[Grange] Should the Raptors get involved re: Trae Young?

[TravisScott55]

Only if it cost 0 draft picks

[djsunyc]

The problem is that we'd only get this year (and hopefully have him opted into next year) and then he's an expiring we'd have to pay. So if he does well, then we just rehab'd his image for the sake of someone else paying him, no?

what teams have space next season and would want him as their pg?

[kalel123]

Hell no. He gets paid way too much for such a defensive liability you'd have to overcompensate for so much. His offense isn't enough to offset because the dude takes way too many ill-advised low-percentage long shots in clutch.

[YogurtProducer]

Trae has even less value than IQ. The rumor for the Wiz deal was Trae and possibly draft capital from the Hawks for an expiring contract (KM or CJ). Trae is definitely picking up his option, as there is no way he is getting that money in FA.

I dont see any incentive for WAS to trade for Trae though

They have Bub, Bilal, and Johnson as guards, and are **** horrible - so why would they be giving up draft capital?

If I am ATL, and I have seen my team play pretty well without Trae, I think I would rather take some decent pieces because there is no chance you are tanking anyways with Jalen and Dyson and Okungwu all locked up. What are you even gonna use cap on

[dTox]

Dear God, no.

[Spates]

If we're taking risks I'd prefer Sabonis

[RaptorPride]

If we're taking risks I'd prefer Sabonis

Trust me you don't, his defence is pretty bad and offence will interfere with Barnes. He's also not some world class playmaker like Jokic. He's just way over paid for what he is. Him on an IQ contract I'm all for but not at his current contract. And we would need to keep jak to hide his weaknesses.

[Clutch0z24]

Trae is hot garbage. He’s simply a net negative player. Fun to watch and impressive offensively but his D is actually so awful that it more than negates the O.

Some team wil be desperate to make a play for him and extend him. It will be the worst contract in the league and Trae will set his next team back a decade.

Why do people say things like this with such confidence when it's verifiably false?

The Hawks are purposely sitting him, because they lose every time he is on the court.

They are talking about possibly attaching draft capital to him for an expiring contract.

That sounds like a negative asset to me.

They are trading him ofc they would not play him...Was Lowry a horrible player when we were sitting him when he was on the trade block?

They have to add picks Because at his Price tag its hard to find a team willing to give him an extension of 150 mill or w/e he will ask for....Does that mean he is a worse player than someone like IQ? Not even close to being the case....News flash we would also need to give up draft capital to get off IQ or Yak....No difference ...

Does that mean they are all horrible players? Not exactly....It means at the price tags they are all at teams do not think they are worth that price and taking up that much cap space on their teams....

[bobbyp3588]

Why do people say things like this with such confidence when it's verifiably false?

The Hawks are purposely sitting him, because they lose every time he is on the court.

They are talking about possibly attaching draft capital to him for an expiring contract.

That sounds like a negative asset to me.

They are trading him ofc they would not play him...Was Lowry a horrible player when we were sitting him when he was on the trade block?

They have to add picks Because at his Price tag its hard to find a team willing to give him an extension of 150 mill or w/e he will ask for....Does that mean he is a worse player than someone like IQ? Not even close to being the case....News flash we would also need to give up draft capital to get off IQ or Yak....No difference ...

Does that mean they are all horrible players? Not exactly....It means at the price tags they are all at teams do not think they are worth that price and taking up that much cap space on their teams....

Trae? Is that you?

Get a haircut while you’re at it. You might play better if you weren’t so busy worrying about us all noticing that you’re almost bald.

[Clutch0z24]

The Hawks are purposely sitting him, because they lose every time he is on the court.

They are talking about possibly attaching draft capital to him for an expiring contract.

That sounds like a negative asset to me.

They are trading him ofc they would not play him...Was Lowry a horrible player when we were sitting him when he was on the trade block?

They have to add picks Because at his Price tag its hard to find a team willing to give him an extension of 150 mill or w/e he will ask for....Does that mean he is a worse player than someone like IQ? Not even close to being the case....News flash we would also need to give up draft capital to get off IQ or Yak....No difference ...

Does that mean they are all horrible players? Not exactly....It means at the price tags they are all at teams do not think they are worth that price and taking up that much cap space on their teams....

Trae? Is that you?

Get a haircut while you’re at it. You might play better if you weren’t so busy worrying about us all noticing that you’re almost bald.

Making an obvious statement to the reason Young is in the situation he is in makes me Trae Young now? lol wtf....Its like saying RJ Barrett is a bad player....On a 20 mill deal RJ is good...At 38-40 mill a year....Not so much....Doesn't mean hes a bad player just not worth the price tag...

Contracts especially in todays NBA could make a player lose value especially with the new cap rules....Trae is not a bad player hes better than alot of players in the league....Just at the price tag many teams are not taking it....Same with teams that are gonna take IQ/Yak off us....No one is taking these two off our hands without picks attached on both of them....Because they are not worth the price tag and teams can use that cap space in better ways...

[HangTime]

facilitator role,
maybe get under tax, and get 2nd rounder

[ItsDanger]

Grange thinks IQ has negative trade value? Not too many here are challenging that I see. $32M was an overpayment.

