Jonas Valanciunas 11/12 Season Thread II

[Yoga]

Jonas V will be playing in the Olympics...that will give us a good idea of what type of player he is...

[Laowai]

Jonas V will be playing in the Olympics...that will give us a good idea of what type of player he is...

They still have to qualify but if Klieza plays it will be much easier but not a sure thing.

[HangTime]

I would love to see how he'd do vs Team USA (whom ever makes the team), and Team Spain bigs.
Dwight, Aldridge, Blake, Love, Marc, Pau, Ibaka

The only problem is that he'll probably get away with "NBA Soft fouls" and then next year the refs will call him a lot of "play-on" fouls, especially with against the stars.

[Raptor_Claw]

If you really think lkl is one of the worst leagues in Europe you dont know anything about Europe basketball

Actually, anyone that does know about European basketball will agree with me, because it is true. The LKL is a terrible league by European standards. I don't know of anyone in Europe that would use LKL stats to seriously judge a player.

He is playing in the VTB League and the Eurocup, which although neither of them is comparable to the Euroleague, they are decent level leagues with good players. You should really only be concerned with how he does in those competitions.

If he is playing against Zalgiris, then you can look at it, but other than that, it's not telling you much. LKL is a terrible league.

You can't use LKL stats to judge anything. It's by far one of the very worst leagues in Europe. Just go by the VTB League and the Eurocup.

Lithuanian league is one of the worst in europe? Now thats news for me. But i think its just your ignorance of europe basketball speaking. Lithuanian league is most certainly not the worst leagues in europe. It goes more to the mid-tier leagues with two superclubs who are at top-class level.

I didn't say it is the worst. There are worse ones of course. I said it is one of the worst, which it is.

Among domestic leagues you have (not in any order):

Spain
Italy
Greece
Turkey
Russia
Adriatic (might as well be domestic for those clubs, except Maccabi)
VTB (seems more important for the Russian clubs than their national league)
Ukraine
France
Germany

All of these are better, and you could put Belgium probably in the same category.

And you cannot consider Zalgiris Kaunas and Lietuvos Rytas as "super clubs" that are "top-class level". Zalgiris is a mediocre Euroleague club, that has a top peak as being one of the worst Top 16 clubs. Lietuvos Rytas is in the same mix as that, or alternating as a club that gets eliminated in the Euroleague regular season, or that is in the Eurocup.

Yes, they are certainly a top class Eurocup club. As they could win it, or come close every year. But they are nothing more than mediocre by Euroleague level. So, you are overrating the LKL pretty much on all accounts. As UcanUwill said, there are worse leagues in Europe certainly. LKL is not the worst by any means (and I did not say it was), but it's a pretty bad league by European standards, nonetheless.

[edquantum]

Claw is right, you cant take LKL numbers very seriously. Lithuanian league did suck, what are you guys talking about? Its a horrible league... And no, Ty did not sucked there.

Course there are plenty of second tier domestic leagues, and all the Swedish, Finnish leagues, If you include these, LKL is far from being worst league. Just stating facts...

On the other hand, most of College teams also suck, so I dont know, its all messed up...

Yes, he sucked. Something like 7pts 1 ast 2 TO in 15 min.

[UcanUwill]

Claw is right, you cant take LKL numbers very seriously. Lithuanian league did suck, what are you guys talking about? Its a horrible league... And no, Ty did not sucked there.

Course there are plenty of second tier domestic leagues, and all the Swedish, Finnish leagues, If you include these, LKL is far from being worst league. Just stating facts...

On the other hand, most of College teams also suck, so I dont know, its all messed up...

Yes, he sucked. Something like 7pts 1 ast 2 TO in 15 min.

He played 6 games, was a filler to play those noncompetitive domestic games...

Nonetheless, he was shooting close to 70% from the field!! 7.7 pts. and 7.7 EFF per 15 minutes translates into crazy stats per minute. He did sucked alright...

[Darknemo2000]

Ukrainian league

Nonsense. There are a few stronger clubs but even their strongest clubst struggle against Rudupis or Siauliai from lithuanian league. Adriatic league is also quite questionable other than the top clubs.

