Raptors Are Desperate for Offense + Initiator: The Case for a sleeper who may slip to 9#

[Rapsfan07]

Rj+gradey+shead+2nd for another 1st round pick in this draft absolutely lost me. Im out.

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No to Shead. And that's an overpay for a 1st.

I still think RJ or Dick to Orlando has legs.

I agree.

I wouldn't move Barrett quite yet but Dick to Orlando for #17 I think is a fair deal for everyone.

[Duffman100]

Rj+gradey+shead+2nd for another 1st round pick in this draft absolutely lost me. Im out.

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No to Shead. And that's an overpay for a 1st.

I still think RJ or Dick to Orlando has legs.

I agree.

I wouldn't move Barrett quite yet but Dick to Orlando for #17 I think is a fair deal for everyone.

I think Orlando would ask for a bit more value (the 39th?) . Same with the Lively deal.

I'm a fan of Dick but his defense is so bad that his offense needs to take a signicant leap for him to be a rotation player. With the lost 2 years of control, I think Orlando would hesitate on that swap.

[Basketball_Jones]

Kon better be the next Banes with those t-Rex arms

[Rapsfan07]

No to Shead. And that's an overpay for a 1st.

I still think RJ or Dick to Orlando has legs.

I agree.

I wouldn't move Barrett quite yet but Dick to Orlando for #17 I think is a fair deal for everyone.

I think Orlando would ask for a bit more value (the 39th?) . Same with the Lively deal.

I'm a fan of Dick but his defense is so bad that his offense needs to take a signicant leap for him to be a rotation player. With the lost 2 years of control, I think Orlando would hesitate on that swap.

Then it's probably a no for me with Orlando. We need that 39th pick to shore up our C rotation

[LoveMyRaps]

Kon is underrated because of his "aesthetics".

The guy is hooper. If you paid attention to him all season, you'd know that.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think Kon is gone before 9 anyway
Will be a solid pro

[Indeed]

Kon is underrated because of his "aesthetics".

The guy is hooper. If you paid attention to him all season, you'd know that.

Still don't see how he is a tier above Jakucionis.
Both Knueppel and Jakucionis have similar numbers in at rim and mid range shots.
Knueppel shot better from 3 with 90% assisted.
Jakucionis shot average from 3 with 37% assisted.

Meanwhile, no way Knueppel has a PG handle, but Jakucionis should have a better handle, yet neither of them have the quickness to create off the bounce for themselves, mainly attacking closeout or through PnR.

To me, both of them should be in the same tier.

[wegotthabeet]

Kon feels more like a Klay Thompson with zero defense than a Luka light. Some people are really high on him. We’ll see.

[LoveMyRaps]

Kon feels more like a Klay Thompson with zero defense than a Luka light. Some people are really high on him. We’ll see.

Kon is actually a pretty decent defender.

[wegotthabeet]

Kon feels more like a Klay Thompson with zero defense than a Luka light. Some people are really high on him. We’ll see.

Kon is actually a pretty decent defender.

Really, like a + defender?

Do you think he'll be noticeably better on D than Dick or RJ? If so then he becomes far more intriguing prospect. He could be a star. I wouldn't rule it out, but I obviously need to do a deeper dive.

[LoveMyRaps]

Kon feels more like a Klay Thompson with zero defense than a Luka light. Some people are really high on him. We’ll see.

Kon is actually a pretty decent defender.

Really, like a + defender?

Do you think he'll be noticeably better on D than Dick or RJ? If so then he becomes far more intriguing prospect. He could be a star. I wouldn't rule it out, but I obviously need to do a deeper dive.

Oh ya for sure. A loooooot better than Dick, but that's not hard to do.

Kon is a pretty solid team defender. He's honestly very similar to Lowry/Fred IMO in that sense, but a taller and better version? Strong base, can hold his ground, knows where to be and direct teammates, etc.

Just a smart defender.

[Psubs]

Really? What would be the trade package?

I don't know. But RJ, Dick, and Shead plus our 2nd seems steep for another 1st (assuming it was meant to be a mid rounder).

Shead was one of the best backup point guards last year. I don't want to let that go yet.

we definitely not trading Shead

However, it really depends.
considering salary matching, is there a deal where magic gives up the FRP for RJ?

I can see a Gradey for Lively trade for sure though

If they stress defense then they shouldn't value Dick that much. Ochai and Dick for Lively and Olivier-Maxence Prosper (salary filler)?

PG Kyrie - Marshall
SG Klay - Ochai - Christie
SF Flagg - Dick / Martin
PF Washington - Flagg
C Gafford - Washington - Powell

[Indeed]

Kon is actually a pretty decent defender.

Really, like a + defender?

