ATLTimekeeper wrote:douggood wrote:Indeed wrote:
The Heat can't sign Lowry outright, so we are doing a favour to Lowry to sign at the price he gets. To do this, Heat needs to do S&T with Dragic, that is the only way for them.
YES YES YES the heat were going to sign lowry outright, go check cap room math, they had the space.
they only pickedup the dragic option AFTER the raptors agreed to trade for him in s&t, go see the reporting timeline, morning iggy option not picked up, afternoon dragic option picked up and within the hour WOJ is reporting a done deal s&t with raptors.
all the s&t did was give heat the ability to use MLE and BAE; they could have signed robinson without s&t as well. also gives them option to resign Olidipo with bird rights.
How are the Heat's interests not Kyle's interests? They literally went out and signed two guys he would have personally recruited (PJ and Markieff). This was always going to be an S&T. Mark Bartlestein set it up, and we likely signed Sam Dekker for his troubles.
Yeah, there aren't really competing interests here.
Did the way the transaction went down (or will go down) ultimately do more for the Heat's roster management? Yes.
Did our willingness to do a S&T allow Lowry to push for the 3/90 he wanted as opposed negotiating a likely lower number by signing directly? Yes.
There was probably an understanding between Kyle and Bobby/Masai to BOTH get the most out of the situation, and the more $ and years that Kyle gets in his advanced years, the harder it will be for the Heat to manage in future years. That they went and maxed out Butler and gave a ton to Robinson is good for us 2 or 3 or 4 years down the road when we are ascending and they are trying to figure out end of bench guys for the minimum because Klow and Butler make $75 mil combined. That is good for us.
For all we know, our side asked the Heat to include Dragic so that the deal became easier to make, to get more $$ for Kyle, and to allow Toronto to go chase additional value on the return by moving Goran elsewhere, or just as easily bring him off the bench as a veteran and capable ballhandler, passer and playmaker - skills we are in need of. This stuff will come out after things are official and people are more willing to shine some light on how it all came together - while being careful to not say anything that could look like tampering, because you know the Bucks FO will be all over that. Not only are the Heat a likely playoff opponent, but rumor has been that it was Riley who filed the grievance with the NBA over the Bogdanovic tampering.
Ultimately, we knew it was time to part ways and that he could leave for nothing. Working together to get us anything is wise, as long as it fits overall into what we're doing. I think if they were trying to dump a bad contract on us (with years) then we tell Riley to find a 3rd team for that contract or go ahead and sign Kyle directly. That we are getting a decent rookie-scale prospect in Achiuwa, ideally rookie-scale another prospect from Dallas, along with modest filler and maybe 2nd rounders - well that ain't bad for a 35yo.
I'm happy that we are able to help Kyle squeeze them for 3/90, which is way above and beyond what anyone in these part would be willing to pay, as I think 2/50 or 3/60 is what even Kyle himself was floating out there as his goals for the next deal. He needs to buy Chris Paul a nice watch, I think. Kyle has helped inflate the value of others for his entire time as a Raptor, so it's about time that he was able to benefit from someone else raising his value too.