[Los_29]

Grange thinks IQ has negative trade value? Not too many here are challenging that I see. $32M was an overpayment.

Unfortunately that was the market at the time. Suggs, Hartenstein, George, KCP, Claxton, OG, PWill. I don’t think any of those guys would get the same deals now.

[Johnny Bball]

You're destroying the leagues 5th best defense for what exactly.

Calling IQ's contract "baggage" and not pointing out that's exactly the problem in trading away Young is pretty odd.

If they can unload both Poeltl and Quickley's contracts AND get back a pick, I would say Atlanta's this year, and a promise that Young doesn't take his option, then maybe. Because I'm waiving Young outright when it happens. He can sign elsewhere for 10 mil and make some of it back.

Something like this might work for Toronto.

Quickly
Poeltl
Agbaji

Young
NAW
1st round pick 2026

Atlanta fans might think that's nuts but after the trade it would not be a great pick and they do have the NOP pick. But that would be the only way it works. Then Toronto is stuck finding a backup centre for the deadline. Which is not good.

All Toronto really gets here is a pick and a different type of PG that's cheaper. And cap space next year.

[CPT]

Trae has even less value than IQ. The rumor for the Wiz deal was Trae and possibly draft capital from the Hawks for an expiring contract (KM or CJ). Trae is definitely picking up his option, as there is no way he is getting that money in FA.

I dont see any incentive for WAS to trade for Trae though

They have Bub, Bilal, and Johnson as guards, and are **** horrible - so why would they be giving up draft capital?

If I am ATL, and I have seen my team play pretty well without Trae, I think I would rather take some decent pieces because there is no chance you are tanking anyways with Jalen and Dyson and Okungwu all locked up. What are you even gonna use cap on

Sometimes teams are just sick of being irrelevant.

He also might be the best they can get for those expiring veterans - especially if he's bringing a pick with him.

I don't know their exact situation in terms of ownership and front office competence, but it certainly seems like a thing the Wizards would do.

[YogurtProducer]

Trae has even less value than IQ. The rumor for the Wiz deal was Trae and possibly draft capital from the Hawks for an expiring contract (KM or CJ). Trae is definitely picking up his option, as there is no way he is getting that money in FA.

I dont see any incentive for WAS to trade for Trae though

They have Bub, Bilal, and Johnson as guards, and are **** horrible - so why would they be giving up draft capital?

If I am ATL, and I have seen my team play pretty well without Trae, I think I would rather take some decent pieces because there is no chance you are tanking anyways with Jalen and Dyson and Okungwu all locked up. What are you even gonna use cap on

Sometimes teams are just sick of being irrelevant.

He also might be the best they can get for those expiring veterans - especially if he's bringing a pick with him.

I don't know their exact situation in terms of ownership and front office competence, but it certainly seems like a thing the Wizards would do.

On the other hand - why is ATL giving up picks to get off Trae? They might as well keep him at that point.

[C Court]

No thanks. We’re good.

[TGM]

If we're taking risks I'd prefer Sabonis

Trust me you don't, his defence is pretty bad and offence will interfere with Barnes. He's also not some world class playmaker like Jokic. He's just way over paid for what he is. Him on an IQ contract I'm all for but not at his current contract. And we would need to keep jak to hide his weaknesses.

Disagree. Young is a world class playmaker. I think outside of John Stockton, Paul maybe Nash there hasn’t been such a strong passer as Young over the years

[JB7]

Trae has even less value than IQ. The rumor for the Wiz deal was Trae and possibly draft capital from the Hawks for an expiring contract (KM or CJ). Trae is definitely picking up his option, as there is no way he is getting that money in FA.

I dont see any incentive for WAS to trade for Trae though

They have Bub, Bilal, and Johnson as guards, and are **** horrible - so why would they be giving up draft capital?

If I am ATL, and I have seen my team play pretty well without Trae, I think I would rather take some decent pieces because there is no chance you are tanking anyways with Jalen and Dyson and Okungwu all locked up. What are you even gonna use cap on

I think the rumor was the Hawks were offering up draft capital, along with Trae for just the expiring deal from the Wiz. So the Wiz would get Trae and draft pick(s) from the Hawks. The draft pick(s) is the compensation for eating Trae's deal. Wiz then would see if they could rehab is value for a trade next season.

Trae is picking up his option for next season.

[JB7]

I dont see any incentive for WAS to trade for Trae though

They have Bub, Bilal, and Johnson as guards, and are **** horrible - so why would they be giving up draft capital?

If I am ATL, and I have seen my team play pretty well without Trae, I think I would rather take some decent pieces because there is no chance you are tanking anyways with Jalen and Dyson and Okungwu all locked up. What are you even gonna use cap on

Sometimes teams are just sick of being irrelevant.

He also might be the best they can get for those expiring veterans - especially if he's bringing a pick with him.

I don't know their exact situation in terms of ownership and front office competence, but it certainly seems like a thing the Wizards would do.

On the other hand - why is ATL giving up picks to get off Trae? They might as well keep him at that point.

Because Trae is hurting their chances at winning, and he does not seem like the type of player to be happy to be parked on the bench. They probably are that desperate to get him away from the team.