Windhorst - "Sixers wouldn't give up Maxey"

[dgr81]

you have to remember maxey would have been in the raptors development program. he would be even better than he is now.

[sca]

Maxey is a substantially better asset than Achiuwa and has true star potential unlike him, who’s getting a little bit overrated in this board recently.

[JB7]

A non-deal that probably worked out best for all.

After going with the 6 foot backcourt of Lowry and FVV, Masai was clearly wanting to get bigger in their lineup, so Maxey wouldn’t have been a great fit for the Raps, and wouldn’t have had the opportunity he has had in Philly, with Simmons sitting out the year. He easily is the one who benefited the most from Simmons sitting out.

And Precious lately has really turned it around, and is looking like a key piece for the Raps future. A big who can guard anyone, handle the ball, and now adding outside range. As his confidence builds, so will his game.

Lowry clearly wanted to get paid and any trade at the deadline would have meant his pay day would be tied to another team (bird rights) that had less invested in him. No way Morey was paying him $30M a year for 3 years, when they still had Harris’ deal on their books.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

All the reports said nobody was offering anything of value for Kyle. People crying about Masai not trading him were missing the point- it was the other teams, Philly, Miami, and LA, who gave up a shot at a title last year.

Maxey is a nice scorer but he’s tiny and can’t defend a lick. The Raps are about to ruin that kid.

[everdiso]

Oh I don't know about that one, chief...

Really? How so?

I mean, I don't want to get into all the stats and all that on a sunny Saturday morning before a big game, but I think it's fair to say the majority of NBA fans right now would give Maxey the upper hand if they were asked. I'm talking about as things currently stand today. 3 and 5 years down the line, who knows.

Without getting too much into the weeds as you say the basic synopsis would go something like....

Maxey: fast but small scorer who can break down his man easily and shoot from outside (though surprisingly low volume for some reason?) without much more dimension to his offensive game and an outright defensive liability.

Achiuwa: physical specimen that can guard all 5 positions at a shockingly high level and has suddenly shown the ability to be a 40% catch and shoot 3pt threat at high volume while being able to put the ball on the floor as well, though with terrible finish around the rim for some reason.


For a glimpse of his upside as a starter you can look at his last two games against your 76ers where he plays ~37mpg and scored 20.5pts while playing great matchup one on one D on both Embiid and Harden.

[PerfectJab]

I thought we wanted both Thybulle and Maxey and that was the sticking point. It was one or the other but not both.

Hindsight being 20/20, a Fred, Gary and Maxey backcourt would be pretty good. Especially with the tertiary playmaking of Pascal and Scottie.

However, as individual players, I think Precious has more potential than Maxey and will ultimately contribute more to the success of the team.

Precious over Maxey? I think you're overrating Precious a little. Any other team, Precious would be getting less than 20 mins per game. Speaks volumes to the Raptor's coaching staff getting the most out of their players but let's not pretend there isn't a talent disparity between the two.

Precious has more potential than Maxey... seriously?

[Los_29]

Oh I don't know about that one, chief...

Really? How so?

I mean, I don't want to get into all the stats and all that on a sunny Saturday morning before a big game, but I think it's fair to say the majority of NBA fans right now would give Maxey the upper hand if they were asked. I'm talking about as things currently stand today. 3 and 5 years down the line, who knows.

That’s why I said potential not who is better now. I don’t think you’d find many people around the league that would say Maxey has a higher ceiling than Precious.

[everdiso]

Maxey is a substantially better asset than Achiuwa and has true star potential unlike him, who’s getting a little bit overrated in this board recently.

I dunno the fact that people are throwing out "star potential" so freely for a guy like Maxey makes me think he's the one being overrated.

[SFour]

people actually believed the reports that Masai was asking for 2 first round picks on top of maxey or thybulle....that was a ridiculous rumor I bet Morey started that so his fans wouldn't be mad at him passing up on Lowry.

[everdiso]

you have to remember maxey would have been in the raptors development program. he would be even better than he is now.

