Jonas sustains left calf strain, no timetable for return

[joediamond]

^Drummond has been compared to Amare Stoudemire and D. Howard...Drummond is extremely athletic so we shouldn't expect him to do a slow post move like that...Right now Drummond is more defensive then anything, so his offense will probably come along slowly...I think the Raptors will regret passing of Drummond by the mid-point of this season...

Yes, he's athletic like Thabeet is tall, or like Darko is athletic and skilled. Unfortunately, there's more to basketball than that. Both were taken 2nd overall, and we know where they are now. Also, Stoudemire and Howard were FAR more skilled as 18 yr olds than Drummond is now.

And that wasn't just a slow post move, that was some pretty good footwork for an 18yr old on a veteran. He's gonna have a Darko career, good defender, bad on offense, worthy of a 9th pick, not a 2nd. Right now everone's gonna hack-a-shaq him. I mean they did that for shaq at 50%, and he's shooting 30%. I mean, when did you ever see Howard or Stoudemire or Bynum shooting fadeaways close to the basket?

[DG88]

^Drummond has been compared to Amare Stoudemire and D. Howard...Drummond is extremely athletic so we shouldn't expect him to do a slow post move like that...Right now Drummond is more defensive then anything, so his offense will probably come along slowly...I think the Raptors will regret passing of Drummond by the mid-point of this season...

Drummond has no fundamental skills and just relies on his size and athleticism. He has no skill that will make him a threat on the basketball court.

[Jodi]

^^Howard shots close shot fadeaways off the glass all the time and so does Amare...Amare was shooting 3's in Phoenix!..Thabeet was just tall, he was never as athletic as Drummond...Darko was garbage from the start, the Pistons didn't do there in-depth homework on him before drafted him...In addition, neither Thabeet or Darko had the foot speed or agility like Drummond has...Just from looking at summer league you can tell that Drummond is going to be a beast...The comparison of Drummond to Thabeet is old, tired, and not even close...

@DG88: Dwight Howard wasn't great offensively as a rookie either...Now look at him...

[Scase]

I'm dealing with a grade 2 calf sprain right now. Hoping its just a class 1 depends if he has bruising and blood in the ankle region. Depending if its a class one or two it could be anywhere from 2 weeks for a grade 1 and 4-6 weeks for a grade 2 depending on how fast he heals. Usual treatment is rest, compression, massage, ice/heat, range of motion and strengthening exercises for the calf and other leg muscles. Hopefully he heals 100% so he doesn't have a reoccurring injury like Bargs.

Bynum as a 18yr old rookie showed more offensive potential than Drummond ever showed. Remember this move?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXXSjcC6mKY

When the hell did Drummond ever do a post move? Never mind on prime Shaq.

Not to derail but, can't believe shaq didn't get ejected for that elbow to the head.

[ansoncarter]

Casey said above that the boot was only put on literally for the short time period between JV hearing the pop on the court and getting the full diagnosis. So it was entirely pre-cautionary and so he isn't wearing it anymore.

not reassuring at all....why would you hear a pop on a calf strain?

many eastern euros have small rock-tissue accumulated in their muscles, it's a genetic result of living in rocky areas. This is what caused the sound trust me I studied this for years

[DG88]

^^Howard shots close shot fadeaways off the glass all the time and so does Amare...Amare was shooting 3's in Phoenix!..Thabeet was just tall, he was never as athletic as Drummond...Darko was garbage from the start, the Pistons didn't do there in-depth homework on him before drafted him...In addition, neither Thabeet or Darko had the foot speed or agility like Drummond has...Just from looking at summer league you can tell that Drummond is going to be a beast...The comparison of Drummond to Thabeet is old, tired, and not even close...

@DG88: Dwight Howard wasn't great offensively as a rookie either...Now look at him...

Howard averaged 12/10 in his rookie year and didn't look completely lost on the court. Enough Drummond talk there's no point in having it in this thread. If you want to talk Drummond go to the Pistons forum.

[fredericklove]

^^Howard shots close shot fadeaways off the glass all the time and so does Amare...Amare was shooting 3's in Phoenix!..Thabeet was just tall, he was never as athletic as Drummond...Darko was garbage from the start, the Pistons didn't do there in-depth homework on him before drafted him...In addition, neither Thabeet or Darko had the foot speed or agility like Drummond has...Just from looking at summer league you can tell that Drummond is going to be a beast...The comparison of Drummond to Thabeet is old, tired, and not even close...

@DG88: Dwight Howard wasn't great offensively as a rookie either...Now look at him...

Looking at the summer league where it's pretty much a scrimmage isn't going to solidify your claim of his soon to be beast statement. Wait till you see an actual physical game among big boys, you will know what we and DG88 are talking about.

Also on Dwight, as rookie he already understands the fundamentals, playing closer to the basket, box out/rebounds and plays physical. That's where his athleticism starts to go on full display and even now, Dwight's still not the greatest offensive threat but he's such a strong athletic physical presence in combination with his big man fundamentals. For Drummond, his lack of fundamentals will not bond well with his athleticism. How can you exploit the game with athleticism if you don't even understand the basic fundamental big man game?

