Poll: Zion or Ingram?

[Parataxis]

If we can get Zion for salary relief, then you take Zion. Worst case, he's a dead contract that we eat for a while, best case he gets healthy and becomes what he always had the potential to become. It's worth the risk.

I wouldn't give up future for either of them though.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Overall at this point 33 Realgmers want a trade to happen for either player, and only 16 don't want a trade.

Proof positive that TWO is on the way out!!!!

[PhilBlackson]

Overall at this point 33 Realgmers want a trade to happen for either player, and only 16 don't want a trade.

Proof positive that TWO is on the way out!!!!

While this is just a trolling derail post, the voting doesn't prove anything.

Both guys could be asked to sit out especially Ingram since he's still not fully rehabbed and I don't think Zion would care all that much either as he's quite accustom to that lol and he would have nothing to play for this season anyways.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Overall at this point 33 Realgmers want a trade to happen for either player, and only 16 don't want a trade.

Proof positive that TWO is on the way out!!!!

While this is just a trolling derail post, the voting doesn't prove anything.

Both guys could be asked to sit out especially Ingram since he's still not fully rehabbed and I don't think Zion would care all that much either as he's quite accustom to that lol and he would have nothing to play for this season anyways.

Oh sorry for celebrating the fact the some people are actually looking for our team to improve in a more viable way than a literal lottery. The word "troll" is thrown around way too much these days.....

[PhilBlackson]

Overall at this point 33 Realgmers want a trade to happen for either player, and only 16 don't want a trade.

Proof positive that TWO is on the way out!!!!

While this is just a trolling derail post, the voting doesn't prove anything.

Both guys could be asked to sit out especially Ingram since he's still not fully rehabbed and I don't think Zion would care all that much either as he's quite accustom to that lol and he would have nothing to play for this season anyways.

Oh sorry for celebrating the fact the some people are actually looking for our team to improve in a more viable way than a literal lottery. The word "troll" is thrown around way too much these days.....

But it's not being thrown around...this thread is discussing Zion or Ingram an instead of sticking to that you're throwing out some silly remark about "tWo" to invoke a response, that's trolling lol

And again adding Zion or BI does NOT mean people are abandoning tanking as there is an easy solution to sit them out and that's the whole reason WHY it's being considered as a viable option.

You don't seem to comprehend the causation or that both things can be desired at the same time. It isn't that tWo members didn't/don't recognize there are more ways to improve other than the draft. It's that they don't want the draft DIMINISHED by other roster moves (get that straight in your head, it's not the same thing as saying the draft is the only thing that works but to work it properly) which again this scenario allows the possibility for both to happen simultaneously - add an all-star caliber player AND keep good draft position BY resting said players. One does not rule out the other as you're implying/trolling but rather compliment each other.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

While this is just a trolling derail post, the voting doesn't prove anything.

Both guys could be asked to sit out especially Ingram since he's still not fully rehabbed and I don't think Zion would care all that much either as he's quite accustom to that lol and he would have nothing to play for this season anyways.

Oh sorry for celebrating the fact the some people are actually looking for our team to improve in a more viable way than a literal lottery. The word "troll" is thrown around way too much these days.....

But it's not being thrown around...this thread is discussing Zion or Ingram an instead of sticking to that you're throwing out some silly remark about "tWo" to invoke a response, that's trolling lol

And again adding Zion or BI does NOT mean people are abandoning tanking as there is an easy solution to sit them out and that's the whole reason WHY it's being considered as a viable option.

You don't seem to comprehend the causation or that both things can be desired at the same time. It isn't that tWo members didn't/don't recognize there are more ways to improve other than the draft. It's that they don't want the draft DIMINISHED by other roster moves (get that straight in your head, it's not the same thing as saying the draft is the only thing that works but to work it properly) which again this scenario allows the possibility for both to happen simultaneously - add an all-star caliber player AND keep good draft position. One does not rule out the other as you're implying/trolling.

