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Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green

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Who do we get at #4

Jalen Suggs
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Jalen Green
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#201 » by Jim Todd Jr. » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:57 pm

I think Green has the most talent by far but Suggs just feels like a raptor...
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#202 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:04 pm

There goes my hero. Watch him as he goes.
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#203 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:10 pm

Man you guys are gonna be in for a surprise just looking at Suggs like a PG. I see him turning that corner like Wade did after he moved from PG to SG full time and focused on scoring. Suggs has all the scoring tools as well
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#204 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:15 pm

30 votes more for suggs over green huh. The athletic ability of Green has me drooling, it's too hard for me to pass up on
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#205 » by Rebel INS » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:21 pm

Why is Suggs being described as a lower ceiling (but high floor) guy, when he's a freshman/19 years old and appears to be an NBA level elite athlete?

Usually guys that get tagged as 'lower ceiling' have B level athleticism, are older Juniors/Seniors or both

Not a rhetorical question, haven't been following prospects that closely and am mostly just going off eye test - am I overestimating how athletic Suggs looks re: first step and explosiveness? Combined with a grown man frame he looks like a "best athlete on the floor" type in college and even if he's not a NBA level A+ Westbrook/Wall level explosive athlete, he seems way more quick twitch than the nba player comps I'm seeing (eg; Billups, Roy)

He has a lot of room to improve as a shooter (and is already decent enough that expecting shooting improvement isn't a pipedream), is a freshman one and done, and apparently has only spent a year solely focused on basketball

On paper you'd think you're describing a "high upside/potential superstar' guy
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#206 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:25 pm

Rebel INS wrote:Why is Suggs being described as a lower ceiling (but high floor) guy, when he's a freshman/19 years old and appears to be an NBA level elite athlete?

Usually guys that get tagged as 'lower ceiling' have B level athleticism, are older Juniors/Seniors or both

Not a rhetorical question, haven't been following prospects that closely and am mostly just going off eye test - am I overestimating how athletic Suggs looks re: first step and explosiveness? Combined with a grown man frame he looks like a "best athlete on the floor" type in college and even if he's not a NBA level A+ Westbrook/Wall level explosive athlete, he seems way more quick twitch than the nba player comps I'm seeing (eg; Billups, Roy)

He has a lot of room to improve as a shooter (and is already decent enough that expecting shooting improvement isn't a pipedream), is a freshman one and done, and apparently has only spent a year solely focused on basketball

On paper you'd think you're describing a "high upside/potential superstar' guy


Green has the Vince Carter Lavine type athletic abilities while Suggs would be closer to to say a fox minus the elite speed of fox but still speedy enough
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#207 » by rapstarter » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:25 pm

Rebel INS wrote:Why is Suggs being described as a lower ceiling (but high floor) guy, when he's a freshman/19 years old and appears to be an NBA level elite athlete?

Usually guys that get tagged as 'lower ceiling' have B level athleticism, are older Juniors/Seniors or both

Not a rhetorical question, haven't been following prospects that closely and am mostly just going off eye test - am I overestimating how athletic Suggs looks re: first step and explosiveness? Combined with a grown man frame he looks like a "best athlete on the floor" type in college and even if he's not a NBA level A+ Westbrook/Wall level explosive athlete, he seems way more quick twitch than the nba player comps I'm seeing (eg; Billups, Roy)

He has a lot of room to improve as a shooter (and is already decent enough that expecting shooting improvement isn't a pipedream), is a freshman one and done, and apparently has only spent a year solely focused on basketball

On paper you'd think you're describing a "high upside/potential superstar' guy


He doesn't look like he's an elite athlete, but I do think he's closer to one than an average athlete which is also what makes me curious why he's considered to have lower ceiling. I think his athleticism is being underrated like James Harden's or Brandon Roy's was when his in-game athleticism is actually very good.
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#208 » by DelAbbot » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:01 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Rebel INS wrote:Why is Suggs being described as a lower ceiling (but high floor) guy, when he's a freshman/19 years old and appears to be an NBA level elite athlete?

