The real reasons we lost last night

[whysoserious]

sad reality is that our starting sg and sf combine for under 20 points a game and our "center" isnt even a center hes a very tall all sf that cant defend anyone under 300 pounds.. as good as bargs played lastnite the sad reality is that id still trade him for a box of cereal... b4 u guys start hatin on me let me just tell you id only trade him for the vector cereal so it would be a good trade.. bargs can put up 30 points anynite when he feels it but he couldnt come down with 10 boards if his life depended on it nor could he block with consistancy... period.. trade parker and bargs and get an allstar sg.. i heard mill is dumpin players... caugh REDD caugh

This is one of the worse posts ever regarding Bargs. We've seen him grab 10 boards in a game before, guess those don't matter. We've seen him block shots and his defense against opposing center's is actually quite good.

But keep hating.

[AVC]

Delfino should get a chance to start. Parker has been struggling and barring any big trades something needs to be shaken up. Being a slow-starter is no longer an excuse. The loyalty Smitch has for AP is remarkable given the yank he gives to everyone else. Parker has had one good game of late while delfino has had better games with less minutes. Delfino has the playmaker and aggressive characteristics we need. Now that Bargs has woken up and can pour in points, there's less pressure for the 2/3 to score and thus might be a good opportunity to try Delf. He always has good rebound numbers and if we emphasize penetration and off rebounds we could fill ours needs. Consistency develops with time and if we made a commitment to get Bargs going I think we should do the same with Delfino, Parker has had enough time...

[dagger]

sad reality is that our starting sg and sf combine for under 20 points a game and our "center" isnt even a center hes a very tall all sf that cant defend anyone under 300 pounds.. as good as bargs played lastnite the sad reality is that id still trade him for a box of cereal... b4 u guys start hatin on me let me just tell you id only trade him for the vector cereal so it would be a good trade.. bargs can put up 30 points anynite when he feels it but he couldnt come down with 10 boards if his life depended on it nor could he block with consistancy... period.. trade parker and bargs and get an allstar sg.. i heard mill is dumpin players... caugh REDD caugh

Ask Milwaukee fans what they think of Redd right now. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but he isn't delivering anything near to full value on his contract.

[DIEHARD_005]

I didn't watch the game and I'm only going by what's on the boxscore but here's my question:

Why did Mitchell leave AP on for 35+ mins when he was 2/11, but gave Kapono just over 10 mins and he went just 0/1 and didn't have a fair chance to get in rythm?

I understand AP was probably in the game for his D but I'm assuming he was guarding Rip Hamilton for most of the night. He didn't seem to contain him at all as Rip went 8/11 with 22 points.

[letsgofreeslice]

yes bargs had one game wit 10 rebounds my god hes amazing and one game with 2 blocks ohhh boy defensive player of the year! wow and read what i say b4 u talk back plz.. i said he can only defend players bigger and slower then him period... and the reason redd isnt playin as well as he could be is cause well hes in milwaukee lol.. a change is needed for him and it would be a good change..

[whysoserious]

yes bargs had one game wit 10 rebounds my god hes amazing and one game with 2 blocks ohhh boy defensive player of the year! wow and read what i say b4 u talk back plz.. i said he can only defend players bigger and slower then him period... and the reason redd isnt playin as well as he could be is cause well hes in milwaukee lol.. a change is needed for him and it would be a good change..

Read what you wrote? I think I did and it still isn't accurate. You say he couldn't yet he has done it in the past. This just goes to show that he has the ability to do it. Whether he does consistently or not are two different things. But the fact the's proven he can do it, atleast shows hope for the future that he can develop in those areas.

As for the defense thing, you're knocking him on not being able to defend slower player's but we're asking him to play center which are pretty much the type of player's he will be defending consistently.

[letsgofreeslice]

buddy buddy ur still proving ur not reading what i said.. i said bargs is a very tall sf that CAN only defend guys bigger and slower then him. damn and yea once every 10 games he has a block or rebounds the ball yesterday he stood around watchin detroit pick rebounds infront of his face dude really u love italian sausage or something? hes bad period.. he can score but who cant..

[Buyaka]

I agree that our wing play has let us down on many occasions. I am also not certain on Kapona's fit here. I am hoping that BC will fix DMart situation soon.

[Anticon]

Ok, I think we can accept that a guy with the name "letsgofreeslice" is probably a troll.

I agree with a lot of what Dagger posted, and especially Hubie Brown's comment about how the Pistons know how to get a high percentage shot on each possession while the Raptors struggle to find someone who can score.

