[Charania] Davion Mitchell Returning To Miami - 2 Years $24m

[WuTang_CMB]

Good deal for him

[S.W.A.N]

Good for him. He fits Miami well. They don't need much offense just hard nose D.

[MoneyBall]

This is a bit below the MLE. Headline number looks big but it's what guys like him have always been paid as % of the cap.

Guys like him? He's an end of bench guy.

Not on the Heat. He’s a rotation role player. That’s like the 80tj percentile outcome of an MLE signing. Check the history.

You're assuming the very thing that's being disputed. I actually don't think he's good, or reliable enough to be a regular rotation guy. He's admittedly a better fit on the Heat, but can we at least agree he wasn't worth that much on the Raptors?

[ForeverTFC]

Guys like him? He's an end of bench guy.

Not on the Heat. He’s a rotation role player. That’s like the 80tj percentile outcome of an MLE signing. Check the history.

You're assuming the very thing that's being disputed. I actually don't think he's good, or reliable enough to be a regular rotation guy. He's admittedly a better fit on the Heat, but can we at least agree he wasn't worth that much on the Raptors?

That you don’t think he’s good enough for the role is not really relevant - and btw I’m probably more on your side of things on this vs the Heat. He played 30mpg for the Heat last year, was starting for them towards the end of the season. For what they are slotting him in to do, this is pretty standard money. That’s all I was saying.

[DreamTeam09]

Guys like him? He's an end of bench guy.

Not on the Heat. He’s a rotation role player. That’s like the 80tj percentile outcome of an MLE signing. Check the history.

You're assuming the very thing that's being disputed. I actually don't think he's good, or reliable enough to be a regular rotation guy. He's admittedly a better fit on the Heat, but can we at least agree he wasn't worth that much on the Raptors?

Even if he's not worth 12 on the raps doesn't mean he doesn't deserve 12 from another team. He's one of the best PG defenders in the NBA, that is a skill and a talent & valuable. Every team could use that & he was good on the Raptors, his offense & jumper is streaky to non existent which is why he why the fit would be difficult here, but to another team who could mask for his offensive limitations while utilizing his defensive abilities, then where's the beef?

[MoneyBall]

Not on the Heat. He’s a rotation role player. That’s like the 80tj percentile outcome of an MLE signing. Check the history.

You're assuming the very thing that's being disputed. I actually don't think he's good, or reliable enough to be a regular rotation guy. He's admittedly a better fit on the Heat, but can we at least agree he wasn't worth that much on the Raptors?

Even if he's not worth 12 on the raps doesn't mean he doesn't deserve 12 from another team. He's one of the best PG defenders in the NBA, that is a skill and a talent & valuable. Every team could use that & he was good on the Raptors, his offense & jumper is streaky to non existent which is why he why the fit would be difficult here, but to another team who could mask for his offensive limitations while utilizing his defensive abilities, then where's the beef?

There's no beef lol. I don't think he's worth that much because 1) I don't think he's as good as many others on this board thinks he is, and 2) there wasn't likely going to be a bidding war for him from other teams in the league. It's no big deal. Good for him, but I don't think the per year salary is good value.

Maybe the Heat is also thinking he'll be a good trade filler to match salaries when they inevitably need to make a trade.

[Pointgod]

This is what we should be looking to resign Ochai for. Mitchell fits “Heat Culture” like a glove.

Occhai is way more valuable than Davion. If we got him at 12 million per, I’d be surprised.

They’re the same type of defensive role player. Ochai should not be making more than MLE money (15 million this year).

[Zeno]

This is what we should be looking to resign Ochai for. Mitchell fits “Heat Culture” like a glove.

Occhai is way more valuable than Davion. If we got him at 12 million per, I’d be surprised.

They’re the same type of defensive role player. Ochai should not be making more than MLE money (15 million this year).

I agree with that. But there is a vast difference between 2 for 24 with a team option which is what I’m assuming and 4 for 60 with a player option which is my guess for an Occhai extension.

[mihaic]

This is what we should be looking to resign Ochai for. Mitchell fits “Heat Culture” like a glove.

Occhai is way more valuable than Davion. If we got him at 12 million per, I’d be surprised.

Ochai is RFA. I hope Bobby and his new boss, will stop bidding against themselves. A 12m multi-year might be enough for Ochai, I doubt he'll get a full Mle, if he gets it we can match it.

[Zeno]

This is what we should be looking to resign Ochai for. Mitchell fits “Heat Culture” like a glove.

Occhai is way more valuable than Davion. If we got him at 12 million per, I’d be surprised.

Ochai is RFA. I hope Bobby and his new boss, will stop bidding against themselves. A 12m multi-year might be enough for Ochai, I doubt he'll get a full Mle, if he gets it we can match it.

I am good with taking Occhai to restricted free agency if we get off some longterm money. However if you go into restricted free agency, he has another year like the last one and we are jammed up against the tax line other teams will view him as gettable because they will assume we won’t want to go into the tax. If we don’t have flexibility to match, we are better of trading him now if we aren’t extending him and getting cost certainty.

[Pointgod]

Occhai is way more valuable than Davion. If we got him at 12 million per, I’d be surprised.

They’re the same type of defensive role player. Ochai should not be making more than MLE money (15 million this year).

I agree with that. But there is a vast difference between 2 for 24 with a team option which is what I’m assuming and 4 for 60 with a player option which is my guess for an Occhai extension.

Im talking more about the amount vs the years. And it also depends on how well Ochai plays off the bench. In someone like NAW is going to get 4 for 60 or more from a team, I can’t see us paying a similar amount to Ochai unless he makes a significant leap.

