What is the plan here?

[VanWest82]

2015 Hawks set up. See how far that takes us. Win and we improve the marketability/tradeability of our players. Lose and we retool. We're likely too good and too deep to turn back now, even if this team doesn't make a lot of sense.

[dTox]

We're building around Scottie, is that it? I held out hope that Scottie was just a placeholder "franchise player" until we get a top 5-6 pick (pushing Scottie to a number 2 or 3 option) but now that's out the window, where does this team go from here? If Brandon freaking Ingram is our best player over the next 2-3 seasons, we are in for a very long ride. Something has to give



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Treadmill with 1st round exits the next 3-4 years, Scottie walks or we trade him on an expiring with no leverage, after trading away another FRP to try and compete, only to have it spectacularly blow up in our faces again.

We got our chip by stockpiling valuable assets, we have moved away from that and are stockpiling SRP level players, and cast off players that other franchises have no interest in.

The team will absolutely be more watchable, and they will have a modicum of success, the "I just want to see the team win" crowd will be happy, and we will continue to be irrelevant while people point to our record in a weak east. The earth continues to spin.

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Basically the Chris Bosh Raptors.

Which is fun to watch when you a college student who wants something else to moan about.

But when you're a married adult you have no interest wasting your time watchiing because you no its a path to nowhere. The prototypical Treadmill.

Damn this really hit home, especially because I was in uni during the Bosh years and had unlimited amount of energy to watch every single raptors game, even through the darkest of times, I just don't have it in me anymore. The past 2 years, is the least number of games I have watched since the late 90's. I guess I'm trying to use this thread to see how I can justify coming back to watch the games again on a regular basis

[wegotthabeet]

Scottie was a top 5-6 player...

Folks are banking way too much on the lottery. We built our best team drafting well and acquiring and developing players. We'll do the same thing here.

And then consolidating them for a true star. It’s the only option for 80% of the league. You can’t build a team via free agency or the draft really. You can only accumulate and pray.

[Matty]

Treadmill with 1st round exits the next 3-4 years, Scottie walks or we trade him on an expiring with no leverage, after trading away another FRP to try and compete, only to have it spectacularly blow up in our faces again.

We got our chip by stockpiling valuable assets, we have moved away from that and are stockpiling SRP level players, and cast off players that other franchises have no interest in.

The team will absolutely be more watchable, and they will have a modicum of success, the "I just want to see the team win" crowd will be happy, and we will continue to be irrelevant while people point to our record in a weak east. The earth continues to spin.

`
Basically the Chris Bosh Raptors.

Which is fun to watch when you a college student who wants something else to moan about.

But when you're a married adult you have no interest wasting your time watchiing because you no its a path to nowhere. The prototypical Treadmill.

Damn this really hit home, especially because I was in uni during the Bosh years and had unlimited amount of energy to watch every single raptors game, even through the darkest of times, I just don't have it in me anymore. The past 2 years, is the least number of games I have watched since the late 90's. I guess I'm trying to use this thread to see how I can justify coming back to watch the games again on a regular basis

100% same like you. Watched through some of the most horrendous stretch of basketball in the earlys 2010s and joined this forum to bitch and moan with a community about this team as an outlet to get me through the college years.

Stopped watching after Lowry left. Its like the soul of the team left with him.

Maybe in the future I come back as a regular fan, highly unlikely though.

[disoblige]

Masai promised a proper rebuild. More like he is trying to win asap to keep his job.

[NinjaBro]

There is no plan

[bape_lovers]

Ingram is 2nd, Scottie is 4th, rj 3rd, potel 9th, apart from IQ , we have 4 of top guys top 10 picks, but somehow that’s not enough, everyone is depressed lol

Scottie was a top 5-6 player...

Folks are banking way too much on the lottery. We built our best team drafting well and acquiring and developing players. We'll do the same thing here.

[kalel123]

They are probably going to try to build similar to DeRozan/Lowry years. What else can they do at this point? Build depth around the core of IQ/Ingram/Barnes. Poeltl and Barrett round out top 5 unless Barrett gets traded for a better fit. You still draft BPA at #9, preferrably a big. Then we got bunch of decent young players you hope grows with the team and eventually some of them gets consolidated into better talent down the line.

