Raptors favorites to re-sign FVV, expected to receive a Brogdon contract

[Morse Code]

Wonder if this means Knicks are no longer in the running for a big FVV contract: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260154/Fred-VanVleet-Seen-As-More-Effective-For-Established-Team-Than-As-The-Lone-Star

League sources see Fred VanVleet as being more effective on an established than "being the lone star," according to Marc Berman of the New York Post.

I'd be ecstatic if Raptors could get Fred locked up for < 20M AAV but this stare down feels a little risky. Fred was our second best player last year behind Lowry who's turning 35. Fred is a team leader and the only every-day PG option on the roster. If Siakam is a good deal @ 30M+ how is Fred not a good deal @ 20M when Fred is currently the better player?

Who said Siakam at 30m is a good deal? Also we don’t have a superstar yet. If we did, I’d be ok with Fred at 20m, max. Teams without superstars shouldn’t start filling up their cap with average starters on 20+ mill contracts imo. Especially if they have flaws that can’t be overcome (height). I think there are certain situations where I’d want Fred back, but with our current roster/cap situation I don’t personally want to retain Fred at all, let alone at 20+ mill. We need as clean a slate as possible for Masai to do what he can when the Giannis FA starts. Hampering that for a slightly above average but undersized PG is too risky imo. His market value as an NBA player, and his value to us doesn’t equate.

[VanWest82]

Who said Siakam at 30m is a good deal? Also we don’t have a superstar yet. If we did, I’d be ok with Fred at 20m, max. Teams without superstars shouldn’t start filling up their cap with average starters on 20+ mill contracts imo. Especially if they have flaws that can’t be overcome (height). I think there are certain situations where I’d want Fred back, but with our current roster/cap situation I don’t personally want to retain Fred at all, let alone at 20+ mill. We need as clean a slate as possible for Masai to do what he can when the Giannis FA starts. Hampering that for a slightly above average but undersized PG is too risky imo. His market value as an NBA player, and his value to us doesn’t equate.

If you're letting guys like Fred walk why would someone like Giannis want to sign here?

[bstein14]

It's poor asset management for sure to let a good player walk in FA. They either should be all in on resigning him if they can get him at a fair price, or they should have moved him at the trade deadline for pieces for the future.

Clippers had Tobias Harris play great for them, offered him an extension at around $20 million per year, had Tobias decline wanting more money in FA so they traded him to Philly for 2 first round draft picks so they didn't lose an asset for nothing.

[pr0gr4m]

FVV isn't a good basketball player and could not start on a championship contender led by coalition unless it consists of more than a lone superstar.

OPTIONS
- I would offer 15M over 3 years for FVV. Then he can be traded to another franchise when the restriction is lifted.

- I would sign and trade him for Holiday or top 5 pick if a target prospect drops

[Morse Code]

Who said Siakam at 30m is a good deal? Also we don’t have a superstar yet. If we did, I’d be ok with Fred at 20m, max. Teams without superstars shouldn’t start filling up their cap with average starters on 20+ mill contracts imo. Especially if they have flaws that can’t be overcome (height). I think there are certain situations where I’d want Fred back, but with our current roster/cap situation I don’t personally want to retain Fred at all, let alone at 20+ mill. We need as clean a slate as possible for Masai to do what he can when the Giannis FA starts. Hampering that for a slightly above average but undersized PG is too risky imo. His market value as an NBA player, and his value to us doesn’t equate.

If you're letting guys like Fred walk why would someone like Giannis want to sign here?

Because that means you have more available money for better players, who you can consult with Giannis on before acquiring. More flexibility to build a team around a guy who at this point probably wants some input on the roster if that opportunity was offered to him.

[Morse Code]

It's poor asset management for sure to let a good player walk in FA. They either should be all in on resigning him if they can get him at a fair price, or they should have moved him at the trade deadline for pieces for the future.

Clippers had Tobias Harris play great for them, offered him an extension at around $20 million per year, had Tobias decline wanting more money in FA so they traded him to Philly for 2 first round draft picks so they didn't lose an asset for nothing.

100% agree. My stance is based on the fact that we have already passed that point. If we can re-sign him to a deal that very clearly makes him a great value trade piece, sure. If he’s going to be at 20+ there’s a chance that he becomes a neutral/negative value asset. That’s an unlikely scenario but even if it’s a possibility, and you don’t see Fred as part of the long term core, I think it’s a mistake to overvalue that asset and end up with less flexibility or more being required to clear space for a signing etc. The cap space has more value for us now than it ever has before, especially if it’s close to a clean slate but with a great base of role players.