Greece Aeris were about to be eliminated by 7 men Rudupis, and only because Rudupis tired out in the last minutes they pulled it through.

Germany though has more finances still have yet to win against Lithuanian clubs.

Russian, VTB, Spain, Turkey are clearly stronger. France and Italy not so clearly their upper tiers are better but their low tears are not all that hot even comparing to lithuanian bottom dwellers.

Nonetheless, he was shooting close to 70% from the field!! 7.7 pts. and 7.7 EFF per 15 minutes translates into crazy stats per minute. He did sucked alright...

But that still looks vastly inferior compared to Valanciunas stats.

[UcanUwill]

Yeah, I agree, but its easier for him since hes a center. LKL lacks length, he always tallest guy there, its a mismatch.

I also agree that LKL is stronger than Ukrainian league. But Germany, France and Italy leagues are clearly stronger.. Lithuanian Zalgiris is arguably stronger than any of German or France teams, but depth of those leagues wins it for sure.

P.S. And how about Belgium league? I dont know a thing about it, so maybe I am wrong, but is taht league better? really? They have crappy ''Spirou'' and the other ones are just garbage ''Eurocup'' teams at best.
Sorry for this OT tho.

[Mefisto]

If you really think lkl is one of the worst leagues in Europe you dont know anything about Europe basketball

Actually, anyone that does know about European basketball will agree with me, because it is true. The LKL is a terrible league by European standards. I don't know of anyone in Europe that would use LKL stats to seriously judge a player.

He is playing in the VTB League and the Eurocup, which although neither of them is comparable to the Euroleague, they are decent level leagues with good players. You should really only be concerned with how he does in those competitions.

If he is playing against Zalgiris, then you can look at it, but other than that, it's not telling you much. LKL is a terrible league.

You can't use LKL stats to judge anything. It's by far one of the very worst leagues in Europe. Just go by the VTB League and the Eurocup.

Lithuanian league is one of the worst in europe? Now thats news for me. But i think its just your ignorance of europe basketball speaking. Lithuanian league is most certainly not the worst leagues in europe. It goes more to the mid-tier leagues with two superclubs who are at top-class level.

I didn't say it is the worst. There are worse ones of course. I said it is one of the worst, which it is.

Among domestic leagues you have (not in any order):

Spain
Italy
Greece
Turkey
Russia
Adriatic (might as well be domestic for those clubs, except Maccabi)
VTB (seems more important for the Russian clubs than their national league)
Ukraine
France
Germany

All of these are better, and you could put Belgium probably in the same category.

And you cannot consider Zalgiris Kaunas and Lietuvos Rytas as "super clubs" that are "top-class level". Zalgiris is a mediocre Euroleague club, that has a top peak as being one of the worst Top 16 clubs. Lietuvos Rytas is in the same mix as that, or alternating as a club that gets eliminated in the Euroleague regular season, or that is in the Eurocup.

Yes, they are certainly a top class Eurocup club. As they could win it, or come close every year. But they are nothing more than mediocre by Euroleague level. So, you are overrating the LKL pretty much on all accounts. As UcanUwill said, there are worse leagues in Europe certainly. LKL is not the worst by any means (and I did not say it was), but it's a pretty bad league by European standards, nonetheless.

You are correct except these 3 leagues, and there are more than 20 horrible leagues , Lithuania league is top8 easily.

[xprt]

Tomorrow Jonas faces Motiejunas should be interesting.

[Raptor_Claw]

Ukrainian league

Nonsense. There are a few stronger clubs but even their strongest clubst struggle against Rudupis or Siauliai from lithuanian league. Adriatic league is also quite questionable other than the top clubs.

Greece Aeris were about to be eliminated by 7 men Rudupis, and only because Rudupis tired out in the last minutes they pulled it through.

Germany though has more finances still have yet to win against Lithuanian clubs.

Russian, VTB, Spain, Turkey are clearly stronger. France and Italy not so clearly their upper tiers are better but their low tears are not all that hot even comparing to lithuanian bottom dwellers.

Nonetheless, he was shooting close to 70% from the field!! 7.7 pts. and 7.7 EFF per 15 minutes translates into crazy stats per minute. He did sucked alright...

