favorite of the other options or more preferably seeing if there isn't some combination of pick(s) to either catch a young player with star like potential (ie/ Hunter, Hali, Kuminga etc) from a team that may be just looking to trim salary OR maybe attach one of GT Jr or OG and attempt to get someone like Ingram, SGA or Fox etc.

But if we're not going to do any of that and we just want to get some depth and potential upgrade at C, I'd take a flyer on someone like Oneyka, Bamba or Jalen Smith instead, where they have some pretty good defensive tools but also more offensive upside. Guys like Williams or Poeltl have a limited ceiling and I don't think raise the team's ceiling all that much long or short term. Maybe if we can develop (Oneyka, Bamba, Smith etc) they can expand out and bring another dimension to the team but I don't think hustle, energy bigs are the answer.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

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[mtcan]

Actually not a fan of trying to get Williams.

I'm not big on offensively limited rim running, shotblocking Cs. They become tough to keep on the court end of game and provide very little offensively when things get tough in a Playoffs and only compound it and make it worse.

My own preference would be to make it a larger package to either get a borderline all-star type (Turner) or seeing if there isn't some combination of pick(s) to either catch a young player with star like potential (ie/ Hunter, Hali, Kuminga etc) from a team that may be just looking to trim salary OR maybe attach one of GT Jr or OG and attempt to get someone like Ingram, SGA or Fox.

But if we're not going to do any of that and we just want to get some depth and potential upgrade at C, I'd take a flyer on someone like Oneyka, Bamba or Jalen Smith instead, where they have some pretty good defensive tools but also more offensive upside. Guys like Williams or Poeltl have a limited ceiling and I don't think raise the team's ceiling all that much long or short term. Maybe if we can develop (Oneyka, Bamba etc) they can expand out and bring another dimension to the team but I don't think hustle, energy bigs are the answer.

I would like someone bigger than the dirth of 6'9" dudes we currently have on the roster to match up with the legit 7 footers of the league. That is why I prefer Purtle. He is a legit 7 footer that can bang with likes of Embiid, Jokic, etc. He has good hands, can rebound and is sound defensively. I also believe we can teach him to be a better shooter and expand his range...and of course he has natural chemistry with Pascal and Fred from the Bench Mob days...

[tecumseh18]

When have we ever traded with the Celtics. The Celtics have a dearth of young bigs and are going to trade their only decent one and build around a 35 year old Hordford? Nah.

Not to mention Williams is BYC because of the extention, and for practical purposes is untradeable this season (except to a team like OKC with tons of cap space).

[Kingsway_fan]

Nothing here
.. move along....

[WaltFrazier]

Great to have this thread so the same ideas from the Doug Smith thread and the Fisher thread can be repeated here

[Indeed]

I don't see why the Celtics would trade Robert Williams, he has a very nice 4/48 extension kicking in this off-season.

He is super injury prone though

Maybe they want to off load Horford. Even waiving Horford, that is ~14m, meaning that team will rely on young players (more likely a tanking team).

The Robert Williams rumor makes no sense. He is PPP. Virtually impossible to trade his contract.
I would be interested in Horford. He would be a perfect fit on our team.

Horford's contract next year, even waived, will limit us with vet min players. If we complain our bench (vet mins), then we really shouldn't get Horford. Horfod himself at 26m next year will likely making us a tax team.

[Dalek]

I think if we got Myles Turner for Dragic and a pick that is a homerun. I mean we don't really need him currently so he can be slow in his recovery. He can ramp up in March and April and be ready for the playoffs.

[Bobby Plump]

It's not realistic to expect that Dragic and a pick will return a player of Turner's calibre even with his foot injury which should be a concern.

[Badonkadonk]

It's not realistic to expect that Dragic and a pick will return a player of Turner's calibre even with his foot injury which should be a concern.

The quality of the player is a variable, but one of the things that makes a Dragic + pick scenario valuable is next year's cap situation. The Raps will be capped, but unlike this year, have significant room below the tax threshold (they're right up against it now). The team will definitely be interested in utilizing some of that 'space', given the only other avenue for veteran roster improvement is via MLE. If they can find a partner that is equally interested in shedding salary this season via Dragic (bonus if they're a playoff team), there'd be good synergy for a trade.

[WuTang_OG]

Too bad turner only locked up until end of next season.

Tough decision to give up a FRP in year 1
Of this rebuild

[douggood]

I think if we got Myles Turner for Dragic and a pick that is a homerun. I mean we don't really need him currently so he can be slow in his recovery. He can ramp up in March and April and be ready for the playoffs.

give me your closing 5? will nurse play him over GT, have OG be the sg? if not then i dont see the need for a such a big upgrade at C. healthy birch + achiuwa + barnes/OG/pascal/Boucher can get you the 48 min.

