With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche

[KrazyP]

Any time you get the opportunity to pick up 3 2nd rounders in a weak draft, you have to do it.

Anytime you have a chance to drown yourself in a pool of negativity, you have to do it,

I'm sorry, can you repeat that Mr. Positivity?

I think some people underestimate how important team culture, roster structure and overall environment is to player development success. Adding 3-4 rookies from this weak draft to a 25-win team who's core players (Barnes, RJ, IQ, Dick) are also young would potentially create a terrible environment for player development.

I could see the Raps using exsiting assets to try and trade up in this draft for a player they really like but I highly doubt they want to just collect more picks.

They basically gave up NOTHING for the extra 2nd rounders and they will be stashed in the Gleague and will NOT be part of the active roster. I have no issues with this and nor should anybody else.

If they gave up real assets for Shead and Chomche and then planned to use them in the rotation along with Mogbo, Walter on top of already having a young, developing roster --- that would be a problem.

[Tor_Raps]

Bruno played on the Mad Ants D-League team. Raptors did not have any ownership of that team, so Bruno didn't get the development opportunity he needed. The team was win focused.

Because of Bruno and the Mad Ants, we got the 905.

Thanks for the breakdown but I won't blame Bruno never being a nba player on that. Most of the world thought he was not nba calibre when we picked him. That one was just a massive miss from Masai, it happens lol.

Bruno was also softer than baby ****. I'll never forget when he cried after being dunked on. People wrote that "at least he's passionate and cared". I thought it was a red flag personally.

But honestly he's turned himself into a good player now after seeing him play for Brazil during the FIBA tournament.

Ya a good player overseas but never anything close to being impactful in the nba. Dude was trash from day 1 from that perspective lol.

[gerrit4]

Usually I don't even care about the 2nd round picks. But, for some reason, I have this gut feeling that we got 3 hits in the 2nd round this year. All three guys we picked in the 2nd round have the potential become rotational pieces imo. With a bit of luck, one of them could even become a fringe all star. Down the road, Jakobe may look like the least impressive player out of the four.

I have major doubts that Chomche works out. Looking at his film, he’s seems really far away. He’s not even good at overall defense, just certain aspects defensively (e.g. rim protection).

There’s a really steep learning curve here and I’m not so sure he and the Raps have the patience to wait it out. Bruno’s probably finally ready for back-up C after 10 years for instance.

A draft and stash makes a lot more sense here imo.

Totally. I think it's a great pick-up at #57, as there's a very slight chance he turns into a really good player down the line. I don't think he's necessarily the guy, but if you draft one Ulrich Chomche type of player every season, eventually one of them is going to pop and really help the franchise.

[PoundTown]

Usually I don't even care about the 2nd round picks. But, for some reason, I have this gut feeling that we got 3 hits in the 2nd round this year. All three guys we picked in the 2nd round have the potential become rotational pieces imo. With a bit of luck, one of them could even become a fringe all star. Down the road, Jakobe may look like the least impressive player out of the four.

I have major doubts that Chomche works out. Looking at his film, he’s seems really far away. He’s not even good at overall defense, just certain aspects defensively (e.g. rim protection).

There’s a really steep learning curve here and I’m not so sure he and the Raps have the patience to wait it out. Bruno’s probably finally ready for back-up C after 10 years for instance.

A draft and stash makes a lot more sense here imo.

Totally. I think it's a great pick-up at #57, as there's a very slight chance he turns into a really good player down the line. I don't think he's necessarily the guy, but if you draft one Ulrich Chomche type of player every season, eventually one of them is going to pop and really help the franchise.

I kind of think about him like an Amir Johnson. Similar to Amir, he was the youngest player in his class, but active, athletic and raw, but with hints of skill level, just in need of time to put it all together. He could put it together or he could not, but I do think this is a good flier if there ever was one. Would rather a dude like this than a dude like Dewan Hernandez. Much higher ceiling here, even if he's further away from it.