Usually guys that get tagged as 'lower ceiling' have B level athleticism, are older Juniors/Seniors or both

Not a rhetorical question, haven't been following prospects that closely and am mostly just going off eye test - am I overestimating how athletic Suggs looks re: first step and explosiveness? Combined with a grown man frame he looks like a "best athlete on the floor" type in college and even if he's not a NBA level A+ Westbrook/Wall level explosive athlete, he seems way more quick twitch than the nba player comps I'm seeing (eg; Billups, Roy)

He has a lot of room to improve as a shooter (and is already decent enough that expecting shooting improvement isn't a pipedream), is a freshman one and done, and apparently has only spent a year solely focused on basketball

On paper you'd think you're describing a "high upside/potential superstar' guy


Green has the Vince Carter Lavine type athletic abilities while Suggs would be closer to to say a fox minus the elite speed of fox but still speedy enough


Suggs has a crafty explosivenss to the rim, definitely above that of average NBA PG.
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Post#209 » by DelAbbot » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:08 pm

rapstarter wrote:
Rebel INS wrote:Why is Suggs being described as a lower ceiling (but high floor) guy, when he's a freshman/19 years old and appears to be an NBA level elite athlete?

Usually guys that get tagged as 'lower ceiling' have B level athleticism, are older Juniors/Seniors or both

Not a rhetorical question, haven't been following prospects that closely and am mostly just going off eye test - am I overestimating how athletic Suggs looks re: first step and explosiveness? Combined with a grown man frame he looks like a "best athlete on the floor" type in college and even if he's not a NBA level A+ Westbrook/Wall level explosive athlete, he seems way more quick twitch than the nba player comps I'm seeing (eg; Billups, Roy)

He has a lot of room to improve as a shooter (and is already decent enough that expecting shooting improvement isn't a pipedream), is a freshman one and done, and apparently has only spent a year solely focused on basketball

On paper you'd think you're describing a "high upside/potential superstar' guy


He doesn't look like he's an elite athlete, but I do think he's closer to one than an average athlete which is also what makes me curious why he's considered to have lower ceiling. I think his athleticism is being underrated like James Harden's or Brandon Roy's was when his in-game athleticism is actually very good.


Yeah, Suggs very sneaky explosive, and has the rare ability to dribble (with change of direction) on the fastbreak like Jason Kidd.

I'm very puzzled at why people think Green is better than Suggs. Suggs has a much more rounded offense to be a point guard, whereas Green is a shoot-first shooting guard.
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Post#210 » by Psubs » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:13 pm

Rebel INS wrote:Why is Suggs being described as a lower ceiling (but high floor) guy, when he's a freshman/19 years old and appears to be an NBA level elite athlete?

Usually guys that get tagged as 'lower ceiling' have B level athleticism, are older Juniors/Seniors or both

Not a rhetorical question, haven't been following prospects that closely and am mostly just going off eye test - am I overestimating how athletic Suggs looks re: first step and explosiveness? Combined with a grown man frame he looks like a "best athlete on the floor" type in college and even if he's not a NBA level A+ Westbrook/Wall level explosive athlete, he seems way more quick twitch than the nba player comps I'm seeing (eg; Billups, Roy)

He has a lot of room to improve as a shooter (and is already decent enough that expecting shooting improvement isn't a pipedream), is a freshman one and done, and apparently has only spent a year solely focused on basketball

On paper you'd think you're describing a "high upside/potential superstar' guy


I think it's like Jalen Green being like Zach Lavine and Suggs being like an SGA. It's really the slightly being quicker and slightly more athletic.
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#211 » by Psubs » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:15 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
rapstarter wrote:
Rebel INS wrote:Why is Suggs being described as a lower ceiling (but high floor) guy, when he's a freshman/19 years old and appears to be an NBA level elite athlete?

Usually guys that get tagged as 'lower ceiling' have B level athleticism, are older Juniors/Seniors or both

Not a rhetorical question, haven't been following prospects that closely and am mostly just going off eye test - am I overestimating how athletic Suggs looks re: first step and explosiveness? Combined with a grown man frame he looks like a "best athlete on the floor" type in college and even if he's not a NBA level A+ Westbrook/Wall level explosive athlete, he seems way more quick twitch than the nba player comps I'm seeing (eg; Billups, Roy)

He has a lot of room to improve as a shooter (and is already decent enough that expecting shooting improvement isn't a pipedream), is a freshman one and done, and apparently has only spent a year solely focused on basketball

On paper you'd think you're describing a "high upside/potential superstar' guy


He doesn't look like he's an elite athlete, but I do think he's closer to one than an average athlete which is also what makes me curious why he's considered to have lower ceiling. I think his athleticism is being underrated like James Harden's or Brandon Roy's was when his in-game athleticism is actually very good.