[Zeno]

They’re the same type of defensive role player. Ochai should not be making more than MLE money (15 million this year).

I agree with that. But there is a vast difference between 2 for 24 with a team option which is what I’m assuming and 4 for 60 with a player option which is my guess for an Occhai extension.

Im talking more about the amount vs the years. And it also depends on how well Ochai plays off the bench. In someone like NAW is going to get 4 for 60 or more from a team, I can’t see us paying a similar amount to Ochai unless he makes a significant leap.

Years vs term is always important. Fred got max but not really and Hartenstein didn’t really get 27 million per because those deals were inflated by the shortness of the term and the team options on the end. Also this year there is near zero room to sign players in free agency around the league, teams need to make deals. Next year there projects to be way more space available. Getting the MLE this year does not equal getting it next year.

[DreamTeam09]

I agree with that. But there is a vast difference between 2 for 24 with a team option which is what I’m assuming and 4 for 60 with a player option which is my guess for an Occhai extension.

Im talking more about the amount vs the years. And it also depends on how well Ochai plays off the bench. In someone like NAW is going to get 4 for 60 or more from a team, I can’t see us paying a similar amount to Ochai unless he makes a significant leap.

Years vs term is always important. Fred got max but not really and Hartenstein didn’t really get 27 million per because those deals were inflated by the shortness of the term and the team options on the end. Also this year there is near zero room to sign players in free agency around the league, teams need to make deals. Next year there projects to be way more space available. Getting the MLE this year does not equal getting it next year.

Ochai is a not a player that teams try and poach in RFA,
Aaron Wiggins got 5yrs 45
Isaiah jie got 4yrs 48
Kenrich Williams got 4-28
Austin Reeves got 4yrs 53
The raps gave norm 4yrs-42

Ochai is not getting 60m from anyone

[Zeno]

Im talking more about the amount vs the years. And it also depends on how well Ochai plays off the bench. In someone like NAW is going to get 4 for 60 or more from a team, I can’t see us paying a similar amount to Ochai unless he makes a significant leap.

Years vs term is always important. Fred got max but not really and Hartenstein didn’t really get 27 million per because those deals were inflated by the shortness of the term and the team options on the end. Also this year there is near zero room to sign players in free agency around the league, teams need to make deals. Next year there projects to be way more space available. Getting the MLE this year does not equal getting it next year.

Ochai is a not a player that teams try and poach in RFA,
Aaron Wiggins got 5yrs 45
Isaiah jie got 4yrs 48
Kenrich Williams got 4-28
Austin Reeves got 4yrs 53
The raps gave norm 4yrs-42

Ochai is not getting 60m from anyone

Wait, you know that those players signed contracts over a number of years as the cap has continued to escalate dramatically, right? Also some of those players had team options on their previous deals that the team declined and voluntarily gave them an early raise to lower their number going forward. To compare contracts over years and varying situations like conditions were identical is not accurate at all.

[DreamTeam09]

Years vs term is always important. Fred got max but not really and Hartenstein didn’t really get 27 million per because those deals were inflated by the shortness of the term and the team options on the end. Also this year there is near zero room to sign players in free agency around the league, teams need to make deals. Next year there projects to be way more space available. Getting the MLE this year does not equal getting it next year.

Ochai is a not a player that teams try and poach in RFA,
Aaron Wiggins got 5yrs 45
Isaiah jie got 4yrs 48
Kenrich Williams got 4-28
Austin Reeves got 4yrs 53
The raps gave norm 4yrs-42

Ochai is not getting 60m from anyone

Wait, you know that those players signed contracts over a number of years as the cap has continued to escalate dramatically, right? Also some of those players had team options on their previous deals that the team declined and voluntarily gave them an early raise to lower their number going forward. To compare contracts over years and varying situations like conditions were identical is not accurate at all.

That's what players & agents do, they absolutely find comps around the league & go from there.
Okoro got 3-33 last year / anything over 48 would be considered an overpayment

[Tha Cynic]

I would have signed him and started him at PG and IQ at the 2, Moved RJ to the bench or traded for a backup 5. Too bad we didn’t have the space to keep him

[Zeno]

Ochai is a not a player that teams try and poach in RFA,
Aaron Wiggins got 5yrs 45
Isaiah jie got 4yrs 48
Kenrich Williams got 4-28
Austin Reeves got 4yrs 53
The raps gave norm 4yrs-42

Ochai is not getting 60m from anyone

Wait, you know that those players signed contracts over a number of years as the cap has continued to escalate dramatically, right? Also some of those players had team options on their previous deals that the team declined and voluntarily gave them an early raise to lower their number going forward. To compare contracts over years and varying situations like conditions were identical is not accurate at all.

That's what players & agents do, they absolutely find comps around the league & go from there.
Okoro got 3-33 last year / anything over 48 would be considered an overpayment

Comps only work when the situations under which the comp was established are comparable and only as a percentage of the cap. Okoro was in restricted free agency and there was near zero space around the league. His contract is also viewed negatively now and the cap will have risen twice by 10% over the two years from which he signed the deal.

[Jerry Lucas]

If the Raptors had been successful at moving RJ in the Ingram deal, they would have had room under the tax to keep and re-sign Davion if they wanted to.

When they couldn't make that happen they probably knew they wouldn't be able to re-sign him, and that's why they traded him to Miami.

[Thaddy]

We should have traded Boucher and kept Mitchell. We could have flipped him for a better asset later on and let him compete with Shead.

This is why pulling the plug on Agbaji is a bad idea. Agbaji, Dick, Walter, Martin and Battle will sharpen each other.

We can flip players later on. We haven't made any good selling trades in a long time.

[sbsat]

The kings are such a dumb team tbh