Hollinger: League wide speculation that POR will trade Simons + #3 for “elite forward”

[pilkoids]

I think charlotte would be stupid to pass on Scoot for Miller but that’s just me. If it happens though, Raps gotta be aggressive. We have zero guards on this team. Would be nice to have a PG of the future.

What is FVV? Chopped liver?

Fred's not coming back.

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[deeps6x]

I just can’t see this trade happening with the Raptors. Siakam and OG are both expiring so the trade creates too much risk. Even if they include 13. Maybe if they get a promise via their agent or something.

If a promise does get made I suppose OG+13 for Simons+3 makes some sense for both teams

New Orleans has more assets to get a deal done. They could do 3+Simons+Little for Brandon Ingram + Alvarado + 14 which would trump our offer

Brandon Ingram has the best value out of all the players and picks on those teams. No way Pelicans even trade him. I wouldn't be surprised if they're more willing to trade Zion.

Yep, Ingram, Brown and Siakam are all roughly equal as players, stats wise, but Ingram has that extra year on his current contract, and he is the youngest of the three.

And the Pelicans aren't about to tear it all down for picks. Neither is Boston. Probably neither is Toronto, but Toronto really should be considering doing just that.

[mtcan]

its gonna be Siakam

if its OG and filler, that would be a surprise

Ya...who else would it be?

Julius Randle? - there is no way Randle is worth #3.

KAT? - possible...but he would make the Blazers already bad defence...much much much worse. But maybe the plan is to pair Ant Edwards with Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller?

Jaylen Brown? - I can't imagine a contending team trading their 2nd best player for a draft pick.

Lauri Markkanen? - had a great breakout season but worthy of a #3 pick?

Mikal Bridges? - great defender, pretty good shooter ---rebounding and passing is lacking---I think it's too soon to consider him elite. He needs to do more than take all the shots on a bad Brooklyn team before considering him elite.

Pascal? - 2 time NBA all-star; 2 time all-NBA; Most Improved Player; NBA champion and bonafide 2nd option on a championship team

Why is there no way Randle worth #3 but Siakam is worth it?

Randle is also a 2x NBA all-star, 2x all-NBA, Most Improved Player. Their stat lines are quite similar with Randle being the slightly better 3PT shooter and rebounder, while Siakam has Championship experience for what that's worth.

Both can be legit 2nd options but I would argue neither are good enough to contend for a Championship when paired with Dame. Portland will need more than just Dame + Siakam/Randle. That's why OG is in the equation.

Numbers and awards are similar for sure, but Pascal is a better defender and a tad bit more efficient...and we have seen him perform a bit better in the playoffs vs Randle, who always seems to implode in the playoffs.

[Johnny Bball]

Listening to the Athletic podcast with the Blazers beat writer and he seemed pretty certain they were trading the pick and Simons for a forward. He said he thinks Dame’s first choice is Bridges but Nets are not looking to move him it appears by all reports. Pascal was a definite next target. When he was asked about Paul George, he seemed to think that was a possibility too as far as what the Blazers were looking for. Hopefully George doesn’t come on the market because that would screw with the market for our guys I think.
Interestingly the Detroit writer seemed very interested in OG for #5 later in the pod.

No offense to Paul George but I take Siakam before PG13 just because you can never rely on PG13s health. He's 33, averaged 40 games a year for 4 years, missed 2 post seasons and wasn't great the 2 he played. I wouldn't care if he had beeen slightly better in the past.

Not sure why the nets would trade for picks when they cannot tank. So this deal may actually be one rumour that is possible.

[TorontoBarneys]

Have a feeling they will extend Siakam to a friendly deal and then trade him so his value is maximized. OG will be given at least half a season to see what he does without Siakam around as he might go the way of Mikal and explode in productivity, there have been some hints. I think they trade OG at the deadline at the earliest, but I think his extension is up in Oct I believe.

Gotta remove the fact that they are both rentals at the moment before they are effective trade bait.

[deeps6x]

Portland In: Siakam, Hardaway, Turner, McConnell, #13 (via TOR)
Portland Out: Simons, Sharpe, #3, Nurkic, Grant, #23 (via NYK)

Dallas In: Capella, Collins, #26 (via IND via CLE)
Dallas Out: Hardaway, Bertans, Wood, #10

Atlanta In: Grant, Wood, #29 (via IND, via BOS)
Atlanta Out: Capella, Collins, #15

Toronto In: Simons, Sharpe, #7 (via IND), #10 (via DAL)
Toronto Out: Siakam, #13

Indiana In: #3 (via POR), #15 (via ATL), Nurkic, Bertans, #23 (NYK via POR)
Indiana Out: #7, Turner, McConnell, #26, #29

POR: Lillard/Hardaway/Thybulle/Siakam/Turner
DAL: Irving/Green/Doncic/Collins/Capella
ATL: Young/Murray/Hunter/Grant/Wood

Pacers will add either Scoot or Miller to the rebuild as well as two others. Toronto will begin the rebuild with Sharpe, #7 and #10

The thing is, Indy is fine for guards and bigs, they need a wing. And the Raps are the opposite. They don't need to move Turner on a good contract for 2 bigs who are way overpaid and term, just to move up to draft a guard.

