Justin Champagnie: "Free me"

[LoveMyRaps]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Exactly. Casey utilized his young guys, which led to the formation of the Bench Mob, and all of those guys turned out to be good/great players. If Nurse was the coach for Pascal's rookie year, there's no chance he would've played Pascal 15mpg like Casey did.

[kj_]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Raptors are seen as one the best development teams in the league.

“Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys.”




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[Tor_Raps]

People are willing to sacrifice when they're winning but when they're losing, this BS that Nurse is doing will not be accepted. Let's see how strong our culture really is now.

When Nurse puts in guys from the bench not named Gary Trent, our opponents tend to go on big runs immediately.

So then Masai has failed at his job to provide Nurse with nba talent after Trent? How much leash have these players even been given?

Banton and Flynn have played alright but get no consistent minutes to learn and grow. Not everyone is going to be a superstar like Fred lol. We're a .500 team right now... just develop players while not burning our your main guys.

[PhilBlackson]

Free him to go be cut by another team lol

[Fairview4Life]

People are willing to sacrifice when they're winning but when they're losing, this BS that Nurse is doing will not be accepted. Let's see how strong our culture really is now.

When Nurse puts in guys from the bench not named Gary Trent, our opponents tend to go on big runs immediately.

So then Masai has failed at his job to provide Nurse with nba talent after Trent? How much leash have these players even been given?

Banton and Flynn have played alright but get no consistent minutes to learn and grow. Not everyone is going to be a superstar like Fred lol. We're a .500 team right now... just develop players while not burning our your main guys.

The bench hasn't been very good this season. Both due to injury and due to guys not stepping up when called upon.

At the same time it wouldn't be a big issue if our starters also hadn't begun to miss all of their threes.

[OakleyDokely]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Raptors are seen as one the best development teams in the league.

“Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys.”




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The Raptors literally have the rookie of the year from last season, someone who wasn't supposed to come anywhere near the award.

[Tor_Raps]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Raptors are seen as one the best development teams in the league.

“Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys.”




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How many guys have developed under Nurse? Fred/Siakam/OG were all given minutes early in their careers when they weren't even that good under Casey.

If Nurse was the coach then, these guys probably wouldn't have even gotten a chance to play through their early career struggles. He needs to be better in this aspect or we need to point out that Masai has failed with half of the roster not being nba calibre. Which is it?

[LoveMyRaps]

No one on the bench even celebrates. They're all upset. When they see a guy having 4/20 shooting nights on a consistent bases and still getting played 40+ minutes by the coach, they have every right to be pissed.

Nurse truly is Thibs 2.0

I understand what you are saying, but at the same time the Raptors have terrible guard options behind VanVleet/Trent Jr.

Banton
Flynn
Dowtin
Harper Jr.

Yuck.

I don't think Banton is a terrible option. He put up 27pts/4r/4a/3s/2b in his first start (had 14pts in 13 min the game before). He got injured after that memorable first start, and he's been in Nurse's doghouse since. Kid was getting better and better, and showing flashes of a really good point guard, Nurse just killed his confidence and momentum.

When he finally got an opportunity to play again (against the Pels), he put up 7p/4a/3r/2s in only 9 minutes and had BY FAR the best +/- rating on the team (+8 in a game where lost by 18)! How did Nurse reward him??? With a DNP the next game, in the same game where Fred shot 4/14 (1/7 from three) and still played a team high 41 minutes. Fred had more fouls than FGM How do you think Banton felt in that moment? He got DNP'd a couple more times after that and has been in Nurse's doghouse since.

[Tor_Raps]

When Nurse puts in guys from the bench not named Gary Trent, our opponents tend to go on big runs immediately.

So then Masai has failed at his job to provide Nurse with nba talent after Trent? How much leash have these players even been given?

Banton and Flynn have played alright but get no consistent minutes to learn and grow. Not everyone is going to be a superstar like Fred lol. We're a .500 team right now... just develop players while not burning our your main guys.

The bench hasn't been very good this season. Both due to injury and due to guys not stepping up when called upon.

At the same time it wouldn't be a big issue if our starters also hadn't begun to miss all of their threes.

Ok so you're saying Masai hasn't provided Nurse nba level players. Just want to know which side of the issue you're on here.

I agree that our starters sucking is a big reason for this but Nurse has also been running some of these guys into the ground with their high usage.

[Sandman88]

He ain’t wrong. He deserves a chance. What’s there to lose at this point?

