WT: Raptors have been offered 3 FRPs for OG (Smh its just the Knicks)

[Rapsfan07]

Said it before but I'll say it again - I don't think OG is first or second... or even third in line of guys that need to be moved on this team.

I could be wrong but it seems to make sense that this offer is coming from the Knicks or the Thunder (who I severely doubt as they have a similar player already in Dort). If it is the Knicks, those picks are all late first rounders. That is not a godfather offer and I wouldn't pull the trigger on that for OG as we really do not NEED to move him.

FVV, Trent and Siakam should all be on the move faster than OG, who is young enough to stay while we rebuild around Scottie.

[Airmiess]

Knowing Raptors lore, some pick linked tothis proposal will end up being a star and raps fans will be like omggg we could have had that guy!

[raptor jesus]

Obviously it depends on protections, but with the Raptors success in scouting/drafting, 3 FRPs could prove very fruitful.

[OakleyDokely]

I mentioned this in another thread but this really doesn't tell us much in terms of value.

If the picks project into the 20s, or if they convert into 2nds if they aren't conveyed, the offer isn't very good.

We need to quality over quantity for guys like OG/Siakam.

They won't be in the 20s tho. Its very unlikely the Pistons will go from bottom 5 to top 10. What's more likely is by the time 2026 comes, they'll be trending up and one season we will get a pick in the 10-15 range. Same w the Mavs. That roster is not going to be top 10. its going to be a teen pick.

The wizards? They might be bad until 2026 w how they draft but I'd still doubt it. They picked #10 this year and will probably be around that range again this season. I think you end up with 3 late lottery picks tbh

We have no idea who made the offer.

[Rapsfan07]

Three firsts sets the market. I would think he is equivalent to Dejounte Murray. Spurs got:

Danilo Gallinari
2023 first-round pick via Charlotte Hornets
2025 first-round pick via Atlanta Hawks (unprotected)
2026 first-round pick swap via Atlanta Hawks
2027 first-round pick via Atlanta Hawks (unprotected)

OG is signed for a couple more years, so I'd want unprotected firsts like the Spurs received. I could live with three firsts, if OG actually brought back a viable young player as well. The Spurs getting Gallo was not that helpful, and I would think Toronto wants a player back to play now.

/edit The Pelicans can give us that 2023 LA pick swap, their own 2023 pick, and a 2025 pick plus we can ask for Daniels or Murphy III plus Graham. That seems like fair value.

I don't know about this. I have Murray as more valuable than OG but not by much.

I do agree though that the Pels are a great destination if they're willing to do a package around that LAL 2023 1st.

[NotMyKawhi]

I mentioned this in another thread but this really doesn't tell us much in terms of value.

If the picks project into the 20s, or if they convert into 2nds if they aren't conveyed, the offer isn't very good.

We need to quality over quantity for guys like OG/Siakam.

They won't be in the 20s tho. Its very unlikely the Pistons will go from bottom 5 to top 10. What's more likely is by the time 2026 comes, they'll be trending up and one season we will get a pick in the 10-15 range. Same w the Mavs. That roster is not going to be top 10. its going to be a teen pick.

The wizards? They might be bad until 2026 w how they draft but I'd still doubt it. They picked #10 this year and will probably be around that range again this season. I think you end up with 3 late lottery picks tbh

We have no idea who made the offer.

The knicks really want OG. It's been rumoured multiple times. Where there is smoke there is fire. tbh I still think 3 picks in the 20s is not that bad for OG. You aren't gonna go into the tax to keep this roster when we are currently bottom 7. You gotta maximize your assets.

We did pick OG in the 20s btw....

[OakleyDokely]

They won't be in the 20s tho. Its very unlikely the Pistons will go from bottom 5 to top 10. What's more likely is by the time 2026 comes, they'll be trending up and one season we will get a pick in the 10-15 range. Same w the Mavs. That roster is not going to be top 10. its going to be a teen pick.

The wizards? They might be bad until 2026 w how they draft but I'd still doubt it. They picked #10 this year and will probably be around that range again this season. I think you end up with 3 late lottery picks tbh

We have no idea who made the offer.

The knicks really want OG. It's been rumoured multiple times. Where there is smoke there is fire. tbh I still think 3 picks in the 20s is not that bad for OG. You aren't gonna go into the tax to keep this roster when we are currently bottom 7. You gotta maximize your assets.

We did pick OG in the 20s btw....