Or he'd be struggling to get minutes here because he can't play D.

[everdiso]

2020 draft

#20 MIA Achiuwa
#21 PHI Maxey

Whose drafting do you trust more MIA or PHI?

[ruckus]

I thought we wanted both Thybulle and Maxey and that was the sticking point. It was one or the other but not both.

Hindsight being 20/20, a Fred, Gary and Maxey backcourt would be pretty good. Especially with the tertiary playmaking of Pascal and Scottie.

However, as individual players, I think Precious has more potential than Maxey and will ultimately contribute more to the success of the team.

Precious over Maxey? I think you're overrating Precious a little. Any other team, Precious would be getting less than 20 mins per game. Speaks volumes to the Raptor's coaching staff getting the most out of their players but let's not pretend there isn't a talent disparity between the two.

Precious has more potential than Maxey... seriously?

I watch Maxey and I see shades of Fred/Sexton maybe Lowry when he hits his ceiling.

Precious? I don't know yet. How many guys his size guard the way he does and shoot from outside like he does? He could end up being a high-level role player or he could end up being an all-defense candidate or he may end up neither and just be a poor man's Ibaka.

Its not to say that Maxey can't exceed the Fred ceiling but thats what I see right now. Precious is more of a mystery box at this point.

[Dennis 37]

It all worked out in the end. We got Achiuwa who I think has more potential than Maxey. But wow, Sixers could've won a title last year with Lowry.

Oh I don't know about that one, chief...

They are different players playing different roles. Precious fits what we do. Maxey is 6 foot 2. We do as little 6 foot 2 as possible. We want as many of our shooters to shoot over players as possible. Does Maxey have the potential to be 6'8, 6'9?

Unless we are looking at a Trae Young potential 6"2, I'll take Precious.

[Los_29]

Maxey is a substantially better asset than Achiuwa and has true star potential unlike him, who’s getting a little bit overrated in this board recently.

You need to be able to defend and/or distribute if you're an undersized guard. Maxey does neither.

[Dennis 37]

I thought we wanted both Thybulle and Maxey and that was the sticking point. It was one or the other but not both.

Hindsight being 20/20, a Fred, Gary and Maxey backcourt would be pretty good. Especially with the tertiary playmaking of Pascal and Scottie.

However, as individual players, I think Precious has more potential than Maxey and will ultimately contribute more to the success of the team.

Precious over Maxey? I think you're overrating Precious a little. Any other team, Precious would be getting less than 20 mins per game. Speaks volumes to the Raptor's coaching staff getting the most out of their players but let's not pretend there isn't a talent disparity between the two.

Precious has more potential than Maxey... seriously?

I watch Maxey and I see shades of Fred/Sexton maybe Lowry when he hits his ceiling.

Precious? I don't know yet. How many guys his size guard the way he does and shoot from outside like he does? He could end up being a high-level role player or he could end up being an all-defense candidate or he may end up neither and just be a poor man's Ibaka.

Its not to say that Maxey can't exceed the Fred ceiling but thats what I see right now. Precious is more of a mystery box at this point.

Raptors are all about mystery boxes. We can't attract top FA, and rarely have a shot at the top 4 picks in the draft, so we have to hit home runs out of mystery boxes if we are to be successful.

[PerfectJab]

I thought we wanted both Thybulle and Maxey and that was the sticking point. It was one or the other but not both.

Hindsight being 20/20, a Fred, Gary and Maxey backcourt would be pretty good. Especially with the tertiary playmaking of Pascal and Scottie.

However, as individual players, I think Precious has more potential than Maxey and will ultimately contribute more to the success of the team.

Precious over Maxey? I think you're overrating Precious a little. Any other team, Precious would be getting less than 20 mins per game. Speaks volumes to the Raptor's coaching staff getting the most out of their players but let's not pretend there isn't a talent disparity between the two.

Precious has more potential than Maxey... seriously?

I watch Maxey and I see shades of Fred/Sexton maybe Lowry when he hits his ceiling.