[Raptors Realtor]

No one on the bench even celebrates. They're all upset. When they see a guy having 4/20 shooting nights on a consistent bases and still getting played 40+ minutes by the coach, they have every right to be pissed.

Nurse truly is Thibs 2.0

Ugh why cause Nurse plays his starters big minutes? The comparison ends there, Thibs plays his starters big minutes, but has a record of 81-81 with the Knicks, while Nurse has a record of 195-131 and is top 5 in wins over that span... If Nurse was ever fired as suggested by some on this board, he'd be hired by another team the next day.

[Fairview4Life]

So then Masai has failed at his job to provide Nurse with nba talent after Trent? How much leash have these players even been given?

Banton and Flynn have played alright but get no consistent minutes to learn and grow. Not everyone is going to be a superstar like Fred lol. We're a .500 team right now... just develop players while not burning our your main guys.

The bench hasn't been very good this season. Both due to injury and due to guys not stepping up when called upon.

At the same time it wouldn't be a big issue if our starters also hadn't begun to miss all of their threes.

Ok so you're saying Masai hasn't provided Nurse nba level players. Just want to know which side of the issue you're on here.

I agree that our starters sucking is a big reason for this but Nurse has also been running some of these guys into the ground with their high usage.

A bunch of them are NBA level players, and have been in the past, but they have not played well this year, or else they've been hurt. We can survive those things if our starters hadn't also been missing their 3's. We have ended up with a combo of bad shooting from our starters, injured primary bench guys, and poor play from lower down the line bench guys. Like if OG was healthy, GTJ comes off the bench and he seems to do well there. Precious was very good for us last year, although hasn't been great this year, but he's another NBA body that we have been missing that we should be able to plugin without being run off the court.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The Raptors will probably cut him at some point this season and then he'll end up on a different gleague team.

[pingpongrac]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Exactly. Casey utilized his young guys, which led to the formation of the Bench Mob, and all of those guys turned out to be good/great players. If Nurse was the coach for Pascal's rookie year, there's no chance he would've played Pascal 15mpg like Casey did.

Nurse has literally been starting Koloko half of the games so far this season and giving him 16.5 MPG. Koloko in his rookie year is very comparable to a young Siakam, who in his rookie year was playing 16.8 MPG until the trade deadline (when we acquired Ibaka and Tucker) then played a total of 53 minutes in the last 25 games with most of those minutes coming in the season finale. Their production is very similar too; Koloko is putting up 8.2/7.5/1.0 with almost 3 blocks per36 on 50 TS% and a -4.7 BPM (413th out of 487) while Siakam put up 9.6/7.8/0.7 with 1 steal and 2 blocks per36 on 52 TS% and a (323rd of 486).

Nurse was also playing Banton 13 MPG in the first 2 months despite being a mid-2nd round rookie last season while Scottie was 11th in total minutes. In 2020/21, he gave Flynn a decent shot in the first month (~10 MPG and played 2/3 of games) then played him for big minutes in the second half. In 19/20, Nurse played an undrafted Davis for 17 MPG (72 GP A.K.A. every single game) and an undrafted Thomas for 11 MPG (41 GP) coming off a Championship year while we still had high expectations. Nurse has always given minutes to young players that deserve the playing time.

[Los_29]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

If all Fred did was pound the rock and shoot bricks, I promise you Nick Nurse wouldn't be playing him 40 minutes a night.

[will]

Champagnie heading up his own FREE ME camapaignie. I like that.

[mrdressup]

He'll eventually go somewhere and show us what we had.

[Badonkadonk]

:wink:

I like Justin but he missed all of camp, has only been back a handful of games and has really shown out the last few.

This is a silly look for a guy that was going to battle for an 11-15th slot from the start.

Banton or Champagnie who do you got?

Man that's tough. I love Banton's potential, but am concerned he settles in more as a play-making wing who is strong in transition rather than somebody who can direct an offense.

Justin already has a skill that I think translates to a very high-level for his position in the NBA - today - in rebounding. He's also 2 years younger than Dalano, and has shown enough 3P% development (on decent volume) to give me some confidence in that area.

I'd lean Champagnie.

[TRik]

The Raptors will probably cut him at some point this season and then he'll end up on a different gleague team.

Or the kings will sign him and he’ll torch us. Lol

[Inevitable]

Hopefully it isn’t a Yuta/Brissette/TD3 situation where he gets released and becomes a producer on a winning team. Maybe Nurse can finally play him.