A lot of teams have been rumored to be interested in OG - Knicks, Blazers, Pelicans etc

Picks in the 20s have very low hit rates. I think you can do better in an OG deal.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Probably crappy picks but I appreciate this tidbit out there. For once a raptors player is not being devalued in the mainstream media.

[DelAbbot]

I thought the draft was a crapshoot, whats the problem with late 1sts? Or early 2nds?

Mental Gymnastics

[Jadoogar]

Pretty sure it's the Knicks using those crappy 1st round picks that will probably turn into 2nd rounders.

Hopefully people can read through that but will probably think we turned down three unprotected picks that will all be 1st overall lol.

This is what i thought too. Those knicks picks are near useless.

This is a complete lie. Those picks belong to the wiz, Mavs and Pistons. All top 10 protected until 2026. I doubt any of those teams will be top 10 in league. And if they are they won't jump from where they are now, to top 10. We will get picks in the 10-20 range.

I'd much prefer those picks over the grizz bc all the grizz picks will be in the 20s

Mavs pick will convey this year. Currently #20. This can't be the prize in an OG trade
Wizards pick - atleast top 8 protected until 2026, converts to 2nds. This is not a good pick
Piston pick - atleast top 9 protected until 2027, converts to 2027. Pistons are a horrendous team, they are going to need significant luck in the draft to climb out of their hole.

[NotMyKawhi]

We have no idea who made the offer.

The knicks really want OG. It's been rumoured multiple times. Where there is smoke there is fire. tbh I still think 3 picks in the 20s is not that bad for OG. You aren't gonna go into the tax to keep this roster when we are currently bottom 7. You gotta maximize your assets.

We did pick OG in the 20s btw....

A lot of teams have been rumored to be interested in OG - Knicks, Blazers, Pelicans etc

Those blazers picks will be nice as well. Dame is going to regress.They aren't gonna be top 10 in the league. They're currently 13th in the west. Zion will always have injury problems. they've been bad since he's been out. I'd take 3 from all of them as well

[NotMyKawhi]

This is what i thought too. Those knicks picks are near useless.

This is a complete lie. Those picks belong to the wiz, Mavs and Pistons. All top 10 protected until 2026. I doubt any of those teams will be top 10 in league. And if they are they won't jump from where they are now, to top 10. We will get picks in the 10-20 range.

I'd much prefer those picks over the grizz bc all the grizz picks will be in the 20s

Mavs pick will convey this year. Currently #20. This can't be the prize in an OG trade
Wizards pick - atleast top 8 protected until 2026, converts to 2nds. This is not a good pick
Piston pick - atleast top 9 protected until 2027, converts to 2027. Pistons are a horrendous team, they are going to need significant luck in the draft to climb out of their hole.

The wiz pick will most likey be in the 10-15 range. They picked 10 last year.

The pistons have Cade, Ivey, Bey, Duran, will have a top 5 pick this year. They aren't going to be bottom 10 until 2026. I'd bet on that

[TorontoBarneys]

Meh. Most 1st rounders convey as very mediocre late 1sts.

[brownbobcat]

Pistons pick protected top 10 until 2026 and then turns into a 2nd
Wizards pick protected top 10 until 2026 and then turns into a 2nd
Mavs pick top 10 protected until 2025 and then turns into a 2nd.

From the knicks. I wouldn't mind it tbh bc I do think when all is said and done you'll get 3 late lottery picks or mid teen picks,

Meh, it's pretty trash if you ask me. I could easily see at least 1 of the WAS/DET picks turning into a 2nd

[NotMyKawhi]

Pistons pick protected top 10 until 2026 and then turns into a 2nd
Wizards pick protected top 10 until 2026 and then turns into a 2nd
Mavs pick top 10 protected until 2025 and then turns into a 2nd.

From the knicks. I wouldn't mind it tbh bc I do think when all is said and done you'll get 3 late lottery picks or mid teen picks,

Meh, it's pretty trash if you ask me. I could easily see at least 1 of the WAS/DET picks turning into a 2nd

Wiz picked #10 last year.... will pick in that range again this year.

The Pistons have Cade, Ivey, Bey, Duran and a top 5 pick this year. They aren't going to be bad until 2026. I'd bet on it

[OakleyDokely]

The knicks really want OG. It's been rumoured multiple times. Where there is smoke there is fire. tbh I still think 3 picks in the 20s is not that bad for OG. You aren't gonna go into the tax to keep this roster when we are currently bottom 7. You gotta maximize your assets.

