Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[PhilBlackson]

Fred for Green makes some sense if we got Kuminga.

GSW was reluctant to send Kuminga for OG, there's certainly not doing it for a mini-guard to put next to Steph and hurt their ailing defensive identity even more lol not to mention have to pay Fred and go into a stupid level of lux tax to S&T for.

Simply not happening.

I think the reality of the "youth movment" hit a bit harder this year. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Curry's window has them cap committed.

Nontheless they're not trading their best young prospect to get mini FVV, hurt their defence even more, would not put them over the top & to pay stupid amount of tax for lol we won't even talk about how Fred whines about his lack of "rhythm" shooting when he doesn't get high usage and numbers have already dropped across the board. His usage would be even less there. It makes absolutely no sense & that's just the bottomline.

...and if the Green referring to is Draymond who GSW said their is mutual interest to bring back who is also the engine that revs up the team and is still their best team defender who helps Steph & Klay get great looks then trade is even more ridiculous.

[deeps6x]

Draft night trade: Poole + Kuminga + Moody + 2023 First + 2025 First for Siakam

So Poole would be our slight GTJ upgrade with a very large increase in salary for the SG position. Kuminga and the picks I like. The one thing Masai still does well is draft players. Moody, I haven't seen enough of him, so that feels like a throw in to make salaries work.

Also, Poole, to me, it felt like he got over paid so that he wouldn't sue the team over the punch. Doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong. It just feels like this is what happened. Everyone was shocked at the size of his contract.

Clearly these players aren't replacing what we get from Pascal, so we'd obviously be in a rebuild mode. What other trades would go down? Do we sell high on OG or hope we can extend him for a 140% raise and make him part of the future core? Obviously we'd be letting GTJ walk in this scenario. Would FVV even want to come back? I wouldn't think so.

If we extend OG and sign the Austrian Hammer, there is no way we can tank hard enough to keep our pick. If we trade OG and don't sign Poeltl, then we are in full on tank mode, and might as well be trying to flip a few other players for picks, like Porter and Boucher.

[WuTang_CMB]

I'd rather keep OG over Siakam and I'm sure POR feels the same way if they had their choosing if they even consider trading Sharpe. That's why I don't think theres going to be a deal made.

[HumbleRen]

I want Kuminga.

I want whoever's in your avatar.

[TNRaps4life]

There’s been an unspoken two-timeline tug-of-war the last few years, as the roster beneath the Curry core has been overloaded with youth with an eye toward the future. It reached a tipping point this season and the James Wiseman for Gary Payton II trade was viewed as a necessary concession, reprioritizing the present.

But some tension persists. Jonathan Kuminga had an encouraging second season, emerging into the type of individual defender and slashing wing who should carve out a long career in the NBA. He was great down the stretch of the regular season, helping the Warriors get into the playoffs while Andrew Wiggins was away from the team for a couple months. Kuminga averaged 13.2 points in 24.2 minutes in the 21 games after the All-Star break.

But Wiggins returned, Payton entered the lineup and Kuminga was pulled from the playoff rotation, generating frustration for a young player trying to get his career off the ground and a front office that doesn’t view him as a failed draft pick.

There’s an acknowledgement from the Warriors’ decision makers that some amount of rotation retooling is needed this summer. That could put Kuminga’s future in question. It’s been difficult to fit him into lineup combinations with both Green and Kevon Looney – two non-shooters – and that frontcourt logjam ahead of him is expected to remain in place.

The Warriors and Kuminga’s representatives are expected to discuss his future this offseason, league sources say. Golden State will need to decide whether Kuminga will receive a full-time role moving forward, and, if not, league sources say the No. 7 pick in the 2021 NBA Draft will want to be somewhere he can play more.

But it’s Jordan Poole’s future that is of greater question. His contract extension kicks in next season at $27.4 million. That spike, along with retaining Green, would put the Warriors in a luxury tax tier that could be a non-starter for Lacob. It also now contains other roster-building restrictions, including the loss of the midlevel exception, which allowed them to get Donte DiVincenzo this past summer.