[Ell Curry]

Time Lord rumors make no sense. He would drive Raptors fans insane. And as discussed...he signed an extension so he isn't easily tradeable.

Dragic and Boucher for Horford and future 1st makes sense.

Celtics would be saving 26 million by shedding Horford's last season on contract for our expiring...so attaching the future first makes sense. I'd rather trade Khem Birch instead of Boucher personally...

This might work for the Celtics because if they do Richardson for Ingles and a protected first or something similar they'd have the cap space to sign Brunson or Tyus Jones to give them the PG they need.

Losing Boucher definitely much worse than Birch.

We could waive Horford and use the tax MLE or keep him and maybe squeeze under the tax by moving Birch and a 2nd rounder for a guy making 3M and sending cash to someone, or moving Flynn and keeping one roster spot empty maybe (not sure this is quite enough). Or keep Horford, start the season over the tax but move him at the deadline or in the summer for someone making 3M less to a team wanting a big expiring (I do think 2023 cap space will be far more valuable than 2022, so could definitely see Masai preferring a big expiring again to using the MLE and keeping Boucher if we can also get a first from it).

Ideally we find someone who wants Dragic to get capspace this year and get an asset for a bad 2022-23 deal and then do the same again next year, if Masai really is thinking "play-in for what"

[Ell Curry]

Maybe they want to off load Horford. Even waiving Horford, that is ~14m, meaning that team will rely on young players (more likely a tanking team).

The Robert Williams rumor makes no sense. He is PPP. Virtually impossible to trade his contract.
I would be interested in Horford. He would be a perfect fit on our team.

Horford's contract next year, even waived, will limit us with vet min players. If we complain our bench (vet mins), then we really shouldn't get Horford. Horfod himself at 26m next year will likely making us a tax team.

The only way it makes sense bench-wise is if we keep Horford, Birch goes out in the deal and we trade the Celtics pick for a cheap bench guy like Lu Dort, or we use the pick to trade up and get a ready made bench guy Johnny Davis.

[Indeed]

The Robert Williams rumor makes no sense. He is PPP. Virtually impossible to trade his contract.
I would be interested in Horford. He would be a perfect fit on our team.

Horford's contract next year, even waived, will limit us with vet min players. If we complain our bench (vet mins), then we really shouldn't get Horford. Horfod himself at 26m next year will likely making us a tax team.

The only way it makes sense bench-wise is if we keep Horford, Birch goes out in the deal and we trade the Celtics pick for a cheap bench guy like Lu Dort, or we use the pick to trade up and get a ready made bench guy Johnny Davis.

No way we pay Horford 26m. Even he is not another Dragic contract, he is no way near a 26m production player. I wouldn't give him Trent / OG contract in the 18m, let alone 26m which puts us over the tax.

Dort is in a rookie contract, and you are not getting Johnny Davis with the Celtics pick, even you get Davis, he may not be ready as you think. I don't think we will gamble on a pick and make upcoming FA like VanVleet or our core players feel we are not competing. Look at how the Celtics team look this year? You think they are a winning team?

[bluerap23]

Maybe they want to off load Horford. Even waiving Horford, that is ~14m, meaning that team will rely on young players (more likely a tanking team).

The Robert Williams rumor makes no sense. He is PPP. Virtually impossible to trade his contract.
I would be interested in Horford. He would be a perfect fit on our team.

Horford's contract next year, even waived, will limit us with vet min players. If we complain our bench (vet mins), then we really shouldn't get Horford. Horfod himself at 26m next year will likely making us a tax team.

Yeah, you're right. Had to look up Horford's contract. Didn't realize that it was 14.5 m guaranteed next year.

[chochamu]

I just read the Clippers are willing to move Bledsoe, Morris, or Ibaka for a playmaking PG. Can Dragic be used to bring Ibaka back?

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I think if we got Myles Turner for Dragic and a pick that is a homerun. I mean we don't really need him currently so he can be slow in his recovery. He can ramp up in March and April and be ready for the playoffs.

give me your closing 5? will nurse play him over GT, have OG be the sg? if not then i dont see the need for a such a big upgrade at C. healthy birch + achiuwa + barnes/OG/pascal/Boucher can get you the 48 min.

One side benefit is that if raps choose to move on from Trent next year and if there is an all star available you can combine his contract with turner to make salaries match.

[bstein14]

It's really hard to but a value on the Raptors first round pick. You're currently 8th but just 4.5 games out of 2nd place in the East and also just 3.5 games out of 12th place in the East. The East being so tight from 1-12 this year means the first rounders traded off have more of a boom/bust potential.

I'm assuming Toronto would want to put lottery protection on the pick but the pick not being lottery protected might have the most trade appeal, much like when Chicago traded a lightly protected first rounder to Orlando last season.

Dragic + 1st is certainly an interesting combination of expiring + a future asset it'll be interesting to see if Toronto does move that package for a piece or pieces to help them win now.