OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[Chandan]

hong kong is down to like 5 cases a day. hopefully this thing ends soon. But kids are going to school again I suspect there will be a spike at some point.

[TorontoRapsFan]

-Documents reveal details of Ontario police misuse of COVID-19 database

https://theccf.ca/release-documents-reveal-details-of-police-misuse-of-covid-19-database/

The letter outlined the following ways that police services had misused the portal:

“Conducting broad-based municipal searches without a specific address, including conducting broad-based searches using only postal codes ”
“Conducting broad-based municipal searches of another municipality. It is unknown why a member would conduct a broad-based search of a municipality outside their service area, or even their mutual aid partners.”
“Conducting searches of a specific name that is not related to an active call for service.”

Previous reports show that Ontario police services conducted over 95,000 searches of the database while it was active. Over 40 per cent of those searches were conducted either by the Thunder Bay Police Service or Durham Region Police Service.

Either they're bored over there or work for someone else

[Metallikid]

-Documents reveal details of Ontario police misuse of COVID-19 database

https://theccf.ca/release-documents-reveal-details-of-police-misuse-of-covid-19-database/

The letter outlined the following ways that police services had misused the portal:

“Conducting broad-based municipal searches without a specific address, including conducting broad-based searches using only postal codes ”
“Conducting broad-based municipal searches of another municipality. It is unknown why a member would conduct a broad-based search of a municipality outside their service area, or even their mutual aid partners.”
“Conducting searches of a specific name that is not related to an active call for service.”

Previous reports show that Ontario police services conducted over 95,000 searches of the database while it was active. Over 40 per cent of those searches were conducted either by the Thunder Bay Police Service or Durham Region Police Service.

Either they're bored over there or work for someone else

And this is what people don't understand when other people say they don't think the government should be able to abrogate certain rights, even in a difficult situation. They're too prone to abuse by those who will have to enforce them and it's too dangerous to take away people's ability to fight unjust laws.

[Metallikid]

Fwiw in Quebec

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This is absolutely insane. This is an incredible overreach and I hope people understand this. This should in no way be acquiesced to; freedom of assembly is a Charter right and more than ever people need to be able to see one another due to the mental health effects of the current situation. To say the police have the right to harass you and drag you out of your house because a neighbour calls them on you because you had someone over means we are living in a police state. This is a violation of human rights.

[God Squad]

I'm probably the only one that has no problem with the lockdown. I go to work (nights) and come home to spend time with wife and baby, Smoke some weed, and play Xbox. Rinse, Wash, Repeat. Honestly, this has been my life for a while now so it's been easy for me to adjust. When we do go out for either groceries or to Walmart for baby supplies it is very simple and easy. Mask up and try to be out of there as quick as possible. If my son was older (1.5) it'd be a lot more difficult because of schools reopening and kids not taking hygiene seriously. So prayers to all the parents that have sent their kids back or planning on doing so.

[mtcan]

Fwiw in Quebec

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This is absolutely insane. This is an incredible overreach and I hope people understand this. This should in no way be acquiesced to; freedom of assembly is a Charter right and more than ever people need to be able to see one another due to the mental health effects of the current situation. To say the police have the right to harass you and drag you out of your house because a neighbour calls them on you because you had someone over means we are living in a police state. This is a violation of human rights.

Is it though? You wouldn't realize how many **** house parties are going on. If your neighbourhood is has one or more houses that almost always has like 15 cars parked in the driveway and along the sidewalk like almost every other day...you know they are having a gathering that they shouldn't be. I fully endorse the idea of snitching on your neighbours because that is the only way these **** will stop.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

Fwiw in Quebec

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This is absolutely insane. This is an incredible overreach and I hope people understand this. This should in no way be acquiesced to; freedom of assembly is a Charter right and more than ever people need to be able to see one another due to the mental health effects of the current situation. To say the police have the right to harass you and drag you out of your house because a neighbour calls them on you because you had someone over means we are living in a police state. This is a violation of human rights.

can citizen's call the police when someone is knowingly driving a vehicle drunk or without a license? hmm....... I don't think you understand what human rights are.