Trading for Zion or Ingram is a totally separate approach than trading away all veterans for draft picks which is what TWO was advocating for, and has always advocated for .

You can't pivot now and saying trading for a potential superstar can exist at the same time as tanking as we will definitely win more games.....it could be some sort of hybrid approach that you are advocating, but it's definitely not TWO.

Also, I'll respect TWO when they stop dive bombing any thread that is counter to tanking.

[Scase]

Overall at this point 33 Realgmers want a trade to happen for either player, and only 16 don't want a trade.

Proof positive that TWO is on the way out!!!!

While this is just a trolling derail post, the voting doesn't prove anything.

Both guys could be asked to sit out especially Ingram since he's still not fully rehabbed and I don't think Zion would care all that much either as he's quite accustom to that lol and he would have nothing to play for this season anyways.

Sure it does, it proves that 33 people don't know wtf they are talking about. No team has wanted to touch BI or Zion with a 10ft pole, but hey those 33 people must be onto something the rest of the NBA is too stupid to figure out.

[PhilBlackson]

Oh sorry for celebrating the fact the some people are actually looking for our team to improve in a more viable way than a literal lottery. The word "troll" is thrown around way too much these days.....

But it's not being thrown around...this thread is discussing Zion or Ingram an instead of sticking to that you're throwing out some silly remark about "tWo" to invoke a response, that's trolling lol

And again adding Zion or BI does NOT mean people are abandoning tanking as there is an easy solution to sit them out and that's the whole reason WHY it's being considered as a viable option.

You don't seem to comprehend the causation or that both things can be desired at the same time. It isn't that tWo members didn't/don't recognize there are more ways to improve other than the draft. It's that they don't want the draft DIMINISHED by other roster moves (get that straight in your head, it's not the same thing as saying the draft is the only thing that works but to work it properly) which again this scenario allows the possibility for both to happen simultaneously - add an all-star caliber player AND keep good draft position. One does not rule out the other as you're implying/trolling.

Trading for Zion or Ingram is a totally separate approach than trading away all veterans for draft picks which is what TWO was advocating for, and has always advocated for .

You can't pivot now and saying trading for a potential superstar can exist at the same time as tanking as we will definitely win more games.....it could be some sort of hybrid approach that you are advocating, but it's definitely not TWO.

This isn't hard to understand lol

It's not a hybrid or pivoting...most people who are "tWo" were not advocating for years of tanking but rather a single DEDICATED (meaning no moves that will disturb that) season to it and these 2 players uniquely allow us to still remain dedicated to the draft THIS year.

People advocated for picks because no one ever thought that Bruce would be able to net us an all-star and don't act like you thought it would either lol. But now that these 2 again uniquely allow us to accomplish that goal AND bring them in is WHY there is an openness to it and something that neither tWo or Team Mediocre realized would be a viable option as again no one knew that Brown may be able to net anything more than maybe some sort of draft compensation.

[bonjovi0308]

Lots of rumors swirling around about the availability of Ingram and Zion... If you're Masai and you want to trade for that depreciated star this deadline to join the Raps, and these are your 2 options... Who are you trading for?

Depends on what the asking price is

[PushDaRock]

Overall at this point 33 Realgmers want a trade to happen for either player, and only 16 don't want a trade.

Proof positive that TWO is on the way out!!!!

While this is just a trolling derail post, the voting doesn't prove anything.

Both guys could be asked to sit out especially Ingram since he's still not fully rehabbed and I don't think Zion would care all that much either as he's quite accustom to that lol and he would have nothing to play for this season anyways.

Sure it does, it proves that 33 people don't know wtf they are talking about. No team has wanted to touch BI or Zion with a 10ft pole, but hey those 33 people must be onto something the rest of the NBA is too stupid to figure out.

Masai can fix them

[bobbyp3588]

Overall at this point 33 Realgmers want a trade to happen for either player, and only 16 don't want a trade.

Proof positive that TWO is on the way out!!!!

As this recent stretch clearly shows - we don’t belong amount the bottom dwellers. And IQ hasn’t really even played.

