NBA GM’s Draft Performance (Masai receives an “A”)

[bluerap23]

If true that Bobby and Dan wanted CMB and Masai wanted Maluach, I'm feeling ok

That was your take away from this post?

No - my takeaway since Masai was fired was: WELP - there goes a real **** legend that was fired because of some combination of racism, cheapness and personality conflict.

My comment is pure cope

[YogurtProducer]

If true that Bobby and Dan wanted CMB and Masai wanted Maluach, I'm feeling ok

That was your take away from this post?

No - my takeaway since Masai was fired was: WELP - there goes a real **** legend that was fired because of some combination of racism, cheapness and personality conflict.

My comment is pure cope

So how does us taking the guy Masai didn't want make you feel ok?

[Quattro]

If true that Bobby and Dan wanted CMB and Masai wanted Maluach, I'm feeling ok

Where did you hear that

[bluerap23]

That was your take away from this post?

No - my takeaway since Masai was fired was: WELP - there goes a real **** legend that was fired because of some combination of racism, cheapness and personality conflict.

My comment is pure cope

So how does us taking the guy Masai didn't want make you feel ok?

Based on a handful of summer league game lol, I think Masai was wrong in this case. I'm siding with Bobby and Dan.

[bluerap23]

If true that Bobby and Dan wanted CMB and Masai wanted Maluach, I'm feeling ok

Where did you hear that

I believe it was reported by Marc Stein (probably a Pelley leak).

[WuTang_CMB]

No - my takeaway since Masai was fired was: WELP - there goes a real **** legend that was fired because of some combination of racism, cheapness and personality conflict.

My comment is pure cope

So how does us taking the guy Masai didn't want make you feel ok?

I think Masai was wrong in this case. I'm siding with Bobby and Dan.

This sounds all made up.
They didn't even work out Maluach.

And according to PHX, since they talked to Rich Paul who wanted him in PHX, TOR had no serious interest in selecting him at 9.

Masai stayed on board to finish the draft because they were all dead set on CMB at 9

[bluerap23]

So how does us taking the guy Masai didn't want make you feel ok?

I think Masai was wrong in this case. I'm siding with Bobby and Dan.

This sounds all made up.
They didn't even work out Maluach.

And according to PHX, since they talked to Rich Paul who wanted him in PHX, TOR had no serious interest in selecting him at 9.

Masai stayed on board to finish the draft because they were all dead set on CMB at 9

I've read that he wasn't able to workout for Toronto because of visa problem. But Masai had scouted him. Still - I agree this may just be bs.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think Masai was wrong in this case. I'm siding with Bobby and Dan.

This sounds all made up.
They didn't even work out Maluach.

And according to PHX, since they talked to Rich Paul who wanted him in PHX, TOR had no serious interest in selecting him at 9.

Masai stayed on board to finish the draft because they were all dead set on CMB at 9

I've read that he wasn't able to workout for Toronto because of visa problem. But Masai had scouted him. Still - I agree this may just be bs.

Then they would have done the buffalo route. But it sounds like both sides didn’t want it.

[Boogie!]

Bobby was GM after 2017.

This is dumb.

Masai is the de facto GM and calls the shots
Think of bobby as the AGM

wtf does this even mean. If a guy is the president and the other guy is the gm, then those are their roles. Why are people making up roles

[YogurtProducer]

Bobby was GM after 2017.

This is dumb.

Masai is the de facto GM and calls the shots
Think of bobby as the AGM

wtf does this even mean. If a guy is the president and the other guy is the gm, then those are their roles. Why are people making up roles

How common was a Masai-esque President role?

I know plenty of organizations in real life where the same position across 5 different organizations can have wildly different responsibilities.

[Boogie!]

Masai is the de facto GM and calls the shots
Think of bobby as the AGM

wtf does this even mean. If a guy is the president and the other guy is the gm, then those are their roles. Why are people making up roles

How common was a Masai-esque President role?

I know plenty of organizations in real life where the same position across 5 different organizations can have wildly different responsibilities.

When people move up from a position like gm to president it’s because they no longer need to be the gm… that’s like saying when tim leiweke or whoever was the president when Masai was the gm was the one making the actual decisions. For some reason this narrative only applies to Masai I don’t understand it.

[Raps Next GM]

Step 1 is identifying undervalued skills and drafting the right guy, but step 2 is developing that player and the Raps have been great at that part as well. That's where they've had a real advantage over the pack.

A lot of teams believe that just accumulating picks is a success. But accumulating picks doesn't necessarily mean you going to hit more, it just means there's more guys that soak up resources to develop and more minutes you need to find for them. A lot of prospects on these bad teams just get lost in the shuffle or get stuck behind the new flashy first rounders that were just brought in.

The Raps have basically made the picks they've had and developed those players. They've found the right mix between vets and young players and the environment they've created has been an important factor in their success. Bobby and Masai have both mentioned multiple times that it's very hard to develop a lot of young guys at the same time properly. Focus on the guys you like, that's a lot more important than just prioritizing quantity.