Precious? I don't know yet. How many guys his size guard the way he does and shoot from outside like he does? He could end up being a high-level role player or he could end up being an all-defense candidate or he may end up neither and just be a poor man's Ibaka.

Its not to say that Maxey can't exceed the Fred ceiling but thats what I see right now. Precious is more of a mystery box at this point.

He's better defensively, I'll give you that but on the offensive end I'd argue he's already better than Fred at this point. I don't think he'll ever be as good as a defender as FVV though, not to mention leadership qualities.

Maxey can really create his own shot. I think he has the potential to be one of the better offensive players in this league and if we are going on value, or returns if they are to be traded, I really don't think Precious will ever hit his level. Precious has potential to become a very good role player, Maxey has potential to be an allstar.

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[Los_29]

Precious over Maxey? I think you're overrating Precious a little. Any other team, Precious would be getting less than 20 mins per game. Speaks volumes to the Raptor's coaching staff getting the most out of their players but let's not pretend there isn't a talent disparity between the two.

Precious has more potential than Maxey... seriously?

I watch Maxey and I see shades of Fred/Sexton maybe Lowry when he hits his ceiling.

Precious? I don't know yet. How many guys his size guard the way he does and shoot from outside like he does? He could end up being a high-level role player or he could end up being an all-defense candidate or he may end up neither and just be a poor man's Ibaka.

Its not to say that Maxey can't exceed the Fred ceiling but thats what I see right now. Precious is more of a mystery box at this point.

He's better defensively, I'll give you that but on the offensive end I'd argue he's already better than Fred at this point. I don't think he'll ever be as good as a defender as FVV though, not to mention leadership qualities.

Maxey can really create his own shot. I think he has the potential to be one of the better offensive players in this league and if we are going on value, or returns if they are to be traded, I really don't think Precious will ever hit his level. Precious has potential to become a very good role player, Maxey has potential to be an allstar.

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I think the reason why people think Precious has more potential is his athleticism, size, defense and his developing three point shooting. Maxey's potential is limited due to his size, inability to defend and run an offense. He's an undersized shooting guard that can't defend. That's often a recipe for disaster. NBA executives will take a guy like Precious over someone like Maxey for these reasons.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

So many different rumours on this. What was the actual trade proposal from Philly then because I thought the Sixers initially refused to include Thybulle?

Maxey was there from the beginning though as one of the pieces rumoured to be someone the Raptors would be looking for. him or Thybulle definitely.

i think they could have kept Seth Curry if the trade was for Lowry and Maxey/Thybulle + Simmons etc. which, imho, be a better fit around Embiid. but star power is star power and we will see if Harden still has his star power this series.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Oh I don't know about that one, chief...

Really? How so?

I mean, I don't want to get into all the stats and all that on a sunny Saturday morning before a big game, but I think it's fair to say the majority of NBA fans right now would give Maxey the upper hand if they were asked. I'm talking about as things currently stand today. 3 and 5 years down the line, who knows.

I'm sure that's what the majority of nba fans would say but game is played on both sides of the court and achiuwa is already elite on one side and his offense continues to improve. i like maxey but i feel a player like him is more gettable than a player like achiuwa.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

A non-deal that probably worked out best for all.

After going with the 6 foot backcourt of Lowry and FVV, Masai was clearly wanting to get bigger in their lineup, so Maxey wouldn’t have been a great fit for the Raps, and wouldn’t have had the opportunity he has had in Philly, with Simmons sitting out the year. He easily is the one who benefited the most from Simmons sitting out.

And Precious lately has really turned it around, and is looking like a key piece for the Raps future. A big who can guard anyone, handle the ball, and now adding outside range. As his confidence builds, so will his game.

Lowry clearly wanted to get paid and any trade at the deadline would have meant his pay day would be tied to another team (bird rights) that had less invested in him. No way Morey was paying him $30M a year for 3 years, when they still had Harris’ deal on their books.

this is a big thing that never gets mentioned. I truly believe Morey balked when hearing about Lowry's ask in a new contract and that was a big part of why he chose to walk away.