Hopefully we ship out a bunch if not all the vets and we can comfortably lose some games down the stretch. It’ll take some ATL type luck like last year for us to be in the convo for Flagg otherwise.

[Parataxis]

Oh sorry for celebrating the fact the some people are actually looking for our team to improve in a more viable way than a literal lottery. The word "troll" is thrown around way too much these days.....

But it's not being thrown around...this thread is discussing Zion or Ingram an instead of sticking to that you're throwing out some silly remark about "tWo" to invoke a response, that's trolling lol

And again adding Zion or BI does NOT mean people are abandoning tanking as there is an easy solution to sit them out and that's the whole reason WHY it's being considered as a viable option.

You don't seem to comprehend the causation or that both things can be desired at the same time. It isn't that tWo members didn't/don't recognize there are more ways to improve other than the draft. It's that they don't want the draft DIMINISHED by other roster moves (get that straight in your head, it's not the same thing as saying the draft is the only thing that works but to work it properly) which again this scenario allows the possibility for both to happen simultaneously - add an all-star caliber player AND keep good draft position. One does not rule out the other as you're implying/trolling.

Trading for Zion or Ingram is a totally separate approach than trading away all veterans for draft picks which is what TWO was advocating for, and has always advocated for .

You can't pivot now and saying trading for a potential superstar can exist at the same time as tanking as we will definitely win more games.....it could be some sort of hybrid approach that you are advocating, but it's definitely not TWO.

I voted for trading for Zion. I'm hoping we keep tanking this season.

Zion is signed for multiple years. Trading for him now isn't about this year; it's not about making incremental improvements in some misguided playoff push.

It's about the future. If we can get Zion for salary relief, we should do it. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't also trade away other pieces for draft picks.

[Spida888]

Depends what we are giving up. If all it takes are expirings and SRPs or a single very well protected FRP (ex. Indy top 20 protected). Then I would do it for Zion over Ingram.

Zion has more upside and his contract is less risky since you can waive him at certain points without paying him more.

[PhilBlackson]

But it's not being thrown around...this thread is discussing Zion or Ingram an instead of sticking to that you're throwing out some silly remark about "tWo" to invoke a response, that's trolling lol

And again adding Zion or BI does NOT mean people are abandoning tanking as there is an easy solution to sit them out and that's the whole reason WHY it's being considered as a viable option.

You don't seem to comprehend the causation or that both things can be desired at the same time. It isn't that tWo members didn't/don't recognize there are more ways to improve other than the draft. It's that they don't want the draft DIMINISHED by other roster moves (get that straight in your head, it's not the same thing as saying the draft is the only thing that works but to work it properly) which again this scenario allows the possibility for both to happen simultaneously - add an all-star caliber player AND keep good draft position. One does not rule out the other as you're implying/trolling.

Trading for Zion or Ingram is a totally separate approach than trading away all veterans for draft picks which is what TWO was advocating for, and has always advocated for .

You can't pivot now and saying trading for a potential superstar can exist at the same time as tanking as we will definitely win more games.....it could be some sort of hybrid approach that you are advocating, but it's definitely not TWO.

I voted for trading for Zion. I'm hoping we keep tanking this season.

Zion is signed for multiple years. Trading for him now isn't about this year; it's not about making incremental improvements in some misguided playoff push.

It's about the future. If we can get Zion for salary relief, we should do it. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't also trade away other pieces for draft picks.

Although I acknowledge Zion is obviously the greater talent and that BI has injury concerns of his own, I just don’t have any faith Zion is ever going to dial in physically to the level he’ll need to in order to get through not only majority of a season (even 60 games) PLUS the intensity of the Playoffs on his lower extremities (ankles, feet, knees, hammys etc lol). He’s just not built for the sport despite his next level athleticism. Literally the only way I can see Zion making it is becoming a next level vegan with meticulous eating habits and training regime and I just think it’s so obvious that he completely lacks the will power.