If cost-cutting is required, he profiles as the likeliest candidate. Poole had a turbulent fourth season, beginning when he took the infamous preseason punch from Green during a training camp practice. Poole kept it professional in the aftermath and tensions cooled enough for the two to work together. But the relationship was never fully repaired and Poole’s struggles didn’t help the mood, culminating in a challenging playoffs that saw his efficiency plummet and minutes get reduced.

There’s still hesitancy to move him. Poole averaged 20.4 points this season and has potent offensive capability that is lacking on the roster below Curry and will be needed as the core ages further. Is it wise to move off of that when his value is at its lowest in 12 months? Will the money crunch dictate it?

From shams.

I think dynasty is over. Fantastic run though. Curry is curry but rest of the core like klay are declining. Their draft picks havent developed. Drafting wiseman was a misfire. Kuminga has potential but needs a bigger role to see exactly what he is. Moody hardly plays. Poole got a big contract and clearly needs a new change of scenary. Plus bob myers might walk. Lacob can see the end and dont think he wants to pay all that extra cash for this team

They could still compete for a chip next year if they want to. Curry and Wiggins should be the focal points. The failure with the 2 timelines thing is that the young guys aren't that good. If they could find a way to add another guy like pascal (not sure how they do that) they would definitely have as good a chance as anyone to win next year.

They have a new arena so no way they rebuild. Curry would not stay if they rebuild.

[mtcan]

From shams.

I think dynasty is over. Fantastic run though. Curry is curry but rest of the core like klay are declining. Their draft picks havent developed. Drafting wiseman was a misfire. Kuminga has potential but needs a bigger role to see exactly what he is. Moody hardly plays. Poole got a big contract and clearly needs a new change of scenary. Plus bob myers might walk. Lacob can see the end and dont think he wants to pay all that extra cash for this team

They could still compete for a chip next year if they want to. Curry and Wiggins should be the focal points. The failure with the 2 timelines thing is that the young guys aren't that good. If they could find a way to add another guy like pascal (not sure how they do that) they would definitely have as good a chance as anyone to win next year.

They have a new arena so no way they rebuild. Curry would not stay if they rebuild.

No way GS breaks up the core as long as Steph is a top 10 player still.

I don't know if Klay and Draymond would settle for a pay cut on their next contracts and that might be the reason why the core doesn't stay together but if everyone is willing to come back on less money...Warriors will be looking to add another all-star.

I don't know how much a Siakam and OG on an expiring contract will get you back though.

[refshateRaps]

We're not in the business of helping other teams.

Seriously, I thought the Colangelo era was over?

Why do people support this garbage of building other teams, when we have tradeable assets to acquire disgruntled stars?

[Ackshun]

Can we package guys in a sign + trade ?

Flipping Fred for Poole would be amazing

Guys, the warrior need more size. They got abused by AD that's why they lost. Why would they want our hobbit?

I think you fail to understand how much better Fred is than Poole.

Hard disagree with you on this one bro.

Hard hard hard disagree.

[bluerap23]

Guys, the warrior need more size. They got abused by AD that's why they lost. Why would they want our hobbit?

I think you fail to understand how much better Fred is than Poole.

Hard disagree with you on this one bro.

Hard hard hard disagree.

You guys that call Fred a chucker and want Poole have obviously not watched much GS ball.

[TravisScott55]

Not trading Siakam unless we are getting back Sharpe or Jalen Green

[agkagk]

I'd rather keep OG over Siakam and I'm sure POR feels the same way if they had their choosing if they even consider trading Sharpe. That's why I don't think theres going to be a deal made.

If herro and Poole are getting 30 million a year take a wild guess what og can expect to make.

Just some food for thought.

Still Better than paying siakam 45 or so.

[bballsparkin]

I'd only want Poole for the assets attached. He's fun to watch on another team but not sure I want him on mine.

[Kingsway_fan]

Not trading Siakam unless we are getting back Sharpe or Jalen Green

We are not trading an allstar unless similar coming back...

[Dude-niagara]

We're not in the business of helping other teams.

Seriously, I thought the Colangelo era was over?