[douggood]

am i am wrong in thinking the reason they traded and drafted him so they could stash him overseas.
otherwise they could have just signed him as udfa


also if anyone is still wondering we just gave cash for the pick. both raptors and twolves beat writers confimred that

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[niQ]

Undisclosed amount aka $20.

[TimeForChange]

They paid $1m for the pick

[WuTang_CMB]

Crazy. Seconds in past used tocbe for 50k Lol.

Masai using mlse to $ bully lol love it

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[ontnut]

And they said Masai never makes draft day trades.

[PushDaRock]

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This is why I say they're probably stashing him. There's no need to pay that 1m for the pick unless they wanted hold his rights. Otherwise, they could have just signed him as a UDFA.

[PushDaRock]

am i am wrong in thinking the reason they traded and drafted him so they could stash him overseas.
otherwise they could have just signed him as udfa


also if anyone is still wondering we just gave cash for the pick. both raptors and twolves beat writers confimred that

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It's what I've been saying all along, a lot of people seem to think otherwise though.

[raptor jesus]

Well, I like that he appears to be willing to shoot jumpshots, even if it looks rough. Just shooting them is a major hurdle that a lot of young bigs never get over.

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Crazy. Seconds in past used tocbe for 50k Lol.

Masai using mlse to $ bully lol love it

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Covid inflation bruh.

[Bruin]

Can we have him play for the 905 without giving him the NBA contract yet? Like essentially the draft and stash approach but still have him in Toronto so we can be hands on in his development?

I’d rather not just stash him in Europe or keep him in Africa. Needs proper development ASAP

[brownbobcat]

They basically gave up NOTHING for the extra 2nd rounders and they will be stashed in the Gleague and will NOT be part of the active roster. I have no issues with this and nor should anybody else.

If they gave up real assets for Shead and Chomche and then planned to use them in the rotation along with Mogbo, Walter on top of already having a young, developing roster --- that would be a problem.

Your original post was about developmental environment and not cost of acquisition, but continue backtracking and shifting goalposts by all means.

There is virtually zero experiential difference between a guy on a 2-way vs. a late FRP given the same talent level. Both can play in the G-League, both can practice with the NBA squad, get access to the same training, staff, etc. If they're one of the 3 inactive players on any given night, there's zero chance of playing so their seating arrangements during an NBA game is the only difference and don't tell me that's the deciding factor for development.

[ForeverTFC]

Can we have him play for the 905 without giving him the NBA contract yet? Like essentially the draft and stash approach but still have him in Toronto so we can be hands on in his development?

I’d rather not just stash him in Europe or keep him in Africa. Needs proper development ASAP

I believe so. I'd much rather he sign with us here than play overseas. We should be overseeing his development:

There are nine different paths a player can take to the NBA G League:
• NBA teams can assign players to their NBA G League affiliate and recall them at any time.
• NBA teams can sign players with four years of service or fewer to two-way contracts, allowing them to retain their rights while the player spends the bulk of the season in the NBA G League.
• NBA teams can draft players and sign them to NBA G League contracts, thus retaining their rights through the “Draft Rights Player” rule.
• NBA teams can designate up to four players that they cut during training camp as “affiliate players,” meaning those players will join that team’s NBA G League affiliate (should the players choose to sign into the NBA G League). These players are signed under contract with the league rather than the team, meaning they are technically free agents who can be called up to any of the 30 NBA teams.
• NBA G League teams hold local tryouts each offseason and can invite up to four players from these tryouts to their training camps.
• The NBA G League holds a draft every year consisting of nearly 150 players who have signed contracts with the league. It lasts four rounds and teams only have to make two selections.
• Players who return to the NBA G League are, by rule, re-acquired by the teams that they played for within the last two seasons (Returning Players).
• Once the NBA G League season begins, players who sign NBA G League contracts are placed into a rotating waiver pool so that teams can claim them.
• If a player from high school, college or overseas enters the NBA G League without ever having declared for the NBA Draft, he will also join the waiver pool. That player remains NBA Draft-eligible but is not eligible to be called up to the NBA.

https://gleague.nba.com/faq

[WaltFrazier]

Windhorst just said Chomche is just the first of a pipeline from the BAL, and the BAL is the future of the league.

