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Official Ochai Agbaji Thread - Welcome to Toronto, Ochai!

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Post#21 » by mrdressup » Thu Feb 8, 2024 5:30 pm

His shooting hasn't translated in the NBA. Low field goal percentage and below average from 3 for a shooter, never mind a guard. Does he like playing defense?
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Post#22 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Feb 8, 2024 5:31 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:Agbaji is physically great and plays above average defense, but he just has no skills on offense at all. He's purely a spotup shooter and not a great one. If you guys can teach him how to like dribble and stuff, he could be a really good player because he's so physically gifted, but he's nearly 24 and just has nothing skill-wise so we (the Jazz) gave up.

(Also, extremely physically attractive when he doesn't have his mustache, just a really hot dude)

Looking forward to the physical attractiveness. Dick needed some competition.
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Post#23 » by ItsDanger » Thu Feb 8, 2024 5:32 pm

Agbaji can be a solid bench 2/3. Don't think because he was a lottery pick that he has big upside, he doesn't. 4 year college players typically produce immediately and he's struggled
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Post#24 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Feb 8, 2024 8:50 pm

This season, 3 pt shooting:

Corner Overall: 42.4%
Left Corner 36.1%
Right Corner: 50.1%
Above the Break: 25.0%
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Post#25 » by lolwut » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:01 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:We're gonna hear "Ochai, OH MY" a whole lot, aren't we.

Oh it's chai time!
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Post#26 » by duppyy » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:02 pm

lolwut wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:We're gonna hear "Ochai, OH MY" a whole lot, aren't we.

Oh it's chai time!


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Post#28 » by C-R-E-A-M- » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:10 pm

He can be like Aaron Nesmith
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Post#29 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:13 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:This season, 3 pt shooting:

Corner Overall: 42.4%
Left Corner 36.1%
Right Corner: 50.1%
Above the Break: 25.0%


This organization couldn't get Siakam corner looks, they're definitely not getting Agbaji corner looks that would justify getting excited about this breakdown. If anything it indicates it's on him to improve his non-corner 3 pt shooting.
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Post#30 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:15 pm

Defense versatility:

55.8% of his time defending guards, opponents are shooting 36.7 FG (this is pretty elite)
36.5% of his time defending forwards, opponents are shooting 46.8 FG (this is ok)
7.7 of his time defending centers, opponents are shooting 70.0 FG (this is not good)


At the very least, this should prevent Barnes from having to chase elite guards around.
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Post#31 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:22 pm

If he can shoot, he'll find minutes.
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Post#32 » by aminiaturebuddha » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:35 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:This season, 3 pt shooting:

Corner Overall: 42.4%
Left Corner 36.1%
Right Corner: 50.1%
Above the Break: 25.0%


This organization couldn't get Siakam corner looks, they're definitely not getting Agbaji corner looks that would justify getting excited about this breakdown. If anything it indicates it's on him to improve his non-corner 3 pt shooting.


I'm not sure if it was so much that they couldn't get Siakam corner looks. It's more a question of where would you prefer him to be in the offence. And for the most part, it was much more valuable to have Siakam as an initiator in the Raptors offence (which doesn't happen from the corners).

Ochai won't really be asked to be a creator, so it should be much easier to have him drift towards the corners in offensive sets, or be cutting baseline from one corner to another. In fact, I'd bet we'll see Olynyk above the break more than we'll see Agbaji.

The guys you need to be good above-the-break shooters are generally the ones who are going to have the ball in their hands initiating the offence. That's why it's been a great sign that Scottie has been pretty good at that this year, and Quickley is one of the best in the league.
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Post#33 » by pingpongrac » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:39 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:This season, 3 pt shooting:

Corner Overall: 42.4%
Left Corner 36.1%
Right Corner: 50.1%
Above the Break: 25.0%


This organization couldn't get Siakam corner looks, they're definitely not getting Agbaji corner looks that would justify getting excited about this breakdown. If anything it indicates it's on him to improve his non-corner 3 pt shooting.


This organization couldn't get Siakam corner looks because it was most optimal to have him initiating the offence. On the other hand, Agbaji is almost exclusively going to be in the corners and/or cutting on the baseline.
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Post#34 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:47 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:This season, 3 pt shooting:

Corner Overall: 42.4%
Left Corner 36.1%
Right Corner: 50.1%
Above the Break: 25.0%


This organization couldn't get Siakam corner looks, they're definitely not getting Agbaji corner looks that would justify getting excited about this breakdown. If anything it indicates it's on him to improve his non-corner 3 pt shooting.


I'm not sure if it was so much that they couldn't get Siakam corner looks. It's more a question of where would you prefer him to be in the offence. And for the most part, it was much more valuable to have Siakam as an initiator in the Raptors offence (which doesn't happen from the corners).

Ochai won't really be asked to be a creator, so it should be much easier to have him drift towards the corners in offensive sets, or be cutting baseline from one corner to another. In fact, I'd bet we'll see Olynyk above the break more than we'll see Agbaji.

The guys you need to be good above-the-break shooters are generally the ones who are going to have the ball in their hands initiating the offence. That's why it's been a great sign that Scottie has been pretty good at that this year, and Quickley is one of the best in the league.


I mean it was valuable for the treadmill that's for sure :lol: Obviously what you're saying is true but there could have been actions run to get him looks from there far more often. Instead we were watching him brick above the break 3's at an 75-80% rate most of the year. Just ties into how he was most effective when he was actually sitting in the corners and operating down the baseline a ton during the championship season.

Oddly enough it's shaping up to be pretty good as Dick, Barnes and Quickley are all capable non-corner 3 shooters. I don't remember what Dick shot in college but I think it was like 52% or something wild.
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Post#35 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:50 pm

I think we will value his defense mostly, at least initially. He's probably going to be used pretty heavily against the opposing teams best guard.
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Post#36 » by Appostis » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:53 pm

Hero_Panda wrote:So...when is Brown going to be shipped?

At the draft.
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Post#37 » by aminiaturebuddha » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:55 pm

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Oddly enough it's shaping up to be pretty good as Dick, Barnes and Quickley are all capable non-corner 3 shooters. I don't remember what Dick shot in college but I think it was like 52% or something wild.


Yep, those guys should be decent to very good there, and then they can keep RJ and Ochai shooting the vast majority of their threes from the corners.

Spacing-wise the team makes more sense now. And then we'll just have to see what happens with Gary and Brown in the off-season, whether or not they can re-sign Olynyk on the cheap (who also helps spacing), and who they end up with in the draft. Overall though, the offensive roles on this team should make more sense going forward for the next couple of years.
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Post#38 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:55 pm

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Post#40 » by mg » Thu Feb 8, 2024 9:58 pm

Ochai is going to be a culture piece for you guys.

Dunn emerging as the primary guard defender and then Jazz drafting Hendricks who is a longer 3&D kinda sealed his fate in Utah. Of course he was not drafted by the Jazz either so Ainge is going to do what he does and keep flipping assets. Happy to see that he has found a good home in Toronto. When given minutes after the deadline last year he was automatic from the corner. Low usage player that is really good at moving off the ball. Handsome guy too which is a plus when trying to get your girl to watch the games.

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