We did pick OG in the 20s btw....

A lot of teams have been rumored to be interested in OG - Knicks, Blazers, Pelicans etc

Those blazers picks will be nice as well. Dame is going to regress.They aren't gonna be top 10 in the league. They're currently 13th in the west. Zion will always have injury problems. they've been bad since he's been out. I'd take 3 from all of them as well

The value of a pick deal is getting picks that are unprotected (or have little protection) like the Jazz got for Gobert or what SA got for Murray.

Getting heavily protected picks that will be near the end of the 1st round or picks that convert to 2nds, isn't the type of deal I'd be making for a 25 year old 3pt shooting, DPOY candidate.

Raptors would be better off just waiting for the draft and trading him for a top 10 pick, like they were rumoured to be offered last draft. That's better than a bunch of future picks in the 20s.

[douggood]

Pistons pick protected top 10 until 2026 and then turns into a 2nd
Wizards pick protected top 10 until 2026 and then turns into a 2nd
Mavs pick top 10 protected until 2025 and then turns into a 2nd.

From the knicks. I wouldn't mind it tbh bc I do think when all is said and done you'll get 3 late lottery picks or mid teen picks,

Meh, it's pretty trash if you ask me. I could easily see at least 1 of the WAS/DET picks turning into a 2nd

knicks have 8 tradable 1sts
4 own

-mavs pick 2023-25 top 10 protected, will likely be this year,
currently 20th
- pistons 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York
earliest will probably 2025, but i expect this to be conveyed and not be a 2nd in 2027
- wiz 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026 otherwise 2nd in 2026
again in the 4 years you expect them to convey at some point.
- bucks 2025 1st, top 4 protected, its 2025 or nothing.
depends on giannis health that season.

[Jadoogar]

Pistons pick protected top 10 until 2026 and then turns into a 2nd
Wizards pick protected top 10 until 2026 and then turns into a 2nd
Mavs pick top 10 protected until 2025 and then turns into a 2nd.

From the knicks. I wouldn't mind it tbh bc I do think when all is said and done you'll get 3 late lottery picks or mid teen picks,

Meh, it's pretty trash if you ask me. I could easily see at least 1 of the WAS/DET picks turning into a 2nd

Wiz picked #10 last year.... will pick in that range again this year.

The Pistons have Cade, Ivey, Bey, Duran and a top 5 pick this year. They aren't going to be bad until 2026. I'd bet on it

It's top 10 protected until 2025. I can't see the wizards improving as Beal ages and no young talent in the pipeline

[elecblue]

OG is a legit DPOY level defender that takes on beasts like Embiid and Jokic on a nightly basis, or KD, or Kawhi, or Harden, or Ja... He's THE best 3&D guy in the entire league with some upside remaining in playmaking. He's plug and play in all 30 teams today and for the rest of his career. This is to say if we trade him, we have to create that bidding war. No doubt in my mind he's worth more than 3 late lottery picks in today's environment.

[Dalek]

Three firsts sets the market. I would think he is equivalent to Dejounte Murray. Spurs got:

Danilo Gallinari
2023 first-round pick via Charlotte Hornets
2025 first-round pick via Atlanta Hawks (unprotected)
2026 first-round pick swap via Atlanta Hawks
2027 first-round pick via Atlanta Hawks (unprotected)

OG is signed for a couple more years, so I'd want unprotected firsts like the Spurs received. I could live with three firsts, if OG actually brought back a viable young player as well. The Spurs getting Gallo was not that helpful, and I would think Toronto wants a player back to play now.

/edit The Pelicans can give us that 2023 LA pick swap, their own 2023 pick, and a 2025 pick plus we can ask for Daniels or Murphy III plus Graham. That seems like fair value.

I don't know about this. I have Murray as more valuable than OG but not by much.

I do agree though that the Pels are a great destination if they're willing to do a package around that LAL 2023 1st.

I can see that argument about Murray because he has such great shot creation ability. OG is just such an easy fit for any roster. He shoots it well enough and can guard any position. Murray is a good defender, but he is more of a gambler plus he has to have the ball in his hands. The Hawks were a perfect match because they needed a 1b to help Trae out.

New Orleans
Portland
Brooklyn
Cleveland
Dallas

All those teams should be willing to go all-in for OG because they all sit in the middle and want to appease either their current stars and/or their fanbase.