Next year's goal should be top 6 or 7/8 play-in at minimum. IMO failing at that should trigger a wipe out and start over properly from top to bottom. Probably not going to happen but IMO this team has way too many question marks with price tag that is way too high to have them. So it's more likely they will fail than succeed.

[Tha Cynic]

We're building around Scottie, is that it? I held out hope that Scottie was just a placeholder "franchise player" until we get a top 5-6 pick (pushing Scottie to a number 2 or 3 option) but now that's out the window, where does this team go from here? If Brandon freaking Ingram is our best player over the next 2-3 seasons, we are in for a very long ride. Something has to give

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We weren't drafting a better player than Barnes with the 5th or 6th pick in this year's draft - we were going to hope the player would at least be better than Quickley or RJ Barrett.

Nothing really changes as this draft is pretty flat after the top 2. There are a lot of players with major flaws in the top 10 and I think the biggest thing about this draft is the size of the players projected in the top 10. The other issue I see is that most of these guys seem very one dimensional. I find them very underwhelming for what we came into the season looking forward to. In today's NBA smaller players do succeed more, but to me, chances of them being gamechangers is still low. Hopefully we get a steal.

I think this simply means we keep developing like we did during the Lowry years and there's a much higher probability that we see a major trade from the Raptors soon. I expect this team to be a playoff team next season and a lot more fun to watch.

Oh and the East is still very weak lol

[rapz101]

I think losing out on this pick was devastating, not sure how you guys can continue rationalizing the next step when we’ve been given rotten smelly lemons.

On that note, if the player we pick at 9 turns out to be a star, I can shut up and just be happy how it went down. But right now, this absolutely stinks.

[disoblige]

I think losing out on this pick was devastating, not sure how you guys can continue rationalizing the next step when we’ve been given rotten smelly lemons.

On that note, if the player we pick at 9 turns out to be a star, I can shut up and just be happy how it went down. But right now, this absolutely stinks.

Some post are shill. There's MLSE employees in realgm.

[DelAbbot]

Masai: "We have a concept of a plan. And it's all going well according to it"

[AbC?]

The plan is treadmill and hope for an unexpected breakthrough. Win the draft like Dallas did, hit on a late lotto pick (Booker/Shai etc) or late pick like Siakam. Barring that you spin your wheels for a few years, flame out and naturally end up near the bottom of the league again. Pretty bleak.

[ItsDanger]

Make a trade to help the Lakers, then win the lottery.

[Westside Gunn]

I can't complain about having a 9th pick along with Ingram, RJ, IQ, Scottie Barnes, and Dick.

The franchise seems to be in good shape.

[Scase]

We're building around Scottie, is that it? I held out hope that Scottie was just a placeholder "franchise player" until we get a top 5-6 pick (pushing Scottie to a number 2 or 3 option) but now that's out the window, where does this team go from here? If Brandon freaking Ingram is our best player over the next 2-3 seasons, we are in for a very long ride. Something has to give



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Treadmill with 1st round exits the next 3-4 years, Scottie walks or we trade him on an expiring with no leverage, after trading away another FRP to try and compete, only to have it spectacularly blow up in our faces again.

We got our chip by stockpiling valuable assets, we have moved away from that and are stockpiling SRP level players, and cast off players that other franchises have no interest in.

The team will absolutely be more watchable, and they will have a modicum of success, the "I just want to see the team win" crowd will be happy, and we will continue to be irrelevant while people point to our record in a weak east. The earth continues to spin.

`
Basically the Chris Bosh Raptors.

Which is fun to watch when you a college student who wants something else to moan about.

But when you're a married adult you have no interest wasting your time watchiing because you no its a path to nowhere. The prototypical Treadmill.

Bingo, my time and money is earned, not freely given. The NBA product as a whole has gotten worse, and now having a team that has zero path to being anything more than cannon fodder for properly built teams, is just not worth my time.

Ingram is 2nd, Scottie is 4th, rj 3rd, potel 9th, apart from IQ , we have 4 of top guys top 10 picks, but somehow that’s not enough, everyone is depressed lol

Scottie was a top 5-6 player...

Folks are banking way too much on the lottery. We built our best team drafting well and acquiring and developing players. We'll do the same thing here.

Anthony Bennet was a 1st OA pick, lets go get him, using your "logic" we'll be on the path to a chip.