[Basketball_Jones]

FVV isn't a good basketball player and could not start on a championship contender led by coalition unless it consists of more than a lone superstar.

OPTIONS
- I would offer 15M over 3 years for FVV. Then he can be traded to another franchise when the restriction is lifted.

- I would sign and trade him for Holiday or top 5 pick if a target prospect drops

Yeah he sucks but we can trade him for a top 5 pick or Jrue Holiday

[OhCanada1091]

Pay the man. Figure out Cap implications later

[C_Money]

Pay the man. Figure out Cap implications later

This is what I think Masai will do

[KrazyP]

It's poor asset management for sure to let a good player walk in FA. They either should be all in on resigning him if they can get him at a fair price, or they should have moved him at the trade deadline for pieces for the future.

Clippers had Tobias Harris play great for them, offered him an extension at around $20 million per year, had Tobias decline wanting more money in FA so they traded him to Philly for 2 first round draft picks so they didn't lose an asset for nothing.

The Clippers were a middling team when that happenned.

In direct contrast, the raps had like the 2nd or 3rd best record in the NBA near the trade deadline....teams in that position dont trade key pieces for picks regardless of upcoming contract status.

[iBall101]

Steady Freddy is better then Brogdon. Revisit the series last year for a refreshing reminder incase ya forgot

[mdenny]

This thread is like being in the twilight zone.

In a dimension where Fred van vleet did not become a miraculous find for the raptors. Did not put then over the top in the eastern conference finals....and in a championship series against the best nba dynasty since the bulls....against an offensive juggernaut of a point guard who the aforementioned fred was assigned to cover.

But I like it better this way. Ppl been underestimating Fred since the beginning.

I loved him since the first time he took the floor. He is ALWAYS at the right place on the floor at the RIGHT time. Positional IQ through the roof. Coach-like material.

The only other Raptor in history I can compare him to is Alvin Williams....the SECOND most underated Raptor of all time.

Both of them are top 10 raptors of all time because they got so many unspoken Raptor wins.

I pray Fred don't hear or read any of this ****. Gotta be thinking 'What does a guy have to do?'

It's like the twilight zone.

[DG88]

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[pilkoids]

No way he re-signs for under 20. It'll end up being 22M here, or 25M in NY.

If NY goes hard for Hayward/Eric Gordon, that reduces his leverage with us, but it will still be no less than 20M

[ATLTimekeeper]

My prediction is 4 years/92 million. I think the Raptors will come in with a big enough offer early to keep him from hunting a deal that might prolong their off-season. Training camp starts soon. They're gonna want to get their ducks in a row.

[TR50]

I see a lot of numbers and stuff floating around. Generally in the 4 year 80-90 mill range. Wouldn't we be able to give Fred a 5th year? Or are his years in the league preventative of that?

I would totally do 5/100 if that was possible.

[RaptorNews]

FVV isn't a good basketball player and could not start on a championship contender led by coalition unless it consists of more than a lone superstar.

OPTIONS
- I would offer 15M over 3 years for FVV. Then he can be traded to another franchise when the restriction is lifted.

- I would sign and trade him for Holiday or top 5 pick if a target prospect drops

Yeah he sucks but we can trade him for a top 5 pick or Jrue Holiday

This board sucks, that’s for sure

[Airball Salmons]

With reduced revenues for the next year or two, will organizations really cough up prime money for FAs?

[Tha Cynic]

FVV isn't a good basketball player and could not start on a championship contender led by coalition unless it consists of more than a lone superstar.

OPTIONS
- I would offer 15M over 3 years for FVV. Then he can be traded to another franchise when the restriction is lifted.

- I would sign and trade him for Holiday or top 5 pick if a target prospect drops

Exactly my take on him. He's no where as good as the hype. The Raptors have built a team that makes the collective look really good, but individually, they're not as good as they look in this system.

[douggood]

With reduced revenues for the next year or two, will organizations really cough up prime money for FAs?

there is a minimum salary each team has to meet, plus nba already taking money out for escrow, plus its prorated,

for example lowry $30mil salary is for 82 games, but they will only play 72 games, so he is gonna get 30/82 * 72 = 26ish, plus league is taking another 18% of that. so 26 is now apx $21 million.