Can we please talk about what Adrian griffin ex has excused of him

[Johnny Bball]

The timing... that is one bitter and angry woman.

Don't know what Griffin is like at all but something ain't right.

[7 Footer]

Not a good look for the Raptors organization

It doesn't reflect on the Raptors organization at all.

It's extremely unlikely they knew about this.

It does reflect on the Raptors organization, its their job to know the back ground of the employees they hire. If they didn’t know about this, thats even worse

[M3tro]

If potential malpractice from an employee in your organization has to be that obvious your organization is probably quite poor.

Anything is possible, but you should be ready for every scenario, not caught with your pants down.

So you're basically claiming that Adrian Griffin is guilty without having seen any evidence aside from this woman's tweets.

Do I have that right?

I'm not claiming anything, there were a number of accusations thrown out and we can't be sure about the validity of all of them. That being said, most organizations who are forward thinking wouldn't let this type of thing blindside them. They would immediately suspend the individual accused and launch an investigation. Instead we have gotten crickets.

This is an organization worth hundreds of millions operating in a multi-billion dollar industry, not me and my neighbour having a fight.

So just to be clear, an organization is considered "forward thinking" if they effectively punish an employee based on unproven accusations before launching an investigation?

Sounds like potential litigation from AG.

[Raps in 4]

Not a good look for the Raptors organization

It doesn't reflect on the Raptors organization at all.

It's extremely unlikely they knew about this.

It does reflect on the Raptors organization, its their job to know the back ground of the employees they hire. If they didn’t know about this, thats even worse

How would they know about a domestic violence case that was never reported to police or aired publicly until now?

Organizations do background checks. But if the police check comes back clean and they don't find anything damning on social media, then they go ahead and hire the individual. They don't hire private investigators to interview family members of potential hires.

[lobosloboslobos]

No, it still is.

1. She wants child support from him when the season was suspended. NBA hadn't confirmed how the pay would work, but he's supposed to pay regardless (100% what she felt).

2. He's getting HC consideration and he had a feel good moment which probably would have put him on team's lists to interview therefore increasing his earnings.

This was an obvious intent to destroy his life.

This was an obvious cry for help from someone who has spent months trying to publicize her claims that her husband has physically and mentally assaulted her many times and that despite her attempts to get the courts to force him to pay his child support he continues to not do so and is 4x in contempt of court. Yes she is doing this when he is suddenly in the news but that's because she saw an opportunity to make an impact and guess what, it worked. If her claims are true then she is the one whose life has been destroyed and he is the one who deserves to be attacked not her. get with the program man. i assume you support black lives matter? or are you on the wrong side of that one too?

1. I do support BLM and I support the methods of peaceful protests in Canada.
2. She got a divorce and it's done. If he's missing payments, I'm sure she can request that the courts make his employer aware of the order and they would deduct the child support payments to her anytime he gets paid. Therefore, 1) she must have been given terrible legal advice 2) there's another reason, such as:
3. About the child support, it has become an issue when the NBA suspended it's season WITHOUT an agreement of how the pay would work. Is he supposed to just pay her even if he's not getting paid? That's not how the law works.
3. I bet if this were you and a ex was out to destroy you, for whatever reason, you would shed a different light. Don't be a hypocrite.

the problem is that - unless you know a lot more about the facts of this situation than the rest of us - you are making an assumption that she is 'out to destroy him'.

The reason this relates to BLM is that one of the main goals of the BLM movement is to make white folks understand that systemic racism is a condition of daily life for black folks and that it manifests in many different ways, including all kinds of unfounded and unfair immediate assumptions about who is at fault when there are altercations between white folks and black folks.

There has been another big movement in the past couple years that has also been about protesting systemic discrimination and violence and raising awareness about a group of people in our society who have experienced assaults by those with more political, social and economic power for generations. and just as racist white cops and others have gotten away with their discriminatory assaults against black men for years, so have the people doing the assaulting in this other movement done so with impunity for years. except that now that is starting to change as members of this victimized group are at last feeling empowered to speak out, even though doing so is risky for them because there is often a wicked backlash. and yet they are doing it.

this other movement is the #metoo movement and just as BLM demands that white folks check their privilege and understand the depth and scale of systemic racism that black folks face, #metoo demands that women be believed when they speak out about sexual violence and domestic abuse, that their words be supported and their claims assumed to be true. even though in some small minority of cases they are not. but the women who are physically abused by men vastly outnumber the women who are not abused but pretend to be, so the #metoo movement insists that we start by believing women, and yes, then we go and assess the facts, but we do so not from the assumption that they are lying ho's out to 'destroy men's lives', anymore than we should believe that a black kid with a toy in his front yard is a lethal threat to a cop.

if you respect women and understand that like black folks they are the victims of generational discrimination, then you need to support the demands of #metoo the same way BLM asks others to support its demands for fairness and equality and recognition of embedded social bias. which means you have to start by believing that men beat and gaslight women and abandon their kids all the time. so the assumption should be, 'oh, another example of this common occurrence of patriarchal abuse' not 'oh look another ho trying to railroad a good man'.

