Patrick McCaw is not a NBA caliber player

[Randle McMurphy]

Seriously i give op his props hes getting flamed up in here and taking it like a man

How many snowflakes up in this board could take the beating without resorting to child’s play idiot arguments and insults. Respect

It's sad, really. To have a grudge on complete stranger all for the sake of being "right".
As a fan, wouldn't you want the players of the team you follow to play well?

For the record, I don't hold a grudge against McCaw and wish him the best. He can't control the fact that he's a very bad NBA basketball player getting completely overplayed by this management team/coaching staff. That isn't on him.

[Randle McMurphy]

Seriously i give op his props hes getting flamed up in here and taking it like a man

How many snowflakes up in this board could take the beating without resorting to child’s play idiot arguments and insults. Respect

It's sad, really. To have a grudge on complete stranger all for the sake of being "right".
As a fan, wouldn't you want the players of the team you follow to play well?

ppl want the team to do well. no one cares if its Patrick McCaw or f*cking lorenzo brown. the guys that gaslight others into thinking they are less of a fan because they critisize, or as some call it, arm chair GM, are the ones that should go. the ones that support in light of contradictory evidence. newsflash, no member of the organization, no matter how much success, is infallible and unassailable. the raps line of scrubs with fanatic capers is long and plenty. we literally had a segment of the fanbase try to convince others that Bargnani was a good player.

Or most memorably, that Bryan Colangelo was a good general manager. If it wasn't for the outsider Leiweke, he'd likely still be here and the championship would never have happened.

[Clementine64]

Creating off the dribble at the end of games gets a lot more difficult when you are playing with a complete offensive non-threat who defenders can just leave to help on at any time, yes. We win yesterday's game if McCaw wasn't on the floor at the end.

We win yesterday's game if a lot of things. If Kyle isn't gassed at the end, if the refs have a pulse, if OG doesn't go 0-7 on open threes, if Serge ever learns to avoid critical moving screen fouls. You're making too much of this one person. No one is claiming McCaw is destined to be an elite starter, but as free agent pickup on a modest contract, he could turn out to be a decent bench find or a nice inclusion in a trade package – or would you prefer we use a first round draft pick to acquire a third string point guard?

The hope is that the purpose of this charade has been just to trade him, but I'd just rather play Terrence Davis, an actual effective NBA player, over Patrick McCaw. It would have the dual benefit of both making the team better and developing a legitimate NBA prospect over whatever it is they think they are doing with this guy.

Agree 100%. TD2 deserves those minutes for a multitude of reasons. Most importantly TD will help us win games over McCaw and also he needs to be developed obviously. TD2 makes a lot of rookie mistakes right now, but with regular PT and a long chain like Nurse has given McCaw (for some bizarre reason) I'd expect he develops quickly into a very valuable piece moving forward.

Every time I see TD enter the game I see him make winning plays and he appears to play with no fear. A rare attribute for an NBA rookie.

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[Clementine64]

We win yesterday's game if a lot of things. If Kyle isn't gassed at the end, if the refs have a pulse, if OG doesn't go 0-7 on open threes, if Serge ever learns to avoid critical moving screen fouls. You're making too much of this one person. No one is claiming McCaw is destined to be an elite starter, but as free agent pickup on a modest contract, he could turn out to be a decent bench find or a nice inclusion in a trade package – or would you prefer we use a first round draft pick to acquire a third string point guard?

The hope is that the purpose of this charade has been just to trade him, but I'd just rather play Terrence Davis, an actual effective NBA player, over Patrick McCaw. It would have the dual benefit of both making the team better and developing a legitimate NBA prospect over whatever it is they think they are doing with this guy.

Charade? This team believes in asset development, and that's what this is. Davis has gotten a lot of burn as well. One might imagine scenarios where a healthy Norm and picks might make the basis of a nice package, embellished with either Davis or McCaw - both of whom project as combo guards – to get a higher end starter. McCaw is 6'7" and if he could develop into a nice backup, that would interest a lot of teams in a league increasingly obsessed with tall guards who can play both guard positions. I can't see how playing McCaw precludes developing Davis. Meanwhile, based on an admittedly small sample, McCaw's current FG% and 3PT% are career highs. If he could deliver these numbers across a full schedule, he'd have some trade value in his own right.

Nothing wrong with developing McCaw as well especially with a depleted roster. The issue here is McCaw playing 40 MPG, while Davis hardly gets 20 mpg. In reality the minute distribution should be the other way around due to abilities and development purposes.

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[AkelaLoneWolf]

We win yesterday's game if a lot of things. If Kyle isn't gassed at the end, if the refs have a pulse, if OG doesn't go 0-7 on open threes, if Serge ever learns to avoid critical moving screen fouls. You're making too much of this one person. No one is claiming McCaw is destined to be an elite starter, but as free agent pickup on a modest contract, he could turn out to be a decent bench find or a nice inclusion in a trade package – or would you prefer we use a first round draft pick to acquire a third string point guard?