Why do people support this garbage of building other teams, when we have tradeable assets to acquire disgruntled stars?

The Raptors need to look at trading either Siakam or Barnes and unless they feel they can contend for a title in the next 2 seasons then they should trade Siakam before paying him. Siakam fanboys need to accept that Barnes and Siakam cannot coexist, they play the same type of game in the post and the same position. Combined with Yak they present a massive floor spacing problem. One of those 2 will always be left out if you play them togethe and it had a big part of why Barnes did not have better production last seasonr.

So while Siakam fanboys want to pretend there is no massive overlap issue, there is and our FO needs to choose one of the two. Either trade Siaksam for a package of younger guards and some picks or trade Barnes along with Boucher and Young's contract to another team to bring in another vet start to help capture Siakam existing 2-3 year window. Moving forward with both guys next season will;l not end well over then Siakam putting up more empty stats and the team still being unbalanced roster mess. Masai said the team was not a good fit and that starts with Siakam and Barnes together.

[PhilBlackson]

Not trading Siakam unless we are getting back Sharpe or Jalen Green

We are not trading an allstar unless similar coming back...

Like who?! lol

You very rarely ever see teams just swap established all-star level talents. It’s either they’re included in a package to get a superstar (which wouldn’t make sense for us to package on an already thin roster) or for a younger player with high upside with other assets included. Just some of you are so ridiculous that you expect clearly high upside young players to already be established and if that were the case we wouldn’t have a chance to get them at all see SGA pre-PG trade (which is exactly the type of play we need to do with Pascal) vs now (OKC won’t even consider a trade for him for anything we have). Some serious delusion on this board of how to acquire high level talent.

[Rapsfan07]

The OG for Sharpe trade sailed the moment POR got the kid in the gym with his teammates, his talent & upside is obvious.

Imagine in Scottie's rookie year someone was asking us to trade him for a top 3+D player despite the fact POR was actually WORSE than us in this bad year. It would be unthinkable so let it go lol. I'm probably the biggest Sharpe stan on this board and was saying it BEFORE the draft when the rumours had come out that POR was willing to trade the 7th pick for OG that we should've done it to get Shaedon (not Daniels although I think he has some great upside too) when we had the chance. That moment has passed.

Now you gotta hope that POR is willing to part with THIS year's pick for either of OG (preferably maybe for both parties assuming Dame continues to apply pressure to trade it/POR even listens to it and that OG would be willing to sign an extension) or Pascal. Although I'm not even sure Ausar has the same level upside of Sharpe (debateable), that's the "player" you'd have to convince POR to part with. They can already see that Shaedon MAY either become the face of the franchise post-Dame or at minimum a very marketable star for their fans for years to come with his INSANE athleticism - one way or the other that kid is going to put butts in seats in the future, don't think ownership is blind to that.

There's no attachment to someone like Ausar yet and their fans haven't had a chance to connect to him. I think Shaedon is coming in more talented than Ausar was BUT if this team can get the most out of Ausar, there could be a star level talent there as well. That would be my focus, VERY unfortunately the hope of getting Sharpe is in the rearview mirror.

I disagree. The point still stands that if Portland is going to build around Dame, they have very limited assets with which to do so and a lot upgrades to make.

Whether or not a deal is made with us is another matter entirely but if they will need to move Simons and/or Sharpe.

Or they move Dame. It's one or the other.

[Raptorfan2012]

I rather have Wiggins than Poole. I read somewhere that Wiggins can’t be traded until October?

[refshateRaps]

We're not in the business of helping other teams.

Seriously, I thought the Colangelo era was over?

Why do people support this garbage of building other teams, when we have tradeable assets to acquire disgruntled stars?

The Raptors need to look at trading either Siakam or Barnes and unless they feel they can contend for a title in the next 2 seasons then they should trade Siakam before paying him. Siakam fanboys need to accept that Barnes and Siakam cannot coexist, they play the same type of game in the post and the same position. Combined with Yak they present a massive floor spacing problem. One of those 2 will always be left out if you play them togethe and it had a big part of why Barnes did not have better production last seasonr.