[kamus]

Alright, he's a terrible husband, but she seriously needs to let it go. Why are you dragging this ongoingly like it's your plan to follow him wherever he goes to seek revenge...

"she seriously needs to let it go".

I guess you don't have daughters you piece of ****.

Oh, if I had a daughter and she told me her man/husband was abusive I would 1) pack her **** for her 2) beat his ass.

I will, however, never tell her to go publicly and shot him down.

You call me a piece of **** all you want, but save it for when you need to explain yourself If you ever get caught in your lowest moments.

She is seeking revenge, but it's ok because she wants to bring up incidents that have nothing to do with what's going on now. Especially considering she goes out of her way to mention all these media members in her tweet.

I don't support people seeking revenge.

Why would you beat the mans ass straight away? Maybe your daughter is just seeking revenge on him ( or maybe you if he beats your ass)

[Pooh_Jeter]

So you're basically claiming that Adrian Griffin is guilty without having seen any evidence aside from this woman's tweets.

Do I have that right?

I'm not claiming anything, there were a number of accusations thrown out and we can't be sure about the validity of all of them. That being said, most organizations who are forward thinking wouldn't let this type of thing blindside them. They would immediately suspend the individual accused and launch an investigation. Instead we have gotten crickets.

This is an organization worth hundreds of millions operating in a multi-billion dollar industry, not me and my neighbour having a fight.

So just to be clear, an organization is considered "forward thinking" if they effectively punish an employee based on unproven accusations before launching an investigation?

Sounds like potential litigation from AG.

It's common practice when accusations are made to suspend an individual with pay pending the results of an investigation. A lot of organizations won't even wait until the full story comes out. We have seen it in the professional wrestling world lately, with some police/firefighters and even in Hollywood certain executives, producers and actors.

[Johnny Bball]

Masai needs to be fired. You need to do your due dilligence when not only hiring employees, but putting them in the spotlight like we did yesterday. Masai got glowing cover stories for his inclusion of women within the organization, yet he empowers an abuser? Shameful.

Let's not just burn Adrian Griffin at the stake, but also Masai for hiring him. All based on an unproven allegation.

How do people jump to such conclusions so easily...?

In this day and age it's much better to be ahead of things than behind them. A truly first class organization would have known about Adrian Griffin's background before enabling him. That is on the leadership.

I really thought you were being sarcastic... you want to fire Ujiri then? You think you can know everyone's background for real?

And do you think it's legal to interview a man's wife before hiring him? For real?

[lolwut]

If potential malpractice from an employee in your organization has to be that obvious your organization is probably quite poor.

Anything is possible, but you should be ready for every scenario, not caught with your pants down.

So you're basically claiming that Adrian Griffin is guilty without having seen any evidence aside from this woman's tweets.

Do I have that right?

I'm not claiming anything, there were a number of accusations thrown out and we can't be sure about the validity of all of them. That being said, most organizations who are forward thinking wouldn't let this type of thing blindside them. They would immediately suspend the individual accused and launch an investigation. Instead we have gotten crickets.

This is an organization worth hundreds of millions operating in a multi-billion dollar industry, not me and my neighbour having a fight.

Wait, hold on. You're suggesting the Raptors should suspend Adrian Griffin before they confirm the allegations? Is that what you mean by "forward thinking"? Putting the cart in front of the horse?

What's your stance on the Masai/Oracle Arena situation? Masai allegedly assaulted that security guard. By the same logic, should Masai have been suspended while they sorted out the facts? How dare the Raptors hire a GM with such low character.

[M3tro]

I'm not claiming anything, there were a number of accusations thrown out and we can't be sure about the validity of all of them. That being said, most organizations who are forward thinking wouldn't let this type of thing blindside them. They would immediately suspend the individual accused and launch an investigation. Instead we have gotten crickets.

This is an organization worth hundreds of millions operating in a multi-billion dollar industry, not me and my neighbour having a fight.

So just to be clear, an organization is considered "forward thinking" if they effectively punish an employee based on unproven accusations before launching an investigation?

Sounds like potential litigation from AG.

It's common practice when accusations are made to suspend an individual with pay pending the results of an investigation. A lot of organizations won't even wait until the full story comes out. We have seen it in the professional wrestling world lately, with some police/firefighters and even in Hollywood certain executives, producers and actors.

Oh I know its common practice, my issue was more the correlation between it and "forward thinking".

If anything, punishing someone with no evidence seems like a rather archaic practice to me. Reminiscent of Salem during the witch trials...

[Zeno]

I just got home from work to discover this horrible story. Hope the organization does the right thing and quickly if there is any truth to these allegations. Does anyone know which coaches haven’t made the trip to the bubble and might be brought in as a replacement if they find that is what is needed here.

[YelloC]

Knowing that divorces are messy, I’m going to hold my opinion until all the facts are in.
I would expect the front office to do their due diligence but they might not have been privy to this info until now.
As far as the teenage ball girl part, 18-19 is considered teenager so although icky it would not be illegal or immoral. If younger than 18 than obviously it’s repugnant and should result in termination.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Let's not just burn Adrian Griffin at the stake, but also Masai for hiring him. All based on an unproven allegation.

