2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[dukes_wild]

The interesting thing with Ayton is that he doesn't appear to be super important for the Suns in terms of impact. During Ayton's injury they were undefeated with Biyombo as a starter. Pretty sure their win % is about the same with McGee starting as Ayton starting as well

Obviously there's context behind that, but the Suns are a very perimeter oriented team and you could argue that all they really need from their starting 5 is someone to set screens, roll, catch lobs and rebound

But yeah I don't see them trading him. Would be a weird move to trade what is basically a core piece when you're playing this well

[twoheadedboy]

If the Wolves are moving KAT then they're reloading around Edwards and to me there is no way they consider Toronto unless a package around Scottie is coming back. Any other offer and the Raptors get outbid imo. Would I do Scottie + pick(s) + filler for KAT? With the way Siakam and FVV have been playing it's definitely something I would think about - assuming we keep OG and Gary too. Wolves are doing OK for now though so I don't see KAT being available any time soon.

[Madhouse]

If the Wolves are moving KAT then they're reloading around Edwards and to me there is no way they consider Toronto unless a package around Scottie is coming back. Any other offer and the Raptors get outbid imo. Would I do Scottie + pick(s) + filler for KAT? With the way Siakam and FVV have been playing it's definitely something I would think about - assuming we keep OG and Gary too. Wolves are doing OK for now though so I don't see KAT being available any time soon.

Edwards and Barnes would be deadly in 2 years, I can't lie.

[Lateral Quicks]

Wolves are finally decent again and KAT is only 26 with 2.5 years left on his contract. I'm not up to speed on rumours, but I don't see why they'd want to trade him. He can be really good for another decade.

He's one of the few players in the league I'd think long and hard about including Barnes in a package for, and I'm very high on Barnes.

[StopitLeo]

Wolves are finally decent again and KAT is only 26 with 2.5 years left on his contract. I'm not up to speed on rumours, but I don't see why they'd want to trade him. He can be really good for another decade.

He's one of the few players in the league I'd think long and hard about including Barnes in a package for, and I'm very high on Barnes.

I don’t think there are any KAT rumors. His name just came up after suggestions about Ayton.

I agree with the previous suggestion that moving either would probably happen in the off-season, if at all.

[Ell Curry]

My mind has wandered back to Patrick Williams. Wonder if something like this could work:

Raptors - Pat Williams, Derrick Jones Jr.
Bulls - Jerami Grant,
Pistons - Dragic, lotto protected first rounders from Chicago and from Toronto

if we like him more than the Pistons and they just want firsts to build for far enough into the future and keep tanking until Cade is ready to compete. We'd have about 22-23M left under the tax to keep Boucher AND sign a guard with the 10.1M MLE this summer. Or it's a 4 way deal and Derrick Jones Jr goes to say the Knicks with a 2nd and we get Alec Burks or something like that if we don't think the MLE will bring us much (or will require a 3 year deal for a guy we don't want to give that long a deal to).

[tecumseh18]

Obviously there's context behind that, but the Suns are a very perimeter oriented team and you could argue that all they really need from their starting 5 is someone to set screens, roll, catch lobs and rebound

This is pretty much every team in the modern NBA, unless they happen to have one of the two or three unicorns. "It's a guard's league."

There is no justification for investing heavy draft/player assets to bring in a "legit C". A second rounder for a Nurkic-level guy sounds about right.

[Dalek]

I am putting in my final proposal for the trade deadline and it is a Dragic blockbuster:

Toronto gets:
Mike Muscala
Ty Jerome
Kenrich Williams

OKC gets:
2022 FRP top five protected
Dragic
Flynn
Svi (the return to OKC)
Bonga

Toronto fills out their bench with high IQ, top notch defenders:

FVV
Trent Jr
OG
Siakam
Barnes

Banton
Jerome
Williams
Boucher
Muscala

It is hard to give up a first, but getting the rights to Williams and Jerome make it worth it. With the savings we can re-sign Champagnie and/or Johnson.

[tecumseh18]

Hmm, Nate throws Bogdan under the bus in the PG presser (at 0.33):

Watch on YouTube

I mean, ATL wouldn't have even been in the game without his shooting in the first half. Not the sort of thing you say about one of your players if you expect him to be around after the trade deadline.