The hope is that the purpose of this charade has been just to trade him, but I'd just rather play Terrence Davis, an actual effective NBA player, over Patrick McCaw. It would have the dual benefit of both making the team better and developing a legitimate NBA prospect over whatever it is they think they are doing with this guy.

Agree 100%. TD2 deserves those minutes for a multitude of reasons. Most importantly TD will help us win games over McCaw and also he needs to be developed obviously. TD2 makes a lot of rookie mistakes right now, but with regular PT and a long chain like Nurse has given McCaw (for some bizarre reason) I'd expect he develops quickly into a very valuable piece moving forward.

Every time I see TD enter the game I see him make winning plays and he appears to play with no fear. A rare attribute for an NBA rookie.

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the same was said of Norm as a rookie and at best, he's been a good role player...davis is a rookie he needs to be earning minutes instead of being gifted them...his long term development is not being hurt at all right now.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Seriously i give op his props hes getting flamed up in here and taking it like a man

How many snowflakes up in this board could take the beating without resorting to child’s play idiot arguments and insults. Respect

It's sad, really. To have a grudge on complete stranger all for the sake of being "right".
As a fan, wouldn't you want the players of the team you follow to play well?

For the record, I don't hold a grudge against McCaw and wish him the best. He can't control the fact that he's a very bad NBA basketball player getting completely overplayed by this management team/coaching staff. That isn't on him.

[durka]

We win yesterday's game if a lot of things. If Kyle isn't gassed at the end, if the refs have a pulse, if OG doesn't go 0-7 on open threes, if Serge ever learns to avoid critical moving screen fouls. You're making too much of this one person. No one is claiming McCaw is destined to be an elite starter, but as free agent pickup on a modest contract, he could turn out to be a decent bench find or a nice inclusion in a trade package – or would you prefer we use a first round draft pick to acquire a third string point guard?

The hope is that the purpose of this charade has been just to trade him, but I'd just rather play Terrence Davis, an actual effective NBA player, over Patrick McCaw. It would have the dual benefit of both making the team better and developing a legitimate NBA prospect over whatever it is they think they are doing with this guy.

Agree 100%. TD2 deserves those minutes for a multitude of reasons. Most importantly TD will help us win games over McCaw and also he needs to be developed obviously. TD2 makes a lot of rookie mistakes right now, but with regular PT and a long chain like Nurse has given McCaw (for some bizarre reason) I'd expect he develops quickly into a very valuable piece moving forward.

Every time I see TD enter the game I see him make winning plays and he appears to play with no fear. A rare attribute for an NBA rookie.

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FYI TD2 put the nail in our coffin with his lack of game clock awareness last night.

I learned last year in the playoffs with FVV that Nurse gives the guys he believes in rope. I ate crow there, I give Nurse and Masai the benefit of the doubt at this point. McCaw has been perfectly fine the past 2 games. He was hurt for a large chunk of the year and now that we're being hit with injuries is being given an opportunity. The way this origination has developed undrafted players and late picks is by giving them limited minutes and time in the 905. TD has already expediated the process, have some patience and trust our championship organization.

[Clementine64]

The hope is that the purpose of this charade has been just to trade him, but I'd just rather play Terrence Davis, an actual effective NBA player, over Patrick McCaw. It would have the dual benefit of both making the team better and developing a legitimate NBA prospect over whatever it is they think they are doing with this guy.

Agree 100%. TD2 deserves those minutes for a multitude of reasons. Most importantly TD will help us win games over McCaw and also he needs to be developed obviously. TD2 makes a lot of rookie mistakes right now, but with regular PT and a long chain like Nurse has given McCaw (for some bizarre reason) I'd expect he develops quickly into a very valuable piece moving forward.

Every time I see TD enter the game I see him make winning plays and he appears to play with no fear. A rare attribute for an NBA rookie.

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the same was said of Norm as a rookie and at best, he's been a good role player...davis is a rookie he needs to be earning minutes instead of being gifted them...his long term development is not being hurt at all right now.

Let me simplify this for you then. Davis is the better basketball player right now and therefore more deserving of the minutes. His bball IQ already appears to be better than Norms.

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[Johnny Bball]

Seriously i give op his props hes getting flamed up in here and taking it like a man

How many snowflakes up in this board could take the beating without resorting to child’s play idiot arguments and insults. Respect

It's sad, really. To have a grudge on complete stranger all for the sake of being "right".
As a fan, wouldn't you want the players of the team you follow to play well?

For the record, I don't hold a grudge against McCaw and wish him the best. He can't control the fact that he's a very bad NBA basketball player getting completely overplayed by this management team/coaching staff. That isn't on him.

I can pick one...

1) Not an NBA caliber player, he was overplayed by three championship teams and before and is terrible but they won in spite of it, both championship organizations managed to overcome their horrible ability to judge talent by a fluke, he is being way overplayed by the team now that’s injured all over and has no choice but to play him at SF which isn’t even his position because it has none, and my eyes and brain suddenly can’t see what’s happening on a court anymore...