They would rather just trade #7 and add extra picks to add a wing that can play now...but still young.

I thought Wood was a UFA so how can Dallas trade him? That aside...

Would Indy be willing to part with #7 and Hield for OG? I'm not saying I'd want to do that, but if we somehow trade Siakam for #3 in some kind of deal with Portland, maybe a complete teardown would be in order.

[Johnny Bball]

Have a feeling they will extend Siakam to a friendly deal and then trade him so his value is maximized. OG will be given at least half a season to see what he does without Siakam around as he might go the way of Mikal and explode in productivity, there have been some hints. I think they trade OG at the deadline at the earliest, but I think his extension is up in Oct I believe.

Gotta remove the fact that they are both rentals at the moment before they are effective trade bait.

Well that's not happening because they wouldn't be able to trade Siakam for 6 months after extending him. I mean, its been part of the CBA forever.

[mtcan]

Have a feeling they will extend Siakam to a friendly deal and then trade him so his value is maximized. OG will be given at least half a season to see what he does without Siakam around as he might go the way of Mikal and explode in productivity, there have been some hints. I think they trade OG at the deadline at the earliest, but I think his extension is up in Oct I believe.

Gotta remove the fact that they are both rentals at the moment before they are effective trade bait.

I don't think OG can be extended. He has a player option that he declines next summer.

[Psubs]

Have a feeling they will extend Siakam to a friendly deal and then trade him so his value is maximized. OG will be given at least half a season to see what he does without Siakam around as he might go the way of Mikal and explode in productivity, there have been some hints. I think they trade OG at the deadline at the earliest, but I think his extension is up in Oct I believe.

Gotta remove the fact that they are both rentals at the moment before they are effective trade bait.

Since Siakam won't get supermax, extend him and trade him next draft unless they make it to the ECF.

Extend OG to whatever it takes.

S&T Fred for best package and destination he's cool with.

S&T GTJr for best package and destination he's cool with.

[dagger]

lol @ people thinking it's OG.

It's Mikal.

They have more chance of getting Miles than Mikal.

[mtcan]

lol @ people thinking it's OG.

It's Mikal.

They have more chance of getting Miles than Mikal.

Don't forget...the Nets have zero incentive to tank. They owe picks to teams like Houston.

They owe a first round pick and second round pick to Houston in 2024.

There is a first round pick swap in 2025 to Houston (it's entangled with OKC apparently)

They owe a first round pick to Houston in 2026.

There is a first round pick swap in 2027 and a second round pick owed to Houston.


So the Nets really shouldn't be looking to trade Bridges.

I hope that puts that talk to bed. Bridges isn't going anywhere. The Nets are going to be buyers in free agency and trade.

[Rapsfan07]

Portland In: Siakam, Hardaway, Turner, McConnell, #13 (via TOR)
Portland Out: Simons, Sharpe, #3, Nurkic, Grant, #23 (via NYK)

Dallas In: Capella, Collins, #26 (via IND via CLE)
Dallas Out: Hardaway, Bertans, Wood, #10

Atlanta In: Grant, Wood, #29 (via IND, via BOS)
Atlanta Out: Capella, Collins, #15

Toronto In: Simons, Sharpe, #7 (via IND), #10 (via DAL)
Toronto Out: Siakam, #13

Indiana In: #3 (via POR), #15 (via ATL), Nurkic, Bertans, #23 (NYK via POR)
Indiana Out: #7, Turner, McConnell, #26, #29

POR: Lillard/Hardaway/Thybulle/Siakam/Turner
DAL: Irving/Green/Doncic/Collins/Capella
ATL: Young/Murray/Hunter/Grant/Wood

Pacers will add either Scoot or Miller to the rebuild as well as two others. Toronto will begin the rebuild with Sharpe, #7 and #10

Grant is a UFA and Portland is getting fleeced from their own trade lol. Giving up your whole roster and youth for role players sans Siakam. Hawks say no too, much rather have Cap/Collins and the higher pick than Wood/Grant. Nurk and Turner is a wash and moved up 4 spots for 2 late firsts PLUS Bertains and a late first back? What a bargain.

As much as I want the raps to fleece other teams, this is a highway robbery for us lol

Portland is getting fleeced? How? They're giving Simons, #3 and Sharpe, two of which they'd have to give up to acquire Siakam ALONE anyways. Grant is a S&T who was leaving anyway and they needed to upgrade Nurk as well. So essentially they turn Sharpe, Nurk and #23 into #13, Turner, Hardaway and McConnell. I don't see how they got fleeced.