Do you think he'll be noticeably better on D than Dick or RJ? If so then he becomes far more intriguing prospect. He could be a star. I wouldn't rule it out, but I obviously need to do a deeper dive.

Oh ya for sure. A loooooot better than Dick, but that's not hard to do.

Kon is a pretty solid team defender. He's honestly very similar to Lowry/Fred IMO in that sense, but a taller and better version? Strong base, can hold his ground, knows where to be and direct teammates, etc.

Just a smart defender.

No he is not, the game I watched he gave up driving lane
He was good when switched against PF in the block, as the Duke switched heavily. However, he is not going to switch against PF in the NBA, and his perimeter defense was mixed against guards. Duke has other 3 or 4 players being plus defenders.

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[earthtone]

I previously asked these questions:
1) Why is Bailey better than Bryant?
2) Why is Knueppell better than Jakucionis?

I don't see you contributed much on the draft thread, so how many games did you watch on those players?

I’m with you on Kon/Jak, I think they’re in the same tier of prospect and wouldn’t be surprised if some teams have Jak over Kon. Jak has way more skill as an initiator, playmaker, and off-the-dribble shooter, and I think Jak would be successful scaled down to Kon’s role, but don’t think Kon would be successful if he had Jak’s responsibilities.

Bailey over Bryant is pretty simple though, Bailey played more and produced more while being almost a year younger. Bryant has a ton of potential, but it’s largely theoretical right now and based on flashes. Bailey was #1 or #2 on the scouting report every game and averaged 17.6 ppg on a tough shot diet, he’s a level above Bryant based off what they’ve shown so far

[Thaddy]

The way y'all call me ThadGPT you'd expect people to call out OP on that lol. Topic isn't in this draft class ROFL

I think the pick is Traore if we want an initiator. I don't see anyone else with his size and burst combination. The shooting is improving too.

[Rapsfan07]

I think Kon is gone before 9 anyway
Will be a solid pro

Yeah, I don't think he makes it to 9 either.

Someone will take him before that. I see some Joe Ingles there.

Just a glue guy who can do a bit of everything. Should have a fairly long career if everything breaks his way.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think Kon is gone before 9 anyway
Will be a solid pro

Yeah, I don't think he makes it to 9 either.

Someone will take him before that. I see some Joe Ingles there.

Just a glue guy who can do a bit of everything. Should have a fairly long career if everything breaks his way.

I kind of think the stockyness will help him early
On vs a guy like gradey who still has a high school body.
Both fun players. I still believe in gradey. Hoping he has a nice year.

[ATLTimekeeper]

No to Shead. And that's an overpay for a 1st.

I still think RJ or Dick to Orlando has legs.

I agree.

I wouldn't move Barrett quite yet but Dick to Orlando for #17 I think is a fair deal for everyone.

I think Orlando would ask for a bit more value (the 39th?) . Same with the Lively deal.

I'm a fan of Dick but his defense is so bad that his offense needs to take a signicant leap for him to be a rotation player. With the lost 2 years of control, I think Orlando would hesitate on that swap.

Your always more likely to not even get an NBA player at 17, so I would turn down that deal. Gradey had a great start to last year and needs to build off that. I can understand selling potential for wins, but not potential for less potential.

[Scizzup]

I agree.

I wouldn't move Barrett quite yet but Dick to Orlando for #17 I think is a fair deal for everyone.

I think Orlando would ask for a bit more value (the 39th?) . Same with the Lively deal.

I'm a fan of Dick but his defense is so bad that his offense needs to take a signicant leap for him to be a rotation player. With the lost 2 years of control, I think Orlando would hesitate on that swap.

Your always more likely to not even get an NBA player at 17, so I would turn down that deal. Gradey had a great start to last year and needs to build off that. I can understand selling potential for wins, but not potential for less potential.

Picks that ain't been made yet are more "valuable" then picks or players that have been selected. Its the whole ideal of draft picks. Gradey might be good in the future but he has just 2 years left on rookie scale without much growth imo. Orlando won't trade their pick for that. They much rather get a proven vet or just select the rookie.

also, from what I seen and heard this draft is a bit deeper than 2023 draft. So could be value there.

[S.W.A.N]

Kon is probably the safest pick in the 5-12 range. But his skillset has a lot of overlap on this team. And to be honest I think JaKobe Walter is the better prospect.

Fears/Yak/Khaman/Queen/Noa/Bryant/Fleming all have skillsets that we need more than Kons. As long as they are all in the same tier (I think basically everyone from 3-15 is in two tiers max) I go with the guy that has the skillsets needed most.

If the team decides Kon is the guy, I won't hate. He'll be a very solid nba player but I don't think he'll fall or that we'd take him above the afore mentioned guys if they in same tier.