I'd also add:

1) Rasho should have played for a few more minutes. I don't understand a lineup of Bargnani-Humphries. Why is it a DNP or 28 mpg with Rasho? He could have gotten some easy baskets.

2) Bosh's jumper is crippling the offense. Until he gets that going, teams are just going to sag off him and defend the other shooters. That makes the game harder for Kapono, Bargnani, Dixon, Parker, etc.

3) We've had our chances in the draft to get a decent SF-SG, and I don't know how many opportunities teams can be given. The offense we have depends on strong offensive contributions from our bigs. Bosh and Bargnani need to be scoring 20 + for the team to be really effective.

[letsgofreeslice]

lol wow anticon whos the troll now your askin why someone thats injured didnt play more minutes haha.. rasho is a champ.. and yes we had alot of chances to get a decent sg-sf but our manager is an italian cupcake and he got another italian fruit for the team yes bargnani.. what has he proven he can score.. so fkn what.. alot of players can.. the good ones and great ones can also play d and bargs cant.. and never will why.. cause hes a p.ussy and always will be period... i dont hate bargs but i dont like him either.. all im sayin is that we could have had roy instead of bargs.. and that would have made us a way better team.. WAY better team

[KrazyP]

buddy buddy ur still proving ur not reading what i said.. i said bargs is a very tall sf that CAN only defend guys bigger and slower then him.

I'm confused, if thats the case then whats the problem? Playing C, he will almost always be playing against guys bigger and slower than him.

[letsgofreeslice]

and anticon dude u must be really stupid or somethign if you didnt notice or watch the game or just had your head up your ass the whole time.. bargs and bosh both did get over 20 points lastnite and that didnt do **** all.. we dont need bargs and we never did we need a sg.. im too lazy to check the stats but if someone does it for me if u look at hump when he plays over 20 minutes we have a crazy record.. play hump not bargs trade bargs for a box of cereal!

[dagger]

lol wow anticon whos the troll now your askin why someone thats injured didnt play more minutes haha.. rasho is a champ.. and yes we had alot of chances to get a decent sg-sf but our manager is an italian cupcake and he got another italian fruit for the team yes bargnani.. what has he proven he can score.. so fkn what.. alot of players can.. the good ones and great ones can also play d and bargs cant.. and never will why.. cause hes a p.ussy and always will be period... i dont hate bargs but i dont like him either.. all im sayin is that we could have had roy instead of bargs.. and that would have made us a way better team.. WAY better team

Listen jerkoff, there weren't two people on this board who wanted Roy at #1. He's exceeded expectations. So don't be hypocritical about this. You wouldn't have had the stones to advocate drafting Roy #1 either. That doesn't mean the guys who went ahead of him aren't going to be good players or stars either. Vince was ROY in 1998 and a sensation in his second and third seasons but is he the best in his class today?

[letsgofreeslice]

haha krazyp love the pic.. but the problem is that bargs isnt a center.. thats all im sayin and i should have said much smaller.. lol wallace toyed with him yesterday. didnt have a crazy game but am i the only one that noticed wallace laughin at bargs d?

[letsgofreeslice]

lol dagger and the only reason bargs went one is cause hes an italian cupcake that got drafted by another italian cupcake.. not talkin **** about mr colangelo.. but seriously we got one too many white guys on the team.

[dont_h8_n8]

What did happen to Bosh's shot?

[Grizzled]

Forgetting the pseudo-debate launched by the Bargnani haters, let's look at the real reasons we lost last night so we can have a REAL discussion, and not just trot out hopelessly biased agendas...

AMEN!

I don

[KrazyP]

haha krazyp love the pic.. but the problem is that bargs isnt a center.. thats all im sayin and i should have said much smaller.. lol wallace toyed with him yesterday. didnt have a crazy game but am i the only one that noticed wallace laughin at bargs d?

Bargs also returned the favour by toying with Rasheed on the other end of the floor. In fact, the only reason the game was even close after 3 quarters was because of Bargnani. Maybe I've been watching different games than you've been watching but I've been satified with his 1-on-1 D against opposing Cs this year.

[V][/V§@Ñ!TÝ]

Sheed Aint a Center either, in fact I think other than Brezec on the Pistons, they don't have a "center". However they seem to be doing fine in the records

[letsgofreeslice]

its probably cause you have watched the last couple games where he has actually done something. im not a bargnani hater trust me.. far from it.. but hes just too i dunno weird.. he seems like too much of a wimp to play center.. he just wants the ball in his hands and thats all i duno everyone has their own opinion right.. haha thats what makes this board so entertainin hahaha i love it.. but something i think we can all agree on.. love those free slices