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Brinbe wrote:RJ/IQ seem poised to have big years next season, hopefully they can stay healthy.

Otherwise, the FO have to pretty much build an entire bench from scratch this offseason. They got some work to do. Brown/Nwora haven't worked out and we'll see on if Ochai makes it, but I'm not sure that he will.

They have had to do that for 3 years and still haven't.

Scase wrote:

Brinbe wrote:RJ/IQ seem poised to have big years next season, hopefully they can stay healthy.

Otherwise, the FO have to pretty much build an entire bench from scratch this offseason. They got some work to do. Brown/Nwora haven't worked out and we'll see on if Ochai makes it, but I'm not sure that he will.

They have had to do that for 3 years and still haven't.

As I said in another post in this thread, I don't think there's anything wrong with having some skepticism about this FO. Their talent ID has been really questionable and I don't know who/what to attribute that to exactly because they're so opaque about everything they do.

They did the work to give themselves flexibility this offseason to radically reshape large portions of this team, but selling off is always the easy part. The follow-through is what matters. Can they successfully do it? Well, that's where everyone will feel differently I suppose. But if you don't think so that's fine, but none of us can really do anything about it either way. So repeating it a billion times from now until whenever is also a bit tiresome.

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Seriously? Logan Paul the scammer? Do they think we dont know what he did with his NFT up in Canada? He's shady as hell.
what a **** joke this franchise has became.

at least Jontay would get another chance at this rate.

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Seriously? Logan Paul the scammer? Do they think we dont know what he did with his NFT up in Canada? He's shady as hell.
what a **** joke this franchise has became.

at least Jontay would get another chance at this rate.

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Raptorfan2012 wrote:Really nice to see RJ and IQ back; finally look like an NBA team again at least in the beginning. BBQ Dick is a solid core to build with, but man we really need some rim protection. Hopefully we can get this off-season.

Team really lacks QUALITY bigs....

Best tank job in Raptors Hx to possibly lose the pick to the Spurs.

Brinbe wrote:

Scase wrote:

Brinbe wrote:RJ/IQ seem poised to have big years next season, hopefully they can stay healthy.

Otherwise, the FO have to pretty much build an entire bench from scratch this offseason. They got some work to do. Brown/Nwora haven't worked out and we'll see on if Ochai makes it, but I'm not sure that he will.

They have had to do that for 3 years and still haven't.

As I said in another post in this thread, I don't think there's anything wrong with having some skepticism about this FO. Their talent ID has been really questionable and I don't know who/what to attribute that to exactly because they're so opaque about everything they do.

They did the work to give themselves flexibility this offseason to radically reshape large portions of this team, but selling off is always the easy part. The follow-through is what matters. Can they successfully do it? Well, that's where everyone will feel differently I suppose. But if you don't think so that's fine, but none of us can really do anything about it either way. So repeating it a billion times from now until whenever is also a bit tiresome.

The front office definitely needs a look. Lots pf questionable personnel decisions and the choice they made for coach is sickening. It may be time for a front office shuffle but quality execs are hard to find

The Logan Paul thing shows just how out of touch the front office have become.

The only 3 players that matter looked good and that's all we can ask for.

They will get curb stomped in the next 2 also. Countdown to May 12th is on.

#winningculture

We went from we cannot lose, look at the culture in Detroit, building up and waiting for a star to become available even if you're a middle of the pack team is the way to go, to one of the worst in basketball.

Hilarious quotes from the FO that were talking out of two sides of their mouth:

"How do you tell a champion to tank"

"Play in for what"

"We won't be in no mans land"

“I’m not going to sit here & cry over spilled milk. If it was a mistake, it was a mistake but it was good value for us”

“Until you win, it’s always going to be some kind of a failure, or not successful. We believe in it,” he said. “We believe in what we’re doing [with Vision 6-9]."

Steelo Green wrote:We went from we cannot lose, look at the culture in Detroit, building up and waiting for a star to become available even if you're a middle of the pack team is the way to go, to one of the worst in basketball.

Hilarious quotes from the FO that were talking out of two sides of their mouth:

"How do you tell a champion to tank"

"Play in for what"

"We won't be in no mans land"

“I’m not going to sit here & cry over spilled milk. If it was a mistake, it was a mistake but it was good value for us”

“Until you win, it’s always going to be some kind of a failure, or not successful. We believe in it,” he said. “We believe in what we’re doing [with Vision 6-9]."

They've already done something like this back in TB, which netted us Barnes. This is nothing new.

Both things can be true. You can try to win but also realize the best course of action is to reset if the team isn't successful.

Brinbe wrote:

Scase wrote:

Brinbe wrote:RJ/IQ seem poised to have big years next season, hopefully they can stay healthy.

Otherwise, the FO have to pretty much build an entire bench from scratch this offseason. They got some work to do. Brown/Nwora haven't worked out and we'll see on if Ochai makes it, but I'm not sure that he will.

They have had to do that for 3 years and still haven't.

As I said in another post in this thread, I don't think there's anything wrong with having some skepticism about this FO. Their talent ID has been really questionable and I don't know who/what to attribute that to exactly because they're so opaque about everything they do.

They did the work to give themselves flexibility this offseason to radically reshape large portions of this team, but selling off is always the easy part. The follow-through is what matters. Can they successfully do it? Well, that's where everyone will feel differently I suppose. But if you don't think so that's fine, but none of us can really do anything about it either way. So repeating it a billion times from now until whenever is also a bit tiresome.

My point was more about how much longer do we keep giving them, to fail at the same thing over and over? We dont have a whole lot in the way of assets we can trade to bolster the bench, and they have shown that the knack for finding hidden talent has been missing for many years.