But that still looks vastly inferior compared to Valanciunas stats.

You are overrating the LKL. Rank it wherever you want to. Bottom line, it's a bad league by European standards, no matter what.

[Raptor_Claw]

I also agree that LKL is stronger than Ukrainian league. But Germany, France and Italy leagues are clearly stronger.. Lithuanian Zalgiris is arguably stronger than any of German or France teams, but depth of those leagues wins it for sure.

P.S. And how about Belgium league? I dont know a thing about it, so maybe I am wrong, but is taht league better? really? They have crappy ''Spirou'' and the other ones are just garbage ''Eurocup'' teams at best.
Sorry for this OT tho.

If you want to debate about Ukraine and Belgium it is certainly OK. I simply said Belgium was in a similar level, not better. If you want to say that LKL is better than Ukraine's and Belgium's leagues, then that's fine.

Nonsense. There are a few stronger clubs but even their strongest clubst struggle against Rudupis or Siauliai from lithuanian league. Adriatic league is also quite questionable other than the top clubs.

Greece Aeris were about to be eliminated by 7 men Rudupis, and only because Rudupis tired out in the last minutes they pulled it through.

Germany though has more finances still have yet to win against Lithuanian clubs.

Russian, VTB, Spain, Turkey are clearly stronger. France and Italy not so clearly their upper tiers are better but their low tears are not all that hot even comparing to lithuanian bottom dwellers.

No way can you say that LKL is better than the leagues in Greece, Adriatic region (former Yugoslav), Italy, France, Germany. Especially, if the claim is that LKL is a better league than Greece's or Italy's leagues.

You are correct except these 3 leagues, and there are more than 20 horrible leagues , Lithuania league is top8 easily.

Sorry, but the French League and German League are definitely better than the LKL is. Those leagues are both bad leagues, but still better than the LKL. You cannot compare the depth of the LKL to those two leagues in any way.

[Mefisto]

Bullcrap, Zalgiris and Rytas would dominate in french and german leagues, isn't that enough for you? And Rudupis with Siauliai are eurocup level teams.

[Darknemo2000]

Sorry, but the French League and German League are definitely better than the LKL is. Those leagues are both bad leagues, but still better than the LKL. You cannot compare the depth of the LKL to those two leagues in any way.

So France and Germany leagues are stronger and thats why Rytas and Zalgiris wipes the floor with their strongest teams? Makes perfect sense.

And do not forget that Rudupis beat Rytas while Siauliai and Neptunas came close. So its not like they are that far behind. They loose most likely but they are not weaklings like best French and German teams who come on the floor just to be screwed up by either Zalgiris or Rytas.

[xprt]

Ukrainian league

Nonsense. There are a few stronger clubs but even their strongest clubst struggle against Rudupis or Siauliai from lithuanian league. Adriatic league is also quite questionable other than the top clubs.

Greece Aeris were about to be eliminated by 7 men Rudupis, and only because Rudupis tired out in the last minutes they pulled it through.

Germany though has more finances still have yet to win against Lithuanian clubs.

Russian, VTB, Spain, Turkey are clearly stronger. France and Italy not so clearly their upper tiers are better but their low tears are not all that hot even comparing to lithuanian bottom dwellers.

Nonetheless, he was shooting close to 70% from the field!! 7.7 pts. and 7.7 EFF per 15 minutes translates into crazy stats per minute. He did sucked alright...

But that still looks vastly inferior compared to Valanciunas stats.

You are overrating the LKL. Rank it wherever you want to. Bottom line, it's a bad league by European standards, no matter what.

By uleb rankings lkl is 7th national league in europe but you know better "expert"

[xprt]

In 2 hours Jonas plays

[lothy]

Who has more gold medals than JV on the current Raptors roster?

[dagger]

Who has more gold medals than JV on the current Raptors roster?

Jose

[UcanUwill]

Who has more gold medals than JV on the current Raptors roster?

Jose

I believe they tie. Jose has 1998 Juniors, 2006 world and 2011 Eurobasket.

Lenandrinho has 2 FIBA americas. I dont know about his junior awards, he may be the answer.

[kiriux]

Game vs Prokom starts in 35 minutes

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Val vs D-Mo