[dukes_wild]

I am putting in my final proposal for the trade deadline and it is a Dragic blockbuster:

Toronto gets:
Mike Muscala
Ty Jerome
Kenrich Williams

OKC gets:
2022 FRP top five protected
Dragic
Flynn
Svi (the return to OKC)
Bonga

Toronto fills out their bench with high IQ, top notch defenders:

FVV
Trent Jr
OG
Siakam
Barnes

Banton
Jerome
Williams
Boucher
Muscala

It is hard to give up a first, but getting the rights to Williams and Jerome make it worth it. With the savings we can re-sign Champagnie and/or Johnson.

While I am a fan of Kenrich Williams and Mike Muscala as depth guys, in no world do you give up a first round pick for them.

[tecumseh18]

I am putting in my final proposal for the trade deadline and it is a Dragic blockbuster:

Toronto gets:
Mike Muscala
Ty Jerome
Kenrich Williams

OKC gets:
2022 FRP top five protected
Dragic
Flynn
Svi (the return to OKC)
Bonga

Toronto fills out their bench with high IQ, top notch defenders:

FVV
Trent Jr
OG
Siakam
Barnes

Banton
Jerome
Williams
Boucher
Muscala

It is hard to give up a first, but getting the rights to Williams and Jerome make it worth it. With the savings we can re-sign Champagnie and/or Johnson.

While I am a fan of Kenrich Williams and Mike Muscala as depth guys, in no world do you give up a first round pick for them.

Yeah, definitely a PJ Tucker-esque two second-rounders type deal.

[dukes_wild]

Hmm, Nate throws Bogdan under the bus in the PG presser (at 0.33):

Watch on YouTube

I mean, ATL wouldn't have even been in the game without his shooting in the first half. Not the sort of thing you say about one of your players if you expect him to be around after the trade deadline.

I don't like that he specifically brought up Bogi but I wouldn't dig too deep into that. I think it was just Nate being super candid and specific about the play rather than intentionally throwing him under the bus

I would gladly take Bogi off their hands though. Out of all the available players this deadline that we can realistically add with the assets we have available to trade, Bogdan is probably THE BEST guy available in terms of fit and need

[twoheadedboy]

Personally I'm not a fan of shaking up the starting line-up, I'd rather they ride it out and see what this team looks like in the playoffs then re-evaluate in the summer. A bigger, situational backup C and a bench gunner who can do a little bit of playmaking would be nice without giving up too much.

I saw a Jazz fan offer Clarkson + Whiteside + 2 2nds for Dragic + Bonga on the T&T board. Not a fan of Whiteside but I like Clarkson as a 6th man target, he can do a bit of everything and he's comfortable with a bench role. His shooting and defense has regressed this season, but I believe he can turn it back around under Nurse. Whiteside is expiring and I think Clarkson's contract would be fairly easy to move in the future, plus the Raptors get 2 2nds.

[Los_29]

I am putting in my final proposal for the trade deadline and it is a Dragic blockbuster:

Toronto gets:
Mike Muscala
Ty Jerome
Kenrich Williams

OKC gets:
2022 FRP top five protected
Dragic
Flynn
Svi (the return to OKC)
Bonga

Toronto fills out their bench with high IQ, top notch defenders:

FVV
Trent Jr
OG
Siakam
Barnes

Banton
Jerome
Williams
Boucher
Muscala

It is hard to give up a first, but getting the rights to Williams and Jerome make it worth it. With the savings we can re-sign Champagnie and/or Johnson.

Stop it.

[Rodrickle]

I am putting in my final proposal for the trade deadline and it is a Dragic blockbuster:

Toronto gets:
Mike Muscala
Ty Jerome
Kenrich Williams

OKC gets:
2022 FRP top five protected
Dragic
Flynn
Svi (the return to OKC)
Bonga

Toronto fills out their bench with high IQ, top notch defenders:

FVV
Trent Jr
OG
Siakam
Barnes

Banton
Jerome
Williams
Boucher
Muscala

It is hard to give up a first, but getting the rights to Williams and Jerome make it worth it. With the savings we can re-sign Champagnie and/or Johnson.

Stop it.

wtf, that's not a bad trade at all, but would prefer trading a 2023 1st. Theyre all good bench players. Williams would definitely make our playoff rotation.

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[DreamTeam09]

Personally I'm not a fan of shaking up the starting line-up, I'd rather they ride it out and see what this team looks like in the playoffs then re-evaluate in the summer. A bigger, situational backup C and a bench gunner who can do a little bit of playmaking would be nice without giving up too much.