[Abba Zabba]

I'm dealing with a grade 2 calf sprain right now. Hoping its just a class 1 depends if he has bruising and blood in the ankle region. Depending if its a class one or two it could be anywhere from 2 weeks for a grade 1 and 4-6 weeks for a grade 2 depending on how fast he heals. Usual treatment is rest, compression, massage, ice/heat, range of motion and strengthening exercises for the calf and other leg muscles. Hopefully he heals 100% so he doesn't have a reoccurring injury like Bargs.

Bynum as a 18yr old rookie showed more offensive potential than Drummond ever showed. Remember this move?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXXSjcC6mKY

When the hell did Drummond ever do a post move? Never mind on prime Shaq.

Not to derail but, can't believe shaq didn't get ejected for that elbow to the head.

And wasn't Shaq's original put back dunk an over the back foul (as well as assault, lol)?

[hankscorpioLA]

Enough with the Andre Drummond talk!


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/81583 ... mer-league

The Pistons have been a bit surprised at how little Drummond actually knows about high-level basketball. If he was taught much about it at UConn, it didn't stick. They are having to go very slowly with him over certain basic concepts, especially as it pertains to managing a pick-and-roll.

Indeed, sometimes Drummond looks lost out there. Sometimes he gets out of position because he tries to block every shot. Sometimes he gets worked over by players obviously more experienced than he is.

Calling it too early to tell on Drummond is an understatement. You can see all the challenges and all the potential. The Pistons will have some interesting decisions on how much to play him. Last season they played rookie point guard Brandon Knight heavily and let him play through mistakes. Giving Drummond minutes as a rookie will take patience as well.

[Guy Smiley]

Hank, if the Raptors had drafted Drummond you would be salivating all over his potential. I have a feeling you would be reminding us how Bigs take longer to develop and in a few years we will be happy drafting Hoffa... er I mean Drummond.

[SharoneWright]

Could be much worse:

PHOENIX -- Phoenix Suns forward Channing Frye will be out indefinitely after a preseason physical revealed an enlarged heart.

The Suns said Frye has developed a dilated cardiomyopathy, a condition discovered during an echocardiogram by team cardiologist Dr. Tim Byrne.

Dilated cardiomyopathy is a disease of the heart muscle, primarily affecting the left ventricle, which becomes enlarged and can't pump blood to the body with as much force as a healthy heart, according to mayoclinic.com.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/84051 ... rged-heart

GL Channing. You have my prayers.

[Marvin!]

^Drummond has been compared to Amare Stoudemire and D. Howard...Drummond is extremely athletic so we shouldn't expect him to do a slow post move like that...Right now Drummond is more defensive then anything, so his offense will probably come along slowly...I think the Raptors will regret passing of Drummond by the mid-point of this season...

there is another thread to pine about drummond in... go use it

[hankscorpioLA]

Hank, if the Raptors had drafted Drummond you would be salivating all over his potential. I have a feeling you would be reminding us how Bigs take longer to develop and in a few years we will be happy drafting Hoffa... er I mean Drummond.

I am not saying he doesn't have potential.

I am saying its just potential at this point.

And I never liked the Hoffa pick.

[YogiStewart]

Hank, if the Raptors had drafted Drummond you would be salivating all over his potential. I have a feeling you would be reminding us how Bigs take longer to develop and in a few years we will be happy drafting Hoffa... er I mean Drummond.

I am not saying he doesn't have potential.

I am saying its just potential at this point.

And I never liked the Hoffa pick.

lies.

I love the Hoffa pick!

In 2 years, everyone will be saying "Iggy who??"

Need moar Hoffa. I've got a fever....

[TJ Calderon]

In Drummond at least he has the potential to be elite. Terrance Ross can't get to the line, can't dribble, all he does is jack up 3 pointers and catch alleyopps. Average wing player at best.

[hankscorpioLA]

I love the Hoffa pick!

In 2 years, everyone will be saying "Iggy who??"

Need moar Hoffa. I've got a fever....

I don't normally draft centers....but when I do...I prefer Brazilians.

[JWiLL02]

In Drummond at least he has the potential to be elite. Terrance Ross can't get to the line, can't dribble, all he does is jack up 3 pointers and catch alleyopps. Average wing player at best.

Ross' dribble isn't broken like DeMar's was, he'll be fine.

[hankscorpioLA]

In Drummond at least he has the potential to be elite. Terrance Ross can't get to the line, can't dribble, all he does is jack up 3 pointers and catch alleyopps. Average wing player at best.

Nobody questions that Drummond has a higher ceiling.

Its just that he also has a MUCH lower floor.

There are some very fundamental things that he needs to learn how to do just to be able to step onto an NBA floor whereas Ross is ready to go now.

so its a matter of risk vs. reward.

But just because one player has a higher ceiling does not automatically make him the better pick.

[Mr Dynasty]

Casey said above that the boot was only put on literally for the short time period between JV hearing the pop on the court and getting the full diagnosis. So it was entirely pre-cautionary and so he isn't wearing it anymore.

not reassuring at all....why would you hear a pop on a calf strain?

many eastern euros have small rock-tissue accumulated in their muscles, it's a genetic result of living in rocky areas. This is what caused the sound trust me I studied this for years

I cant find any information anywhere about this.

[JYD]

so its a matter of risk vs. reward.

But just because one player has a higher ceiling does not automatically make him the better pick.

My point of view is that with the 8th pick, for a team lacking a star, it does make him the better pick. Speaking in general terms, of generic player A with big upside, in a draft in which the 8th pick doesn't have anyone else with that level of potential available.