[The Athletic] Anonymous NBA Player Poll 2025

Tor_Raps · Post #21 » by **Tor_Raps** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 3:55 am

We The Irrelevant!

mihaic · Post #22 » by **mihaic** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 3:57 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
73 votes for worst coach question
Darko received 5.5% so 4 votes

I’m guessing FVV, Siakam, Orlando, and OG

Schroder and maybe boucher lol

Why would Schroder vote for Darko? Darko loved him. He ran the offence through that scrub.

That scrub won the Pistons playoff game against the Knicks.

I don't like his game either but he's not a scrub

ForeverTFC · Post #23 » by **ForeverTFC** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:10 am

Zeno wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
mtcan wrote:Darko isn't worse than Nick Nurse and Thom Thibodeau. I'll take that as a W

73 votes for worst coach question
Darko received 5.5% so 4 votes

I’m guessing FVV, Siakam, Orlando, and OG

Likely just random guys saying the Raptors coach because we sucked.

Agree. Who has Jordie pissed off to get votes? I think same applies to Darko.

ishoy123 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Boogie! wrote:Weird because I felt like Halliburton was underrated at one point. I thought the raptors had a good reputation around the league, I guess not. You’d think at least some previous raptors would’ve voted in their favour. Also lol at Darko getting worst coach votes. Also cool to see Norman Powell getting votes. Been supporting him for a minute.

Our owner was never a tax payer.
The ranking on the organization / owner seems to have more to do with spending power.

It's not even a ranking. No one voted the Raptors the single best organization... it doesn't mean they don't think the Raptors are a well-run organization. Flip side no one voted the Raptors as the worst-run organization.

100%. No votes either way. I do think record also plays a factor here as well.

Son Goku 25 · Post #24 » by **Son Goku 25** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 6:43 am

Haliburton really is a BA so not surprised seeing him there

pbernardi · Post #25 » by **pbernardi** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 11:42 am

Five Years from now, who will be the face of the league?

Someone voted "Kevin Durant" :lol:

TorontoBarneys · Post #26 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 1:27 pm

I agree, Scottie is simultaneously overrated and underrated.

Tofubeque · Post #27 » by **Tofubeque** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 3:06 pm

Wonder what goes on in Charlotte to earn a blowout for worst organization over Washington, New Orleans, all the tanking teams this year.

Same with Brian Keefe, I forgot who he even was.

JB7 · Post #28 » by **JB7** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:12 pm

The real points of interest are where most voted. Everything else is just noise (individuals with personal beefs). But clearly the players don't think that highly of OKC, Cavs, or Haliburton.

And the threats from gamblers is obviously getting to be too much.

ArthurVandelay · Post #29 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:31 pm

pbernardi wrote:Five Years from now, who will be the face of the league?

Someone voted "Kevin Durant"

Maybe Silver goes all Vince MacMahon and KD steps in like HHH??? :nod:

TheGeneral99 · Post #30 » by **TheGeneral99** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 5:48 pm

Tofubeque wrote:Wonder what goes on in Charlotte to earn a blowout for worst organization over Washington, New Orleans, all the tanking teams this year.

Same with Brian Keefe, I forgot who he even was.

Charlotte is not a great city and have been so bad for so long with a lot dysfunction.

3 playoff appearances and all 1st round exits since 2005. No appearances in the last 9 years. Their best season in the last 25 years was 48 wins.

ForeverTFC · Post #31 » by **ForeverTFC** » Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:12 pm

pbernardi wrote:Five Years from now, who will be the face of the league?

Someone voted "Kevin Durant"

I took this as confirmation that Ant was one of the voters

mihaic · Post #32 » by **mihaic** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 3:55 am

Tor_Raps wrote:We The Irrelevant!

Cellophane, Mr Cellophane,
You can walk right by me,
See right through me,
And never know I'm there

Ironically, Chicago is also the irrelevant.

We are on the treadmill of the anonymous players' survey (not bad and not good).

sidsid · Post #33 » by **sidsid** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 2:53 pm

Tofubeque wrote:Wonder what goes on in Charlotte to earn a blowout for worst organization over Washington, New Orleans, all the tanking teams this year.

Same with Brian Keefe, I forgot who he even was.

They've been hovering in and out of the worst zone for a team to be in forever when players think about a good situation. The back-end of the lottery.

Not a lot of playoffs to show for it, and a string of busts and controversies. Just a permanent bad vibes situation.