2) The guy literally named for an insane asylum inmate that complains all the time is the voice of reason because he has said he holds no grudge.

That’s a toughy.

[Psubs]

Agree 100%. TD2 deserves those minutes for a multitude of reasons. Most importantly TD will help us win games over McCaw and also he needs to be developed obviously. TD2 makes a lot of rookie mistakes right now, but with regular PT and a long chain like Nurse has given McCaw (for some bizarre reason) I'd expect he develops quickly into a very valuable piece moving forward.

Every time I see TD enter the game I see him make winning plays and he appears to play with no fear. A rare attribute for an NBA rookie.

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the same was said of Norm as a rookie and at best, he's been a good role player...davis is a rookie he needs to be earning minutes instead of being gifted them...his long term development is not being hurt at all right now.

Let me simplify this for you then. Davis is the better basketball player right now and therefore more deserving of the minutes. His bball IQ already appears to be better than Norms.

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I think they are monitoring his rookie minutes so he doesn't hit a fatigue wall. Also to make sure he can be retained for the MLE or less on an extension next year.

[alienchild]

It's sad, really. To have a grudge on complete stranger all for the sake of being "right".
As a fan, wouldn't you want the players of the team you follow to play well?

For the record, I don't hold a grudge against McCaw and wish him the best. He can't control the fact that he's a very bad NBA basketball player getting completely overplayed by this management team/coaching staff. That isn't on him.

I can’t pick one...

1) Not an NBA caliber player, he was overplayed by three championship teams and before and is terrible but they won in spite of it, both championship organizations managed to overcome their horrible ability to judge talent by a fluke, he is being way overplayed by the team now that’s injured all over and has no choice but to play him at SF which isn’t even his position because it has none, and my eyes and brain suddenly can’t see what’s happening on a court anymore...

2) The guy literally named for an insane asylum inmate that complains all the time is the voice of reason because he has said he holds no grudge.

That’s a toughy.

Post-lobotomy.

[johanliebert]

He’s a liability especially with the current make up of the roster

[bballsparkin]

the same was said of Norm as a rookie and at best, he's been a good role player...davis is a rookie he needs to be earning minutes instead of being gifted them...his long term development is not being hurt at all right now.

Let me simplify this for you then. Davis is the better basketball player right now and therefore more deserving of the minutes. His bball IQ already appears to be better than Norms.

I think they are monitoring his rookie minutes so he doesn't hit a fatigue wall. Also to make sure he can be retained for the MLE or less on an extension next year.

And he's not there defensively yet. TD sometimes looks out of position. I've seen other players yelling at him to be in the right spot. It's a learning process so what's the rush?

I think McCaw was given assurances that he'd be given a shot. So now with injury issues lo and behold it's his chance. Sure maybe NN could play him less. Yet Pat has looked alright recently. I don't get all the drama. He's making $4 million this year and next. Easy to move and he's capable of playing when needed.

[Clementine64]

TD making y'all unbelievers look silly tonight.

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[VeOlOeV]

Thought this was a McCaw thread

TD making y'all unbelievers look silly tonight.

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[Clay Davis]

TD making y'all unbelievers look silly tonight.

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Only morons think that they have overlapping skillsets and that they should be used as substitutes for one another. This game reinforced the opinion who anyone who doesn't habitually drink kool-aid laced with Clorox that Pat McCaw is a serviceable defender who can be relied upon to make good reads and tough passes.

Why compare a 6'7 swingman with a 6'4 combo-guard? It's actually bewildering. Happy new year.

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[Clementine64]

Thought this was a McCaw thread

TD making y'all unbelievers look silly tonight.

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Read a couple lines above...

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[Clementine64]

TD making y'all unbelievers look silly tonight.

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Only morons think that they have overlapping skillsets and that they should be used as substitutes for one another. This game reinforced the opinion who anyone who doesn't habitually drink kool-aid laced with Clorox that Pat McCaw is a serviceable defender who can be relied upon to make good reads and tough passes.

Why compare a 6'7 swingman with a 6'4 combo-guard? It's actually bewildering. Happy new year.

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If people don't agree with your opinion they're morons..got it...smh

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[Randle McMurphy]

TD making y'all unbelievers look silly tonight.

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He's a vastly superior player to McCaw in every way possible. There's no excuse for him getting less minutes than McCaw, particularly on a team that has no primary scoring option at the moment outside of a 33 year old Kyle Lowry.

[will]

TD making y'all unbelievers look silly tonight.

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He's a vastly superior player to McCaw in every way possible. There's no excuse for him getting less minutes than McCaw, particularly on a team that has no primary scoring option at the moment outside of a 33 year old Kyle Lowry.

To be fair...it would be a bit much to throw TD2 out there for the minutes Patty McCaw is playing. There are still a lot of nuances to the game TD2 needs to get accustomed to. McCaw got more experience right now being in his 4th NBA season.

TD2 will have his time once he builds up trust with Nicky Nurse.

At the moment, McCaw hasn't done anything drastic to lose playing time. Part of him getting so many minutes is the Raps are so incredibly shorthanded.