How do people jump to such conclusions so easily...?

In this day and age it's much better to be ahead of things than behind them. A truly first class organization would have known about Adrian Griffin's background before enabling him. That is on the leadership.

I really thought you were being sarcastic... you want to fire Ujiri then? You think you can know everyone's background for real?

And do you think it's legal to interview a man's wife before hiring him? For real?

If these accusations have ANY veracity at all, yes he should be fired.

No, I don't believe we are all Professor X, but when accusations such as these are made you should be aware. Organizations constantly interview character witnesses when hiring people. It's not like she would have been forced to talk, she would have either talked or politely declined. It's no different than the due dilligence one does as a scout. You don't think the scouts pour over their history and talk to as many people as they can?

[Pooh_Jeter]

So you're basically claiming that Adrian Griffin is guilty without having seen any evidence aside from this woman's tweets.

Do I have that right?

I'm not claiming anything, there were a number of accusations thrown out and we can't be sure about the validity of all of them. That being said, most organizations who are forward thinking wouldn't let this type of thing blindside them. They would immediately suspend the individual accused and launch an investigation. Instead we have gotten crickets.

This is an organization worth hundreds of millions operating in a multi-billion dollar industry, not me and my neighbour having a fight.

Wait, hold on. You're suggesting the Raptors should suspend Adrian Griffin before they confirm the allegations? Is that what you mean by "forward thinking"? Putting the cart in front of the horse?

What's your stance on the Masai/Oracle Arena situation? Masai allegedly assaulted that security guard. By the same logic, should Masai have been suspended while they sorted out the facts? How dare the Raptors hire a GM with such low character.

Unfortunately these current accusations are being played out on social media currently (It's a changing landscape this has happened a thousand times now).

The Masai issue was a lawsuit and had criminal proceedings.

[ropjhk]

Without knowing the facts I won't form an opinion. These allegations are serious and should be verified.

[RaptorsNorth]

People are talking about the child support but I’m trying figure out what kid did he rape and where was this ? Was this in Canada ? The US ? And Wouldn’t the cops be looking to find this teenager to make sure shes safe ? I’m just saying tho. Where is this teenager now ? Where’s her parents ? Why is the cops not raiding his house ?

[Ramed Nazored]

People saying, "why would she stay with him if he were that abusive?" have no idea how the dynamics and psychology of abuse play out in a relationship.

[Pooh_Jeter]

So just to be clear, an organization is considered "forward thinking" if they effectively punish an employee based on unproven accusations before launching an investigation?

Sounds like potential litigation from AG.

It's common practice when accusations are made to suspend an individual with pay pending the results of an investigation. A lot of organizations won't even wait until the full story comes out. We have seen it in the professional wrestling world lately, with some police/firefighters and even in Hollywood certain executives, producers and actors.

Oh I know its common practice, my issue was more the correlation between it and "forward thinking".

If anything, punishing someone with no evidence seems like a rather archaic practice to me. Reminiscent of Salem during the witch trials...

So being suspended with pay while an investigation occurs is akin to being burnt at the stake or drowned in a river? Cool.

It's forward thinking because you either have a guy sitting at home collecting a cheque OR you have allowed a man who allegedly almost choked a woman to death amongst a flurry of other accusations sit on your bench, coach your team for a game and bathe in the spotlight.

You don't pussy foot around stuff like this.

[Johnny Bball]

In this day and age it's much better to be ahead of things than behind them. A truly first class organization would have known about Adrian Griffin's background before enabling him. That is on the leadership.

I really thought you were being sarcastic... you want to fire Ujiri then? You think you can know everyone's background for real?

And do you think it's legal to interview a man's wife before hiring him? For real?

If these accusations have ANY veracity at all, yes he should be fired.

No, I don't believe we are all Professor X, but when accusations such as these are made you should be aware. Organizations constantly interview character witnesses when hiring people. It's not like she would have been forced to talk, she would have either talked or politely declined. It's no different than the due dilligence one does as a scout. You don't think the scouts pour over their history and talk to as many people as they can?

It is not legal to even ask someone if they are married but you expect an employer to know how their marriage is an ask his wife? No, I don't think people (anyone, anywhere, in any leadership capacity) does what you are suggesting. and I don't suspect they would lead for long if they do. What the actual ****.

So you're right breaking the law doing what you just suggested.... Do we ask for your employer to fire you and then resign if you actually did it?

i think you need to think about what would happen and the repercussions if an employer were allowed to talk with everyone you dated or friend you had.

[Johnny Bball]

Knowing that divorces are messy, I’m going to hold my opinion until all the facts are in.
I would expect the front office to do their due diligence but they might not have been privy to this info until now.
As far as the teenage ball girl part, 18-19 is considered teenager so although icky it would not be illegal or immoral. If younger than 18 than obviously it’s repugnant and should result in termination.

This.