With BI, yeah I think he obviously needs to put a bit more time in the weight room. But I don’t anatomically as it is with Zion, that there’s as great of risk of injury. I’m sure there’s other things that Alex can help him figure out as well. The things he’d likely need to do aren’t drastically altering his lifestyle particularly off court as it would Zion. He just feels like a player the staff will have to be a bit more involved in. With Zion I don’t trust that he doesn’t say f it and order 2 double dish pizzas, garlic sticks and a bucket of KFC to treat himself for all the hard work he put in for the week lol…and having a not so little drawer of snacks at home that claims helps restore blood sugar levels after a tough workout or practice lol. Staff can’t be there to stop him or help him with that.

I just think will be able to get literally more actual on court play and production out of BI and truth is I think his style of play is actually a better fit. But of course I don’t discount that at minimum it would likely balance due to Zion just being superior but it all comes down to who’s gonna actually be available when we need them and I like BI’s odds more.

[tecumseh18]

I like BI’s odds more.

My fear with Ingram is that he had his blood clot issue in 2019. If it recurs ... end of career.

Of course, I'm not a doctor and I don't know if BI is at great risk than any random player who hasn't yet had blood clots. It's been over five years, so maybe unlikely to recur. Bosh had them relatively close together.

I see no chance that Raptors will get Zion for expirings. The league wants Zion in a big media centre, and will reward NOP with the first overall pick in this upcoming draft if they can facilitate that (just as they did in the years CP and AD went to LA).

[bape_lovers]

pretty sure the days of Zion as a generational player was in the draft threads as well. In just 6 years, the number 1 pick is no longer wanted.

Overall at this point 33 Realgmers want a trade to happen for either player, and only 16 don't want a trade.

Proof positive that TWO is on the way out!!!!

[Jerry Lucas]

I like BI’s odds more.

My fear with Ingram is that he had his blood clot issue in 2019. If it recurs ... end of career.

Of course, I'm not a doctor and I don't know if BI is at great risk than any random player who hasn't yet had blood clots. It's been over five years, so maybe unlikely to recur. Bosh had them relatively close together.

I see no chance that Raptors will get Zion for expirings. The league wants Zion in a big media centre, and will reward NOP with the first overall pick in this upcoming draft if they can facilitate that (just as they did in the years CP and AD went to LA).

I see someone else has begun to understand how draft lottery fixing truly works in the NBA.

[Gavin_TDThree]

it's gotta be Zion. Younger and has insane upside. But dam does he have some red flags. But if a team can somehow "fix" him, they got a potential multi time all-star.

BI is a "safer" bet which is crazy to think. His lack of 3pt shooting, defensive presence, and just overall health makes him a hard player to justify paying big money to.

[kalel123]

Neither.

Both are injury prone and comes with high risk. What they have has been going on long enough that the rate or risk keeps climbing while the level of reward keeps going down and I see no signs that this trend will reverse or stop.

[CPT]

I like BI’s odds more.

My fear with Ingram is that he had his blood clot issue in 2019. If it recurs ... end of career.

Of course, I'm not a doctor and I don't know if BI is at great risk than any random player who hasn't yet had blood clots. It's been over five years, so maybe unlikely to recur. Bosh had them relatively close together.

I see no chance that Raptors will get Zion for expirings. The league wants Zion in a big media centre, and will reward NOP with the first overall pick in this upcoming draft if they can facilitate that (just as they did in the years CP and AD went to LA).

I see someone else has begun to understand how draft lottery fixing truly works in the NBA.

These two posts are the dumbest thing I've read in a while, and this is a thread about trading for Brandon Ingram.

The league wants Zion in a big media centre, so instead of fixing the draft in the first place (which they apparently do), they decided to wait 6 years and fix it as a reward for trading him. Keeps the heat off. Genius.

Presumably San Antonio will get the number one pick again in 10-20 years as a reward for trading Wemby to a major market, where the league wanted him all along (but didn't fix the draft in that way, because reasons).