So while Siakam fanboys want to pretend there is no massive overlap issue, there is and our FO needs to choose one of the two. Either trade Siaksam for a package of younger guards and some picks or trade Barnes along with Boucher and Young's contract to another team to bring in another vet start to help capture Siakam existing 2-3 year window. Moving forward with both guys next season will;l not end well over then Siakam putting up more empty stats and the team still being unbalanced roster mess. Masai said the team was not a good fit and that starts with Siakam and Barnes together.

Ive been saying this since before last season. Especially when Barnes value was at an ATH with a generous ROY award on his back.

We wasted an entire year.

Im all for trading Siakam but that is only if Barnes + fillers can + picks cant net us a stud scorer beside Pascal who is one of the most legit #2 players in the League.

[Rapsfan07]

Seriously, I thought the Colangelo era was over?

Why do people support this garbage of building other teams, when we have tradeable assets to acquire disgruntled stars?

The Raptors need to look at trading either Siakam or Barnes and unless they feel they can contend for a title in the next 2 seasons then they should trade Siakam before paying him. Siakam fanboys need to accept that Barnes and Siakam cannot coexist, they play the same type of game in the post and the same position. Combined with Yak they present a massive floor spacing problem. One of those 2 will always be left out if you play them togethe and it had a big part of why Barnes did not have better production last seasonr.

So while Siakam fanboys want to pretend there is no massive overlap issue, there is and our FO needs to choose one of the two. Either trade Siaksam for a package of younger guards and some picks or trade Barnes along with Boucher and Young's contract to another team to bring in another vet start to help capture Siakam existing 2-3 year window. Moving forward with both guys next season will;l not end well over then Siakam putting up more empty stats and the team still being unbalanced roster mess. Masai said the team was not a good fit and that starts with Siakam and Barnes together.

Ive been saying this since before last season. Especially when Barnes value was at an ATH with a generous ROY award on his back.

We wasted an entire year.

Im all for trading Siakam but that is only if Barnes + fillers can + picks cant net us a stud scorer beside Pascal who is one of the most legit #2 players in the League.

Doesn't matter what Barnes could next us, the FO will not trade him. If they didn't move him in a Durant package, I promise you they won't move him at all.

The only way forward is to move on from Siakam.

[Tacoma]

The Raptors need to look at trading either Siakam or Barnes and unless they feel they can contend for a title in the next 2 seasons then they should trade Siakam before paying him. Siakam fanboys need to accept that Barnes and Siakam cannot coexist, they play the same type of game in the post and the same position. Combined with Yak they present a massive floor spacing problem. One of those 2 will always be left out if you play them togethe and it had a big part of why Barnes did not have better production last seasonr.

So while Siakam fanboys want to pretend there is no massive overlap issue, there is and our FO needs to choose one of the two. Either trade Siaksam for a package of younger guards and some picks or trade Barnes along with Boucher and Young's contract to another team to bring in another vet start to help capture Siakam existing 2-3 year window. Moving forward with both guys next season will;l not end well over then Siakam putting up more empty stats and the team still being unbalanced roster mess. Masai said the team was not a good fit and that starts with Siakam and Barnes together.

Ive been saying this since before last season. Especially when Barnes value was at an ATH with a generous ROY award on his back.

We wasted an entire year.

Im all for trading Siakam but that is only if Barnes + fillers can + picks cant net us a stud scorer beside Pascal who is one of the most legit #2 players in the League.

Doesn't matter what Barnes could next us, the FO will not trade him. If they didn't move him in a Durant package, I promise you they won't move him at all.

The only way forward is to move on from Siakam.

When Durant issued his trade demand last summer, Barnes had won ROY coming off an excellent season. Unfortunately his 2nd season wasn't so hot. Masai has also shown willingness to risk the future by selling draft capital to win in the present.

As well, Masai has been enamored with Siakam and continue to see his upside more than other GM's, and also Siakam is our best hope for a highest seed next season which Masai is gunning for since we don't have our 2024 pick. Thus based on recent past, I wouldn't put it past him to sell Barnes over Siakam if the right package came along. Barnes is likely no longer untouchable.