[Appostis]

The Raptors never put all their eggs in one basket.
They weren't the wizards.. they weren't the Jazz.

Last year they added a ton of depth in that rookie class with truthfully three or four players that could be rotation players as well as Ingram which could just work with Scottie.

The top four draft pick this year would have just really help shore up that vision and give us another chance at a breakout player.. and we still might get a stud.

See who's available at 9, see how this current roster gels together now that we're finally healthy.

Is it the best possible situation no but it's far from the worst

[Tor_Raps]

There is no plan you just keep asset building and hope for better results....Also the childish people saying in threads "Oh we laughing at team tank" As if we are the ones on this board controlling the direction of the team is going in....We have just been a bad to mid team....Masai is the one who went this direction because he himself knows we need a influx of talent to come somewhere and the draft has always and will always be the Raptors best friend regardless where we are picking...

Trades are not as easy anymore due to stars hand picking their destinations....Like Giannis he will hand pick where he wants to go....Prolly Spurs/Houston/OKC or one of the big market teams...

Raptors are very limited in ways to upgrade the roster and alot will harp on getting draft picks right...Even if we fell to 9th we just gotta hope Masai gets the pick right...

But yeah we are far away from contending still...We might be a fringe playoff team next year but theres not much to be overly excited about.

So basically do the OKC path and accumalte draft picks while going full tank mode.

Honestly for markets like Toronto that is our only hope. This current rostere is just delaying the inevitable.

We are doing nothing like what OKC did. They blatantly tanked and accumulated assets for a few years whereas the Raptors have exactly 0 1st Round Picks that aren't their own, nor do we have a real franchise player lol.

[Matty]

Treadmill with 1st round exits the next 3-4 years, Scottie walks or we trade him on an expiring with no leverage, after trading away another FRP to try and compete, only to have it spectacularly blow up in our faces again.

We got our chip by stockpiling valuable assets, we have moved away from that and are stockpiling SRP level players, and cast off players that other franchises have no interest in.

The team will absolutely be more watchable, and they will have a modicum of success, the "I just want to see the team win" crowd will be happy, and we will continue to be irrelevant while people point to our record in a weak east. The earth continues to spin.

`
Basically the Chris Bosh Raptors.

Which is fun to watch when you a college student who wants something else to moan about.

But when you're a married adult you have no interest wasting your time watchiing because you no its a path to nowhere. The prototypical Treadmill.

Bingo, my time and money is earned, not freely given. The NBA product as a whole has gotten worse, and now having a team that has zero path to being anything more than cannon fodder for properly built teams, is just not worth my time.

One thing I will apprieciate about the Kyle Lowry era is the leadership and OGness in the way he played the game and demanded of his teammates.

I just can't tolerate most NBA teams because they have the aura of a high school kids at YMCA just playing YOLO 3s.

[bape_lovers]

I’m going to post this over and over again if cooper doesn’t pan out.

Treadmill with 1st round exits the next 3-4 years, Scottie walks or we trade him on an expiring with no leverage, after trading away another FRP to try and compete, only to have it spectacularly blow up in our faces again.

We got our chip by stockpiling valuable assets, we have moved away from that and are stockpiling SRP level players, and cast off players that other franchises have no interest in.

The team will absolutely be more watchable, and they will have a modicum of success, the "I just want to see the team win" crowd will be happy, and we will continue to be irrelevant while people point to our record in a weak east. The earth continues to spin.

`
Basically the Chris Bosh Raptors.

Which is fun to watch when you a college student who wants something else to moan about.

But when you're a married adult you have no interest wasting your time watchiing because you no its a path to nowhere. The prototypical Treadmill.

Bingo, my time and money is earned, not freely given. The NBA product as a whole has gotten worse, and now having a team that has zero path to being anything more than cannon fodder for properly built teams, is just not worth my time.

Ingram is 2nd, Scottie is 4th, rj 3rd, potel 9th, apart from IQ , we have 4 of top guys top 10 picks, but somehow that’s not enough, everyone is depressed lol

Scottie was a top 5-6 player...

Folks are banking way too much on the lottery. We built our best team drafting well and acquiring and developing players. We'll do the same thing here.

Anthony Bennet was a 1st OA pick, lets go get him, using your "logic" we'll be on the path to a chip.