Scase wrote:

Brinbe wrote:

Scase wrote:They have had to do that for 3 years and still haven't.

As I said in another post in this thread, I don't think there's anything wrong with having some skepticism about this FO. Their talent ID has been really questionable and I don't know who/what to attribute that to exactly because they're so opaque about everything they do.

They did the work to give themselves flexibility this offseason to radically reshape large portions of this team, but selling off is always the easy part. The follow-through is what matters. Can they successfully do it? Well, that's where everyone will feel differently I suppose. But if you don't think so that's fine, but none of us can really do anything about it either way. So repeating it a billion times from now until whenever is also a bit tiresome.

My point was more about how much longer do we keep giving them, to fail at the same thing over and over? We dont have a whole lot in the way of assets we can trade to bolster the bench, and they have shown that the knack for finding hidden talent has been missing for many years.

We have the assets to bolster the bench through draft picks? If you consider Quickley, Dick, Barrett, Barnes, Poeltl as a starting 5.

Trent (maybe trade him or resign him)
Brown (maybe trade him or keep his option)
Kelly O
Ochai Agbaji

2024 17th pick
2024 31st pick
Either a top 6 pick this year or a pick in 2025.
Two 1sts in 2026

5 1sts of the next 3 years.

I think we have enough assets to start building a bench (where we didn't have the assets to do that post championship).

This team has a lot of interesting offensive pieces when everyone is healthy. As a group, Barnes/IQ/Barrett/Dick should be able to score a lot. The big issue will be the defense, which is why they really need to bring in a dominant paint presence in the mold of JJJ/Lopez/Gobert, which would also allow Barnes to go back to playing the roaming "Giannis" role which he was so good at early in the season. Poeltl is good, but he isn't a big enough presence to overcome the defensive issues elsewhere.

OakleyDokely wrote:This team has a lot of interesting offensive pieces when everyone is healthy. As a group, Barnes/IQ/Barrett/Dick should be able to score a lot. The big issue will be the defense, which is why they really need to bring in a dominant paint presence in the mold of JJJ/Lopez/Gobert, which would also allow Barnes to go back to playing the roaming "Giannis" role which he was so good at early in the season. Poeltl is good, but he isn't a big enough presence to overcome the defensive issues elsewhere.

I'm worried that Quickley, Dick, Barrett are just all not good defensively that even an elite defensive big won't be good enough.

Poeltl is a very good defensive big (probably in the tier below you guys mentioned).

Duffman100 wrote:

OakleyDokely wrote:This team has a lot of interesting offensive pieces when everyone is healthy. As a group, Barnes/IQ/Barrett/Dick should be able to score a lot. The big issue will be the defense, which is why they really need to bring in a dominant paint presence in the mold of JJJ/Lopez/Gobert, which would also allow Barnes to go back to playing the roaming "Giannis" role which he was so good at early in the season. Poeltl is good, but he isn't a big enough presence to overcome the defensive issues elsewhere.

I'm worried that Quickley, Dick, Barrett are just all not good defensively that even an elite defensive big won't be good enough.

Poeltl is a very good defensive big (probably in the tier below you guys mentioned).

Individually all those guys aren't terrible, but as a group (which granted has been a limited sample) they've been terrible. I think they will need a dominant defensive anchor to make this work, or they somehow figure out their defensive schemes.

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The Logan Paul thing shows just how out of touch the front office have become.

Do you think the front office is sitting in a room debating whether or not to get sponsored by logan paul and prime? Lmao MLSE handles sponsorship dollars. Prime also sponsors the lakers, dodgers, arsenel, barcelona etc

Duffman100 wrote:

Scase wrote:

Brinbe wrote:As I said in another post in this thread, I don't think there's anything wrong with having some skepticism about this FO. Their talent ID has been really questionable and I don't know who/what to attribute that to exactly because they're so opaque about everything they do.

They did the work to give themselves flexibility this offseason to radically reshape large portions of this team, but selling off is always the easy part. The follow-through is what matters. Can they successfully do it? Well, that's where everyone will feel differently I suppose. But if you don't think so that's fine, but none of us can really do anything about it either way. So repeating it a billion times from now until whenever is also a bit tiresome.

My point was more about how much longer do we keep giving them, to fail at the same thing over and over? We dont have a whole lot in the way of assets we can trade to bolster the bench, and they have shown that the knack for finding hidden talent has been missing for many years.

We have the assets to bolster the bench through draft picks? If you consider Quickley, Dick, Barrett, Barnes, Poeltl as a starting 5.

Trent (maybe trade him or resign him)
Brown (maybe trade him or keep his option)
Kelly O
Ochai Agbaji

2024 17th pick
2024 31st pick
Either a top 6 pick this year or a pick in 2025.
Two 1sts in 2026

5 1sts of the next 3 years.

I think we have enough assets to start building a bench (where we didn't have the assets to do that post championship).

Yep, exactly. And there are still other possibilities as well, including not picking up Brown's option and letting Trent go to leave them with enough cap space to pursue a quality FA like Malik Monk or Grayson Allen. Especially if they also manage to off-load Boucher's contract somewhere. Or doing the same and using that cap space to take back a contract a team needs to off-load because of the new tax apron rules.

There's a lot of work to do, for sure, but the FO has given themselves more flexibility than any off-season in recent memory. They've made some mistakes recently, of course, but they've also never been in a situation like the one they'll have this summer, so we can't know how they'll deal with it.

It'll be very interesting to see how the team looks in October. We should all save the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the roster and bench until then at least.