I saw a Jazz fan offer Clarkson + Whiteside + 2 2nds for Dragic + Bonga on the T&T board. Not a fan of Whiteside but I like Clarkson as a 6th man target, he can do a bit of everything and he's comfortable with a bench role. His shooting and defense has regressed this season, but I believe he can turn it back around under Nurse. Whiteside is expiring and I think Clarkson's contract would be fairly easy to move in the future, plus the Raptors get 2 2nds.

That would be a steal for Toronto. Clarkson is the exact type of bench player we need. Good/streaky enough to steal a quarter or game for us in the playoffs, not good enough to pout when he gets benched for poor play.

The 2nds gives us more ammo to deal in the future

[Los_29]

I am putting in my final proposal for the trade deadline and it is a Dragic blockbuster:

Toronto gets:
Mike Muscala
Ty Jerome
Kenrich Williams

OKC gets:
2022 FRP top five protected
Dragic
Flynn
Svi (the return to OKC)
Bonga

Toronto fills out their bench with high IQ, top notch defenders:

FVV
Trent Jr
OG
Siakam
Barnes

Banton
Jerome
Williams
Boucher
Muscala

It is hard to give up a first, but getting the rights to Williams and Jerome make it worth it. With the savings we can re-sign Champagnie and/or Johnson.

Stop it.

wtf, that's not a bad trade at all, but would prefer trading a 2023 1st. Theyre all good bench players. Williams would definitely make our playoff rotation.

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It's a waste of assets to only get the bench pieces from one of the worst teams in the league. We can do way better. Literally way better. It's so bad that it's honestly a fireable offense. Top 5 protected pick.

[Dalek]

I am putting in my final proposal for the trade deadline and it is a Dragic blockbuster:

Toronto gets:
Mike Muscala
Ty Jerome
Kenrich Williams

OKC gets:
2022 FRP top five protected
Dragic
Flynn
Svi (the return to OKC)
Bonga

Toronto fills out their bench with high IQ, top notch defenders:

FVV
Trent Jr
OG
Siakam
Barnes

Banton
Jerome
Williams
Boucher
Muscala

It is hard to give up a first, but getting the rights to Williams and Jerome make it worth it. With the savings we can re-sign Champagnie and/or Johnson.

While I am a fan of Kenrich Williams and Mike Muscala as depth guys, in no world do you give up a first round pick for them.

I guess other people feel like that to about the first round pick. I just think the pick will be in the 20s so why not add three extremely solid bench players which are on small contracts that you can add to your core group on a reasonable scale. Jerome is 24 and Williams 27 even Muscala is not even old. Williams and Muscala are not even fully guaranteed so we have tons of flexibility even in future trades in the offseason.

I also think we don't have any more development room. We have Achuiwa, Banton, Barnes, Champagnie, Johnson, Flynn and Harris (if he is reinstated). I don't see the need to add another development prospect which is why I would burn the pick.

[Rodrickle]

Stop it.

wtf, that's not a bad trade at all, but would prefer trading a 2023 1st. Theyre all good bench players. Williams would definitely make our playoff rotation.

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It's a waste of assets to only get the bench pieces from one of the worst teams in the league. We can do way better. Literally way better. It's so bad that it's honestly a fireable offense. Top 5 protected pick.

Yeah it should be lottery protected. our 2023 first would be better. Would likely be in the 20s based on our trajectory. Were not likely getting a difference maker that can contribute right away at that draft spot. Kenrich Williams is a really good 3&D player. Muscala can shoot it really well and isnt a horrible defender. Their contracts are bargains too.

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[Dalek]

Stop it.

wtf, that's not a bad trade at all, but would prefer trading a 2023 1st. Theyre all good bench players. Williams would definitely make our playoff rotation.

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It's a waste of assets to only get the bench pieces from one of the worst teams in the league. We can do way better. Literally way better. It's so bad that it's honestly a fireable offense. Top 5 protected pick.

What difference does it make if it is a bad team? OKC has excellent defense for a "bad" team, and Muscala and Williams rate out well, while both shoot well from three (37% and 42% from three). Jerome is pretty neutral, but I have liked this kid since his college days. He is a solid player VanVleet like player.

Maybe the pick could be top 15 protected, but what does it matter. I can't see Toronto falling off to lottery level this year.

To me you get two controllable young players and a veteran shooter that is over 40% from three for his career. Basically he is the bargain basement Gallinari without the injuries plus young players who can contribute to add with it.