100%!

Accumulating picks/prospects is meaningless if you’re not developing the talent. Teams are drafting players based on one or two years of amateur ball, but the crucial time in their trajectory is the two or three years after, when the franchise is responsible for development.

This is why organizations like Washington and Charlotte continue to flounder despite top picks, and teams like Toronto and Miami get gems later in the draft. It’s easy to say now that Siakam should have been a top-3 or Joker should have been #1. In a different organization without the development and patience and structure, they might have flopped.

You see it in all sports, the best organizations always somehow find these guys that look like steals and the bad teams always draft busts. That lays blame with the draft selection, but it’s not the slot, it’s the situation the player goes to.

It’s a bit of a nature vs. nurture situation. I don’t think Masai’s talent was necessarily being a better drafter — after all, that is mostly luck based on who the teams take in front of you — but Masai created a development system that was top notch and allowed guys like Siakam and O.G. to thrive, along with FVV.

Culture matters more than the best scouts and the best GM.

[WuTang_CMB]

Bobby was GM after 2017.

This is dumb.

Masai is the de facto GM and calls the shots
Think of bobby as the AGM

wtf does this even mean. If a guy is the president and the other guy is the gm, then those are their roles. Why are people making up roles

What's so confusing? look at the article. Do you think Bobby had final say on our draft? Or his boss? Lol
U guys get confused with titles.

[Jerry Lucas]

If true that Bobby and Dan wanted CMB and Masai wanted Maluach, I'm feeling ok

Where did you hear that

I believe it was reported by Marc Stein (probably a Pelley leak).

I've said this before in a previous post already, but that Stein Line report reeks of The Stein Line trying to cover themselves after how hard they kept pushing Maluach to Toronto if he drops to 9 smoke, only to miss big after Toronto passed on him.

[tecumseh18]

wtf does this even mean. If a guy is the president and the other guy is the gm, then those are their roles. Why are people making up roles

How common was a Masai-esque President role?

I know plenty of organizations in real life where the same position across 5 different organizations can have wildly different responsibilities.

When people move up from a position like gm to president it’s because they no longer need to be the gm… that’s like saying when tim leiweke or whoever was the president when Masai was the gm was the one making the actual decisions. For some reason this narrative only applies to Masai I don’t understand it.

How the duties are divvied is invariably going to be a matter of skill-sets. Bobby is a capologist/CBA-expert. Masai started as a scout. So how likely is it that Masai as president was responsible for cap management and Bobby as GM was responsible for drafts?

[Raps Next GM]

Where did you hear that

I believe it was reported by Marc Stein (probably a Pelley leak).

I've said this before in a previous post already, but that Stein Line report reeks of The Stein Line trying to cover themselves after how hard they kept pushing Maluach to Toronto if he drops to 9 smoke, only to miss big after Toronto passed on him.

I think you’re giving media types too much credit. A minuscule percentage remembers what they said so what’s the point in trying to cover your tracks?
Outside of a few passionate Raptors fans, no one remembers or even cares who Stein mocked to Toronto.

[Raps Next GM]

Masai is the de facto GM and calls the shots
Think of bobby as the AGM

wtf does this even mean. If a guy is the president and the other guy is the gm, then those are their roles. Why are people making up roles

What's so confusing? look at the article. Do you think Bobby had final say on our draft? Or his boss? Lol
U guys get confused with titles.

I too believe that is what it comes down to. Regardless of title, if Masai felt strongly enough about a player in spite of Webster’s opinion, Masai would have had veto power.
CMB may have been Bobby’s guy, but Masai either didn’t feel strongly enough to overturn it, or decided not to since he knew he was on the outs anyhow.

[WuTang_CMB]

I too believe that is what it comes down to. Regardless of title, if Masai felt strongly enough about a player in spite of Webster’s opinion, Masai would have had veto power.
CMB may have been Bobby’s guy, but Masai either didn’t feel strongly enough to overturn it, or decided not to since he knew he was on the outs anyhow.

I'll add this too why this is nonsense: Masai has been drafting the CMB archetype (athletic, long 2 way player, high motor) long before Bobby became GM.

[ForeverTFC]

Surprised at how low some other GMs are. Presti, Riley, and Myers are quite low on the list.

Masai had an incredible run. I like the last two drafts they had. I think they'll get a couple rotation players out of this group.

Presti is not an elite draft guy, he just gives himself a lot of shots on goal. Riley does well around the edges, but outside Bam, has he knocked it out of the park in the last 20 years? And Myers' owes much of his success to Jerry West - the true FO GOAT.

[ForeverTFC]

And yet over the past 5 years, he's been trading away draft capital in futile attempts to try (and mostly fail) to make the playoffs.

Or maybe, the guy that has shown himself to have impeccable taste in prospects didn't like his options in those spots?