Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[HumbleRen]

That shooting form is stinky.

At this point I just gotta raise my hands up to the basketball gods and pray the form just works lol.

[MiamiSPX]

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Meanwhile everyone out there was saying he needs to grow up, and working with selfish dickbags shouldn't impact your mood lol.

It's crazy how people could just put on the horse blinders seeing how selfish some players were last year.

I find Barnes rubs a lot of Raptors fans the wrong way. and I don't know why. Is he immature? Sure, in a goofy, I'm going to play video games all night, kind of way. But I haven't seem or heard anything egregious.

Maybe I'm missing something but I find him to be a really likeable kid.

[PhilBlackson]

I swear Scottie is gonna be built something like a slightly smaller Dwight Howard by the time he reaches his "manbody" age lol

I really think scoring wise he should try to learn the Mailman's style first with that big frame, if he can have some decent touch/feel from the mid-range which looked like it was starting to develop towards the end of the season -- Scottie could be a beast.

Personally if I'm the coaching staff I'd try to develop Scottie to play something like a Malone/Magic hybrid and then pray over time he adds a little more "Kawhi" touch from 3 lol. Even if he never became a good 3pt shooter, I think blending those 2 players styles of game could be the quickest pathway to become a legit star in the league.

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Meanwhile everyone out there was saying he needs to grow up, and working with selfish dickbags shouldn't impact your mood lol.

It's crazy how people could just put on the horse blinders seeing how selfish some players were last year.

I find Barnes rubs a lot of Raptors fans the wrong way. and I don't know why. Is he immature? Sure, in a goofy, I'm going to play video games all night, kind of way. But I haven't seem or heard anything egregious.

Maybe I'm missing something but I find him to be a really likeable kid.

Yeah I don't get it, people complaining about his maturity level, like they were all well seasoned and grown up at the age of 20/21. He's a goofball, that's what I find endearing about him, and hope that helps him be resilient to the crap that comes along with being an athlete. People were gushing over Gradey and his dumb videos (which were great btw) but at the same time dumping on Scottie for being a kid at 21? Like wtf.

[Scase]

That shooting form is stinky.

At this point I just gotta raise my hands up to the basketball gods and pray the form just works lol.

As long as it goes in, I'm happy lol.

[tsherkin]

Meanwhile everyone out there was saying he needs to grow up, and working with selfish dickbags shouldn't impact your mood lol.

It's crazy how people could just put on the horse blinders seeing how selfish some players were last year.

I find Barnes rubs a lot of Raptors fans the wrong way. and I don't know why. Is he immature? Sure, in a goofy, I'm going to play video games all night, kind of way. But I haven't seem or heard anything egregious.

Maybe I'm missing something but I find him to be a really likeable kid.

Yeah I don't get it, people complaining about his maturity level, like they were all well seasoned and grown up at the age of 20/21. He's a goofball, that's what I find endearing about him, and hope that helps him be resilient to the crap that comes along with being an athlete. People were gushing over Gradey and his dumb videos (which were great btw) but at the same time dumping on Scottie for being a kid at 21? Like wtf.

Yeah, I came to reply this same way. He's a kid. You can't have the composure and poise of an experienced, middle-aged adult right from the start, that is just so rare. He's fine, and he's having fun. He seems to put in the work and he's not a jackass, so I dunno what people are worried about.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The guy who complained got a 44M payday, on "seniority". Don't get between a man and his money.

[PhilBlackson]

I find Barnes rubs a lot of Raptors fans the wrong way. and I don't know why. Is he immature? Sure, in a goofy, I'm going to play video games all night, kind of way. But I haven't seem or heard anything egregious.

Maybe I'm missing something but I find him to be a really likeable kid.

Yeah I don't get it, people complaining about his maturity level, like they were all well seasoned and grown up at the age of 20/21. He's a goofball, that's what I find endearing about him, and hope that helps him be resilient to the crap that comes along with being an athlete. People were gushing over Gradey and his dumb videos (which were great btw) but at the same time dumping on Scottie for being a kid at 21? Like wtf.

Yeah, I came to reply this same way. He's a kid. You can't have the composure and poise of an experienced, middle-aged adult right from the start, that is just so rare. He's fine, and he's having fun. He seems to put in the work and he's not a jackass, so I dunno what people are worried about.

I think it's also that people have been taught that being a "competitor" looks & behaves a certain way ie/ MJ, Kobe etc are the archetypes for a lot of people deem as being a "serious" competitor. But it's like people forget that there's guys like LeBron, Steph (acting silly/playful on & off the court) & even Giannis (who likes to pretend like he's a WWE wrestler with his teammates & loves corny jokes) that can be very goofy & playful with their teammates too but still be very high level competitors. Keep in mind too Scottie idolizes Magic Johnson who was renowned for having a big smile on his face & being in a way playful with his teammates because he felt like its how they built up chemistry with them, doesn't mean he wasn't competing when he got on the court.