As far as Atlanta goes, idk what they say. I suppose that depends on whether they want to rebuild or move off Young or not. Still, I don't think they say no. Collins is owed a lot of money and arguably should require a first round pick to offload. Here, they get two valuable starters in Grant and Wood and only move down to offload Collins. If anything, I think they take this and run as fast as they can. Dallas is only taking this one because they're getting rid of quite a bit of salary and plugging holes on their team at the cost of 10, which again, I think is reasonable.

Indiana is the only place I agree with you. Although Turner and Nurk is absolutely not a wash lol Turner>>>Nurk IMO and is exactly what the Blazers need in the middle defensively. Essentially, they turn Turner + #7 into #3, turn McConnell into Bertans + 1st and turn #26 & #29 into #23, which makes Nurkic free and that's not right.

As for Toronto's haul, the most I'd be willing to do is add Boucher going out somewhere and taking back Bertans. The issue is I don't think Simons and Sharpe alone is enough for Siakam straight up and Portland wants more if they're moving #3. Siakam for Simons, Sharpe and #7 is much more palatable and then we're sending out #13 as well. So yeah, sending out Boucher and taking back Bertans I think should be enough to close the gap between #13 and #10.

For what it's worth, I did consider sending Nembhard out to balance the deal a little more but I have no idea where to send him.

[WuTang_CMB]

I think charlotte would be stupid to pass on Scoot for Miller but that’s just me. If it happens though, Raps gotta be aggressive. We have zero guards on this team. Would be nice to have a PG of the future.

What is FVV? Chopped liver?

Yes

[ArthurVandelay]

Have a feeling they will extend Siakam to a friendly deal and then trade him so his value is maximized. OG will be given at least half a season to see what he does without Siakam around as he might go the way of Mikal and explode in productivity, there have been some hints. I think they trade OG at the deadline at the earliest, but I think his extension is up in Oct I believe.

Gotta remove the fact that they are both rentals at the moment before they are effective trade bait.

Well that's not happening because they wouldn't be able to trade Siakam for 6 months after extending him. I mean, its been part of the CBA forever.

And it’s been changed in the new CBA effective July 1st.

[ArthurVandelay]

Why does everyone keep saying Grant is leaving and then trying to S&T him?

If he’s leaving it means he has a contract arranged with a team that has cap space. He’s an unrestricted free agent. He can go where he wants.

[Rapsfan07]

Portland In: Siakam, Hardaway, Turner, McConnell, #13 (via TOR)
Portland Out: Simons, Sharpe, #3, Nurkic, Grant, #23 (via NYK)

Dallas In: Capella, Collins, #26 (via IND via CLE)
Dallas Out: Hardaway, Bertans, Wood, #10

Atlanta In: Grant, Wood, #29 (via IND, via BOS)
Atlanta Out: Capella, Collins, #15

Toronto In: Simons, Sharpe, #7 (via IND), #10 (via DAL)
Toronto Out: Siakam, #13

Indiana In: #3 (via POR), #15 (via ATL), Nurkic, Bertans, #23 (NYK via POR)
Indiana Out: #7, Turner, McConnell, #26, #29

POR: Lillard/Hardaway/Thybulle/Siakam/Turner
DAL: Irving/Green/Doncic/Collins/Capella
ATL: Young/Murray/Hunter/Grant/Wood

Pacers will add either Scoot or Miller to the rebuild as well as two others. Toronto will begin the rebuild with Sharpe, #7 and #10

The thing is, Indy is fine for guards and bigs, they need a wing. And the Raps are the opposite. They don't need to move Turner on a good contract for 2 bigs who are way overpaid and term, just to move up to draft a guard.

They would rather just trade #7 and add extra picks to add a wing that can play now...but still young.

Maybe. I suppose that depends on how they view a potential Scoot/Haliburton backcourt. To me, that sounds pretty good. Miller could also be there at 3, which solves their problem.

[Chandan]

I wonder if Portland regrets tanking. Feels like the ball is in their court.

[Rapsfan07]

And we might have to include Og in that trade because I think Portland would be one piece away from contending in the west. Hopefully they can use their future draft capital to acquire some benching scoring and depth mid season

Nah bro. Lol I think that trade actually helps everyone involved. Portland has #13 and their future firsts to go out and try and get that final piece if they think they're still missing something

[Johnny Bball]

Have a feeling they will extend Siakam to a friendly deal and then trade him so his value is maximized. OG will be given at least half a season to see what he does without Siakam around as he might go the way of Mikal and explode in productivity, there have been some hints. I think they trade OG at the deadline at the earliest, but I think his extension is up in Oct I believe.

Gotta remove the fact that they are both rentals at the moment before they are effective trade bait.

Well that's not happening because they wouldn't be able to trade Siakam for 6 months after extending him. I mean, its been part of the CBA forever.

And it’s been changed in the new CBA effective July 1st.

The amount of the extension has to 150%. I didn't see anything on removing the trade restriction.

[alpngso]

Blazers aint getting Mikal with #3 pick. He showed much more after being traded to BKN

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