Yeah, Suggs very sneaky explosive, and has the rare ability to dribble (with change of direction) on the fastbreak like Jason Kidd.

I'm very puzzled at why people think Green is better than Suggs. Suggs has a much more rounded offense to be a point guard, whereas Green is a shoot-first shooting guard.


Suggs is half a year older but Green is a better 3pt shooter and shoots NBA range. Though Suggs can be a more athletic Jason Kidd.
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Post#212 » by arbsn » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:15 pm

Let's say their ceilings are Russell Westbrook (Green) and Chris Paul (Suggs)

Really no wrong answer here fellas...
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Post#213 » by Agimat » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:15 pm

Is Kemba Walker good comparison for Suggs?

I'm watching some highlights I can't decide they're all too good lol. We're lucky af!
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Post#214 » by PerfectJab » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:19 pm

RaptorPride wrote:It's Mobley if he falls


Pretty sure as well. He fits the BPA, up side, need and mold of a 2 way player. I think he's close to a sure thing when it comes to having an impact in the league.
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Post#215 » by billy_hoyle » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:28 pm

arbsn wrote:Let's say their ceilings are Russell Westbrook (Green) and Chris Paul (Suggs)

Really no wrong answer here fellas...


From watching I think the physical comps on athleticism/build are:
Green = Kobe/Lavine
Suggs = Rose

I don't have a great read on their play style comps, maybe:
Green = Beal
Suggs = B Roy
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Post#216 » by arbsn » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:30 pm

billy_hoyle wrote:
arbsn wrote:Let's say their ceilings are Russell Westbrook (Green) and Chris Paul (Suggs)

Really no wrong answer here fellas...


From watching I think the physical comps on athleticism/build are:
Green = Kobe/Lavine
Suggs = Rose

I don't have a great read on their play style comps, maybe:
Green = Beal
Suggs = B Roy


Fair enough... either way can't go wrong with Kobe/Beal mix or Rose/BRoy mix.
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Post#217 » by Thrilla4Manila » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:34 pm

All in 4 Green! Reppin the pinoy squad!
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Re: Jalen Suggs vs. Jalen Green 

Post#218 » by billy_hoyle » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:36 pm

arbsn wrote:
billy_hoyle wrote:
arbsn wrote:Let's say their ceilings are Russell Westbrook (Green) and Chris Paul (Suggs)

Really no wrong answer here fellas...


From watching I think the physical comps on athleticism/build are:
Green = Kobe/Lavine
Suggs = Rose

I don't have a great read on their play style comps, maybe:
Green = Beal
Suggs = B Roy


Fair enough... either way can't go wrong with Kobe/Beal mix or Rose/BRoy mix.


Agreed

Hence why people have been saying that it didn't matter where we drafted, as long as we move into the top 4.

High end prospects at the top of this draft.

Although wouldn't shock me if Masai and co liked someone else better.

Kuminga, Barnes, Sengun, Moody etc.
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Post#219 » by mulamutti » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:45 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote:I actually prefer Mobley, Suggs and Green over Cade.


Even tho we have #4, we still could get the best player


Probably not. Just go back the last 10 or even 20 years of drafts, and see how many of the top 4-5 picks are actually serviceable players right now. there's a 25-33 percent chance that a no. 4 pick is an all star. Those are reasonable odds, but it would really mean we need 3-4 no.4 picks in a row to guarantee one all star. If I were Masai, and we could trade for an all star or fringe all star player, I would do it in a heart beat. Unless the Raptors scouting staff are so much more confident than the statistics suggest.

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I did a little exercise of just going back any number of years, and seeing how many of the top 10 were even serviceable players in the NBA. It's really really bad. The draft is not a sure fire way of hitting a jackpot player, unless you do it for many many years. And even then there is no guarantees, ask the advocates of the sixers' Process.



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Post#220 » by Chandan » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:48 pm

Need a prolific scorer, green has a better chance in doing that.
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