But you can hear that he's young, he's learning he needs to be more locked in consistently, more dedicated to his conditioning in order to do so etc. It's all apart of the process. I feel like a lot of the people who don't like Scottie also seem to be strong supporters of Pascal and previously Fred. Like Scottie's competitiveness has fall in line with those guys hard nosed approach & I feel like a lot of their perceived greater level of maturity is actually a product of them not coming in as highly touted recruits. Not mention older ones - Pascal as a rookie was the age Scottie is now & Fred was actually another year older. They felt they had to be very business-like to prove to their teammates & franchise that they're to be taken "seriously" as NBA players. Scottie doesn't have those concerns, he knows he's one, he's still working but I think people have come to expect "competing" to "look" a certain way.

[Reeko]

I swear Scottie is gonna be built something like a slightly smaller Dwight Howard by the time he reaches his "manbody" age lol

I really think scoring wise he should try to learn the Mailman's style first with that big frame, if he can have some decent touch/feel from the mid-range which looked like it was starting to develop towards the end of the season -- Scottie could be a beast.

Personally if I'm the coaching staff I'd try to develop Scottie to play something like a Malone/Magic hybrid and then pray over time he adds a little more "Kawhi" touch from 3 lol. Even if he never became a good 3pt shooter, I think blending those 2 players styles of game could be the quickest pathway to become a legit star in the league.

Isn't that just LeBron James though? Unless you really want Scottie to get used to playing off ball as the screener and roll man.

[tsherkin]

I think it's also that people have been taught that being a "competitor" looks & behaves a certain way ie/ MJ, Kobe etc are the archetypes for a lot of people deem as being a "serious" competitor.

Yeah, that's fair, for sure. People are often slaves to archetypes, even if they are not specifically relevant to success.

But it's like people forget that there's guys like LeBron, Steph (acting silly/playful on & off the court) & even Giannis (who likes to pretend like he's a WWE wrestler with his teammates & loves corny jokes) that can be very goofy & playful with their teammates too but still be very high level competitors. Keep in mind too Scottie idolizes Magic Johnson who was renowned for having a big smile on his face & being in a way playful with his teammates because he felt like its how they built up chemistry with them, doesn't mean he wasn't competing when he got on the court.

Absolutely. Magic would REAM people out if they weren't competing. He would get worked up about stuff, he put in the work, la la la. You never wondered if he was trying to win, no matter how nice he was. Smiling assassin.

As long as he develops and delivers on the court and isn't a disruptive force, he'll be fine. And he has been, so far.

[HumbleRen]

That shooting form is stinky.

At this point I just gotta raise my hands up to the basketball gods and pray the form just works lol.

As long as it goes in, I'm happy lol.

That **** don’t go in though.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He shot better from three than Giannis last year.

Let's just say it's not the shot holding him back. It's more how we use him and his age.

[PhilBlackson]

I swear Scottie is gonna be built something like a slightly smaller Dwight Howard by the time he reaches his "manbody" age lol

I really think scoring wise he should try to learn the Mailman's style first with that big frame, if he can have some decent touch/feel from the mid-range which looked like it was starting to develop towards the end of the season -- Scottie could be a beast.

Personally if I'm the coaching staff I'd try to develop Scottie to play something like a Malone/Magic hybrid and then pray over time he adds a little more "Kawhi" touch from 3 lol. Even if he never became a good 3pt shooter, I think blending those 2 players styles of game could be the quickest pathway to become a legit star in the league.

Isn't that just LeBron James though? Unless you really want Scottie to get used to playing off ball as the screener and roll man.

It is lol but that's still essentially the overall archetype you're trying to mold -- a jumbo facilitator that can score as needed.

Obviously Scottie is coming in a FAR more raw prospect than LeBron obviously who was/is a true bball savant. But LBJ at a younger age was also being molded into more of a scorer as of course the MJ comparisons started back when he was in highschool.

So even when he was young he was being taught how to play the from the mid-range & how to drive to the basket - this is the stuff Scottie is only adding now (leaving the freakish athleticism LeBron had aside as well). But the target LeBron had in mind was to become greater than Jordan even if he was naturally more like Magic. Scottie obviously hasn't come in with those comparisons especially not he was young & so he's tried to mold his game after Magic's who really did the same things Scottie does now (obviously at a higher level).

But now I think the team has to push Scottie to think of his game more in terms of how Malone use some bully ball with some touch around the mid range to post areas. He does that, he still won't have quite the level of overall game as LeBron has but of course he'd be a helluva player & amongst the best in the league. I'm just saying the franchise shouldn't be so focused on him hitting the 3 ball. It's like they are rushing to try & turn him into a faster Marc Gasol lol when I think the easier & more effective transition to making him a star in the league would just be to continue to improve in the areas he has a feel for and hopefully the range comes in time as it did with a guy like Marc. I also don't see any issue with him being the roll man, as Malone was too, it's all about putting him where he can become most effective. On ball, off ball, doesn't matter and if anything that only makes him a more dangerous player if he knows how to do both.