Then NBA Today quickly pivoted to more coverage of Bronny.

[brownbobcat]

Can we have him play for the 905 without giving him the NBA contract yet? Like essentially the draft and stash approach but still have him in Toronto so we can be hands on in his development?

I’d rather not just stash him in Europe or keep him in Africa. Needs proper development ASAP

I believe so. I'd much rather he sign with us here than play overseas. We should be overseeing his development:

There are nine different paths a player can take to the NBA G League:
• NBA teams can assign players to their NBA G League affiliate and recall them at any time.
• NBA teams can sign players with four years of service or fewer to two-way contracts, allowing them to retain their rights while the player spends the bulk of the season in the NBA G League.
• NBA teams can draft players and sign them to NBA G League contracts, thus retaining their rights through the “Draft Rights Player” rule.
• NBA teams can designate up to four players that they cut during training camp as “affiliate players,” meaning those players will join that team’s NBA G League affiliate (should the players choose to sign into the NBA G League). These players are signed under contract with the league rather than the team, meaning they are technically free agents who can be called up to any of the 30 NBA teams.
• NBA G League teams hold local tryouts each offseason and can invite up to four players from these tryouts to their training camps.
• The NBA G League holds a draft every year consisting of nearly 150 players who have signed contracts with the league. It lasts four rounds and teams only have to make two selections.
• Players who return to the NBA G League are, by rule, re-acquired by the teams that they played for within the last two seasons (Returning Players).
• Once the NBA G League season begins, players who sign NBA G League contracts are placed into a rotating waiver pool so that teams can claim them.
• If a player from high school, college or overseas enters the NBA G League without ever having declared for the NBA Draft, he will also join the waiver pool. That player remains NBA Draft-eligible but is not eligible to be called up to the NBA.

https://gleague.nba.com/faq

A 1-way G League contract is a miniscule amount of money. It would be difficult to see any kind of draft prospect signing such a deal.

[ForeverTFC]

Can we have him play for the 905 without giving him the NBA contract yet? Like essentially the draft and stash approach but still have him in Toronto so we can be hands on in his development?

I’d rather not just stash him in Europe or keep him in Africa. Needs proper development ASAP

I believe so. I'd much rather he sign with us here than play overseas. We should be overseeing his development:

There are nine different paths a player can take to the NBA G League:
• NBA teams can assign players to their NBA G League affiliate and recall them at any time.
• NBA teams can sign players with four years of service or fewer to two-way contracts, allowing them to retain their rights while the player spends the bulk of the season in the NBA G League.
• NBA teams can draft players and sign them to NBA G League contracts, thus retaining their rights through the “Draft Rights Player” rule.
• NBA teams can designate up to four players that they cut during training camp as “affiliate players,” meaning those players will join that team’s NBA G League affiliate (should the players choose to sign into the NBA G League). These players are signed under contract with the league rather than the team, meaning they are technically free agents who can be called up to any of the 30 NBA teams.
• NBA G League teams hold local tryouts each offseason and can invite up to four players from these tryouts to their training camps.
• The NBA G League holds a draft every year consisting of nearly 150 players who have signed contracts with the league. It lasts four rounds and teams only have to make two selections.
• Players who return to the NBA G League are, by rule, re-acquired by the teams that they played for within the last two seasons (Returning Players).
• Once the NBA G League season begins, players who sign NBA G League contracts are placed into a rotating waiver pool so that teams can claim them.
• If a player from high school, college or overseas enters the NBA G League without ever having declared for the NBA Draft, he will also join the waiver pool. That player remains NBA Draft-eligible but is not eligible to be called up to the NBA.

https://gleague.nba.com/faq

A 1-way G League contract is a miniscule amount of money. It would be difficult to see any kind of draft prospect signing such a deal.

That's a fair point