[Lord_Zedd]

Fwiw in Quebec

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This is absolutely insane. This is an incredible overreach and I hope people understand this. This should in no way be acquiesced to; freedom of assembly is a Charter right and more than ever people need to be able to see one another due to the mental health effects of the current situation. To say the police have the right to harass you and drag you out of your house because a neighbour calls them on you because you had someone over means we are living in a police state. This is a violation of human rights.

Police are authorized to demand proof of residency and if residents refuse entry, officers will be able to obtain warrants faster through a new, virtual system that was established in collaboration with the Crown, the premier said.

The article sounds more like warrants being processed digitally rather than wait for warrant papers to be printed. Europe is already doing this.

Imagine waiting 2-3 days for a warrant to take down a house party that happened 2-3 days too late.

Where are these "human rights" of yours being violated here?

[M3tro]

The government is pushing testing if you wake up with a runny nose, sore throat or cough.

If you need an explanation about how ridiculous that is, it's already too late.

[Metallikid]

Fwiw in Quebec

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This is absolutely insane. This is an incredible overreach and I hope people understand this. This should in no way be acquiesced to; freedom of assembly is a Charter right and more than ever people need to be able to see one another due to the mental health effects of the current situation. To say the police have the right to harass you and drag you out of your house because a neighbour calls them on you because you had someone over means we are living in a police state. This is a violation of human rights.

Is it though? You wouldn't realize how many **** house parties are going on. If your neighbourhood is has one or more houses that almost always has like 15 cars parked in the driveway and along the sidewalk like almost every other day...you know they are having a gathering that they shouldn't be. I fully endorse the idea of snitching on your neighbours because that is the only way these **** will stop.

Except it's not for huge parties it's for ANYONE, go read the article. And for the other two who said what human rights are being violated, I said very clearly, our Charter right to Assembly. The enforcement of these sorts of draconian rules cannot be trusted to police officers and these laws are far too overreaching. You want to close casinos, fine, that's not the same as saying you cannot see other people, your family and friends, in the privacy of your own home. These warrants will be rubber stamps. Especially for those that live alone this is worse than house arrest without having committed a crime. You guys really don't understand what happens historically when governments take these sorts of essentially emergency powers for themselves and how hard it is to remove draconian rules like these, that's exactly why this is dangerous. Abuse and loss of our rights is serious and you guys also don't seem to realize that that's what separates free, Western societies from authoritarian non-Western societies, the fact that our rights do come first and can't be infringed upon.

https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

U.N. Declaration of Human Rights

Article 20.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

As well as:

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

[Mikistan]

The government is pushing testing if you wake up with a runny nose, sore throat or cough.

If you need an explanation about how ridiculous that is, it's already too late.

It was better those people go to school or work or a restaurant and infect everyone right

[M3tro]

The government is pushing testing if you wake up with a runny nose, sore throat or cough.

If you need an explanation about how ridiculous that is, it's already too late.

It was better those people go to school or work or a restaurant and infect everyone right

Society always needs a boogeyman and the real enemy here is fear.

You're deeply infected with it.

[BigBoss23]

hong kong is down to like 5 cases a day. hopefully this thing ends soon. But kids are going to school again I suspect there will be a spike at some point.

Tbh, id say kids going to school has been THE number one reason based on discussions with friends and family as that has been the main difference compared to august vs september.

I know mt can said it was bars/restaurants/clubs etc but if you really think about it, why arent the provincial govts targeting the REAL source and not the convenient ones? Just my opinion.

[M3tro]

hong kong is down to like 5 cases a day. hopefully this thing ends soon. But kids are going to school again I suspect there will be a spike at some point.

Tbh, id say kids going to school has been THE number one reason based on discussions with friends and family as that has been the main difference compared to august vs september.

I know mt can said it was bars/restaurants/clubs etc but if you really think about it, why arent the provincial govts targeting the REAL source and not the convenient ones? Just my opinion.

Because they were planning this 2nd lockdown since the Spring.

The government is either full of incompetence or they intended for this to happen. I know what I have my money on.

[Local_NG_Idiot]

This is absolutely insane. This is an incredible overreach and I hope people understand this. This should in no way be acquiesced to; freedom of assembly is a Charter right and more than ever people need to be able to see one another due to the mental health effects of the current situation. To say the police have the right to harass you and drag you out of your house because a neighbour calls them on you because you had someone over means we are living in a police state. This is a violation of human rights.