[tsherkin]

He shot better from three than Giannis last year.

Let's just say it's not the shot holding him back. It's more how we use him and his age.

No, I think the shot is definitely holding him back because he basically can't shoot competently past 10 feet (or hasn't to date in his career). If/when that changes, it will be a major difference-maker for him and open up a lot of opportunities to become worthwhile on O.

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[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He shot better from three than Giannis last year.

Let's just say it's not the shot holding him back. It's more how we use him and his age.

No, I think the shot is definitely holding him back because he basically can't shoot competently past 10 feet (or hasn't to date in his career). If/when that changes, it will be a major difference-maker for him and open up a lot of opportunities to become worthwhile on O.

It helps, but let's be honest. If you're 6'10" 240lbs...sitting in the corner waiting for a pass isn't your thing.

[tsherkin]

He shot better from three than Giannis last year.

Let's just say it's not the shot holding him back. It's more how we use him and his age.

No, I think the shot is definitely holding him back because he basically can't shoot competently past 10 feet (or hasn't to date in his career). If/when that changes, it will be a major difference-maker for him and open up a lot of opportunities to become worthwhile on O.

It helps, but let's be honest. If you're 6'10" 240lbs...sitting in the corner waiting for a pass isn't your thing.

I don't believe he is 6'10, and he needs to be able to shoot in other places. The corner 3 is less my concern than his ability to hit open jumpers around the wing or above the break, or having a reliable pull-up J, a turnaround from a post-up, etc. He basically doesn't have touch of any kind right now, and that's an impediment for him in a variety of ways. It's the next major phase of development he needs, especially since he isn't an extreme acceleration/lateral movement guy.

[HumbleRen]

No, I think the shot is definitely holding him back because he basically can't shoot competently past 10 feet (or hasn't to date in his career). If/when that changes, it will be a major difference-maker for him and open up a lot of opportunities to become worthwhile on O.

It helps, but let's be honest. If you're 6'10" 240lbs...sitting in the corner waiting for a pass isn't your thing.

I don't believe he is 6'10, and he needs to be able to shoot in other places. The corner 3 is less my concern than his ability to hit open jumpers around the wing or above the break, or having a reliable pull-up J, a turnaround from a post-up, etc. He basically doesn't have touch of any kind right now, and that's an impediment for him in a variety of ways. It's the next major phase of development he needs, especially since he isn't an extreme acceleration/lateral movement guy.

The sooner Scottie gets over this infatuation with being a PG, the better off he will be.

His skills and body type just does not lend itself to being a lead ball handler any time soon.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

No, I think the shot is definitely holding him back because he basically can't shoot competently past 10 feet (or hasn't to date in his career). If/when that changes, it will be a major difference-maker for him and open up a lot of opportunities to become worthwhile on O.

It helps, but let's be honest. If you're 6'10" 240lbs...sitting in the corner waiting for a pass isn't your thing.

I don't believe he is 6'10, and he needs to be able to shoot in other places. The corner 3 is less my concern than his ability to hit open jumpers around the wing or above the break, or having a reliable pull-up J, a turnaround from a post-up, etc. He basically doesn't have touch of any kind right now, and that's an impediment for him in a variety of ways. It's the next major phase of development he needs, especially since he isn't an extreme acceleration/lateral movement guy.

It'd be nice to see him be more reliable in that 12-15 foot range. However, he's going to have an advantage on just about every possession. He's either too big for the small guys, or too fast for the guys bigger than him.

He's just got to get comfortable with contact and get to the line.

[tsherkin]

The sooner Scottie gets over this infatuation with being a PG, the better off he will be.

His skills and body type just does not lend itself to being a lead ball handler any time soon.

His handles are fine for it. He doesn't have the shot for it at the moment and he's obviously not a real PG... but having multiple guys who can get out and handle in transition is nice. If he can run some PnR, that's also nice for us. He doesn't need to be a 10 apg to be of value with that versatility. His issues right now predominantly orbit his scoring inefficacy, not him being deployed as a ball-handler. He could certainly use some more sets where he is put in position for some better shots, though.

It'd be nice to see him be more reliable in that 12-15 foot range. However, he's going to have an advantage on just about every possession. He's either too big for the small guys, or too fast for the guys bigger than him.

He's just got to get comfortable with contact and get to the line.

Yes, looking for him to post a little more (not too much but a little more with mismatches) and otherwise work his size advantage would be good. We don't get him enough transition possessions, which needs to change. We need him to either iso less or suck less at it. Same same as PnR ball handler. Same same with post ups. Same same with spot ups. There's a trend here. He needs to finish better, basically everywhere. So we need to find ways to support that, which will very much mean trying to get him off-ball and praying that he shows us skill development in year 3.

He certainly has the physical tools to be interesting. Now we need him to start actually doing something with them, while trying to find ways to make that easier for him.