I'd argue the Bulls have been easily worse in terms of their moves and future, but those short sighted moves still landed then in the playoffs for a few years and players don't really care about the long term outlook.

The Wiz aren't that far removed from the Wall/Beal playoffs, and Detroit making the playoffs this year likely saved them from this list.

sidsid · Post #34 » by **sidsid** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 2:55 pm

The most disappointing thing about this survey is the season shortening result. To be expected I guess. You'd think wear and tear would be a little higher on the list than some extra millions.

kalel123 · Post #35 » by **kalel123** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 4:14 pm

JB7 wrote:The real points of interest are where most voted. Everything else is just noise (individuals with personal beefs). But clearly the players don't think that highly of OKC, Cavs, or Haliburton.

And the threats from gamblers is obviously getting to be too much.

I don't think it's necessarily that they don't think highly of Haliburton. It's that he was able to barely squeak into All-NBA for super max desperately trying to get 65+ games and now he's overpaid.

kalel123 · Post #36 » by **kalel123** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 4:17 pm

sidsid wrote:The most disappointing thing about this survey is the season shortening result. To be expected I guess. You'd think wear and tear would be a little higher on the list than some extra millions.

Not sure how you would think that looking at how these guys have acted all these years. Most of them are all about the money and as much as they complain about regular season being too long, they'll never agree to shorten it if it threatens their pocketbook, which is given due to reduction of BRI.

Tofubeque · Post #37 » by **Tofubeque** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 6:55 pm

sidsid wrote:The most disappointing thing about this survey is the season shortening result. To be expected I guess. You'd think wear and tear would be a little higher on the list than some extra millions.

It's a bit of a leading question. If they asked "Would you support ending the league's gambling partnerships if it meant a reduction in your salary" that answer would probably also be 80% no.

The argument the NBPA would have to make is that it's not a zero-sum game. The league just signed a massive TV deal. The owners could take valuations that go up by like 250% instead of 300%, salary cap raises could stay the same, and in the long term the game would be in a healthier place with more credibility and viewers who aren't all broke from gambling.

sidsid · Post #38 » by **sidsid** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 8:01 pm

Tofubeque wrote:
sidsid wrote:The most disappointing thing about this survey is the season shortening result. To be expected I guess. You'd think wear and tear would be a little higher on the list than some extra millions.

It's a bit of a leading question. If they asked "Would you support ending the league's gambling partnerships if it meant a reduction in your salary" that answer would probably also be 80% no.

The argument the NBPA would have to make is that it's not a zero-sum game. The league just signed a massive TV deal. The owners could take valuations that go up by like 250% instead of 300%, salary cap raises could stay the same, and in the long term the game would be in a healthier place with more credibility and viewers who aren't all broke from gambling.

Agreed that there are ways to mitigate the impact. But there likely isn't a way to make the math work where it comes out on the positive side of the ledger. My own proposal to cut a net 12 games (cut 22 reg season, add 10 playoff style games) in a quantity for quality swap still wouldn't make up the difference.

Mitigation could sway players a bit, but this would be eating into the owners pockets, and they don't actually play the games. You'd need the players to actively demand it in negotiations. All the leagues have done recently is add games (NFL, MLB and NBA), if you don't consider preseason as counting.

JB7 · Post #39 » by **JB7** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 8:25 pm

kalel123 wrote:
JB7 wrote:The real points of interest are where most voted. Everything else is just noise (individuals with personal beefs). But clearly the players don't think that highly of OKC, Cavs, or Haliburton.

And the threats from gamblers is obviously getting to be too much.

I don't think it's necessarily that they don't think highly of Haliburton. It's that he was able to barely squeak into All-NBA for super max desperately trying to get 65+ games and now he's overpaid.

Sorry, yes, to clarify, players clearly don't think Haliburton is worth what he is getting paid.

And despite the seasons the Cavs and OKC had, players don't really see them as legit as Boston.

PushDaRock · Post #40 » by **PushDaRock** » Thu Apr 24, 2025 8:36 pm

sidsid wrote:The most disappointing thing about this survey is the season shortening result. To be expected I guess. You'd think wear and tear would be a little higher on the list than some extra millions.

We are always thinking of the guys on their 2nd contracts and guys that have made a bunch of money, but over half of the league is just trying to stick around and needs to make every dime possible while they are in the league.