Is it though? You wouldn't realize how many **** house parties are going on. If your neighbourhood is has one or more houses that almost always has like 15 cars parked in the driveway and along the sidewalk like almost every other day...you know they are having a gathering that they shouldn't be. I fully endorse the idea of snitching on your neighbours because that is the only way these **** will stop.

Except it's not for huge parties it's for ANYONE, go read the article. And for the other two who said what human rights are being violated, I said very clearly, our Charter right to Assembly. The enforcement of these sorts of draconian rules cannot be trusted to police officers and these laws are far too overreaching. You want to close casinos, fine, that's not the same as saying you cannot see other people, your family and friends, in the privacy of your own home. These warrants will be rubber stamps. Especially for those that live alone this is worse than house arrest without having committed a crime. You guys really don't understand what happens historically when governments take these sorts of essentially emergency powers for themselves and how hard it is to remove draconian rules like these, that's exactly why this is dangerous. Abuse and loss of our rights is serious and you guys also don't seem to realize that that's what separates free, Western societies from authoritarian non-Western societies, the fact that our rights do come first and can't be infringed upon.

https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

U.N. Declaration of Human Rights

Article 20.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

As well as:

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

Canada, in it's charter of rights has the right to freedom of expression, with of course limitations on hate speech, calls for violence, exploitation of children etc....

Canada's charter of rights with regards to freedom of assembly have the similar limitations even prior to the pandemic. Specifically with the definition of 'Harm'.

Again, you don't understand what human rights are.

[Clay Davis]

hong kong is down to like 5 cases a day. hopefully this thing ends soon. But kids are going to school again I suspect there will be a spike at some point.

Tbh, id say kids going to school has been THE number one reason based on discussions with friends and family as that has been the main difference compared to august vs september.

I know mt can said it was bars/restaurants/clubs etc but if you really think about it, why arent the provincial govts targeting the REAL source and not the convenient ones? Just my opinion.

Because they were planning this 2nd lockdown since the Spring.

The government is either full of incompetence or they intended for this to happen. I know what I have my money on.

You'd have to be smoking weed laced with Windex to think this government is anything close to anything even remotely resembling competence.

[BigBoss23]

Fwiw in Quebec

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This is absolutely insane. This is an incredible overreach and I hope people understand this. This should in no way be acquiesced to; freedom of assembly is a Charter right and more than ever people need to be able to see one another due to the mental health effects of the current situation. To say the police have the right to harass you and drag you out of your house because a neighbour calls them on you because you had someone over means we are living in a police state. This is a violation of human rights.

Is it though? You wouldn't realize how many **** house parties are going on. If your neighbourhood is has one or more houses that almost always has like 15 cars parked in the driveway and along the sidewalk like almost every other day...you know they are having a gathering that they shouldn't be. I fully endorse the idea of snitching on your neighbours because that is the only way these **** will stop.

If your brother is over at your own residence and you dont live under the same address, you could theoretically get a fine for that. Think about that.

[Fairview4Life]

If your brother is over at your own residence and you dont live under the same address, you could theoretically get a fine for that. Think about that.

Crazy, has that ever actually happened to someone, or is it just a theoretical fine at the moment?

[mtcan]

hong kong is down to like 5 cases a day. hopefully this thing ends soon. But kids are going to school again I suspect there will be a spike at some point.

Tbh, id say kids going to school has been THE number one reason based on discussions with friends and family as that has been the main difference compared to august vs september.

I know mt can said it was bars/restaurants/clubs etc but if you really think about it, why arent the provincial govts targeting the REAL source and not the convenient ones? Just my opinion.

As I said before...the timing from time of restaurants/bars/clubs reopening to the current situation is the most realistic. We have yet to fully see what the effect of schools opening because in Toronto...schools only opened 2 weeks ago.

[BigBoss23]

If your brother is over at your own residence and you dont live under the same address, you could theoretically get a fine for that. Think about that.

Crazy, has that ever actually happened to someone, or is it just a theoretical fine at the moment?

It hasnt happened as the new law doesnt take place until today, and while I don't think that's their main target as they want to deter "parties", it does give them the power to do so whether or not it stands up in the court of law for disputes.