Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[tdotrep2]

if we have a successful tank this season, im good to try and put pieces around the kids.

[ItsDanger]

Haliburton slipped to 12. ESPN had him 7th in their mock draft. Bleacher Report, CBS had him 6th.

DET also isnt just a Tyrese Haliburton away from a successful tank.

I was just clarifying an obvious misrepresentation. Carry on.

[Los_29]

The Detroit Pistons won the first overall pick to draft Cade and have had the #5 pick the next 3 years. This does not mean tanking is not a sound strategy, maybe it just means the Pistons suck at drafting.

The thing is, there is not any clear mistakes DET made.

2020 - Killian at #7 was horrible. But the next 3 guys were Toppin, Deni, Jalen Smith. Not exactly HUGE losses here.
2021 - Cade at #1 was consensus, and there is a legit chance Mobley, Barnes, Franz, Sengun, all are better.
2022 - Ivey at #5 is fine. Mathin, Sharpe, Daniels, Sochan, etc. were the next 4 and they are not significantly better.
2203 - Ausar Thompson - up next was Balck, Couliably, Walker, Hendricks, Wallace - again, no clear misses

Turns out drafting is as much luck as it is skill. Even if they drafted perfect and you assume they had a crystal ball and got Haliburton in 2020 (he went 12), Barnes in 2021, Mathurin in 2022, and probably still Thompson in 2023 they still are a bad team.

Yeah that’s the thing with the Pistons. They haven’t drafted terribly when you see who was drafted after their picks.

Very rarely do you have everything bounce your way in the top 5 (KD dropping to 2nd overall, Harden being there at 3rd overall, Doncic dropping etc.).

With that said, I think it makes sense to get a top 5 pick this year. We need an infusion of talent.

[TheRaptor!]

I hate tanking. Absolutely hate it

But we are so bad we have literally no other options than to tank.

So lets go get that #1 pick and dont half ass it

[gha4life]

The Detroit Pistons won the first overall pick to draft Cade and have had the #5 pick the next 3 years. This does not mean tanking is not a sound strategy, maybe it just means the Pistons suck at drafting.

The thing is, there is not any clear mistakes DET made.

2020 - Killian at #7 was horrible. But the next 3 guys were Toppin, Deni, Jalen Smith. Not exactly HUGE losses here.
2021 - Cade at #1 was consensus, and there is a legit chance Mobley, Barnes, Franz, Sengun, all are better.
2022 - Ivey at #5 is fine. Mathin, Sharpe, Daniels, Sochan, etc. were the next 4 and they are not significantly better.
2203 - Ausar Thompson - up next was Balck, Couliably, Walker, Hendricks, Wallace - again, no clear misses

Turns out drafting is as much luck as it is skill. Even if they drafted perfect and you assume they had a crystal ball and got Haliburton in 2020 (he went 12), Barnes in 2021, Mathurin in 2022, and probably still Thompson in 2023 they still are a bad team.

Yeah that’s the thing with the Pistons. They haven’t drafted terribly when you see who was drafted after their picks.

Very rarely do you have everything bounce your way in the top 5 (KD dropping to 2nd overall, Harden being there at 3rd overall, Doncic dropping etc.).

With that said, I think it makes sense to get a top 5 pick this year. We need an infusion of talent.

I wouldn't ve drafted ivey who's best position is ur best player to me didn't make sense , I get drafting best player available but at what costs ? when it limits overall player development doesn't make sense , and then playing Killian over ivey and then finally waving him and firing coach is just a multitude of bad management

[Clutch0z24]

The Detroit Pistons won the first overall pick to draft Cade and have had the #5 pick the next 3 years. This does not mean tanking is not a sound strategy, maybe it just means the Pistons suck at drafting.

Turns out drafting is as much luck as it is skill. Even if they drafted perfect and you assume they had a crystal ball and got Haliburton in 2020 (he went 12), Barnes in 2021, Mathurin in 2022, and probably still Thompson in 2023 they still are a bad team.

You say they would be a "Bad team" with Hailiburton, Barnes, Mathurin,Thompson....But what does that say about the team we have right now that you yourself expect to be a play in team?...With IQ/Barnes/Barrett as your main players?...Lol your contradicting yourself here because Haliburton + Barnes would be better than what we have right now as a team....So your basically saying a "Bad team" like we ourselves have right now should not try and get a good draft pick and instead treadmill our way to mediocrity...

Its pretty obvious that the majority of the board is down to have 1 bad season for the greater good of the franchise, Its clear even the head coach, The GM, And the players like Yak have all been told what this season will be....But you have guys like you who still want to treadmill in mediocrity for the sake of having bad draft picks, With no other real way of improving the team since yes we have traded away all our big trade chips and got what we got....Theres no other moves to be made....

This draft coming up is going to be a good one....Draft experts who have been doing this for a long time say so, Alot of the NBA scouts who see NBA talent on a daily basis say so....But we should listen to a guy on a realgm forum who prolly knows very little about the draft saying it will be bad and no point to getting a high pick in it...Ok...

[Chandan]

Yeah that’s the thing with the Pistons. They haven’t drafted terribly when you see who was drafted after their picks.

Very rarely do you have everything bounce your way in the top 5 (KD dropping to 2nd overall, Harden being there at 3rd overall, Doncic dropping etc.).

With that said, I think it makes sense to get a top 5 pick this year. We need an infusion of talent.

If we didn't need an infusion of talent when we had siakam/FVV/Barnes during the year of wemby, and we didn't need an infusion of talent after trading away siakam last year, why would we need an infusion or talent this year when we have BBQP?

Easily could have tanked last year and gotten top 7. Still get top 5 this coming year, and have the spur swap convert to a second or down the line.

BUT nah, tanking is bad every year except this year because Masai hinted that's what they might do.

[YogurtProducer]

The Detroit Pistons won the first overall pick to draft Cade and have had the #5 pick the next 3 years. This does not mean tanking is not a sound strategy, maybe it just means the Pistons suck at drafting.

Turns out drafting is as much luck as it is skill. Even if they drafted perfect and you assume they had a crystal ball and got Haliburton in 2020 (he went 12), Barnes in 2021, Mathurin in 2022, and probably still Thompson in 2023 they still are a bad team.

You say they would be a "Bad team" with Hailiburton, Barnes, Mathurin,Thompson....But what does that say about the team we have right now that you yourself expect to be a play in team?...

I expect them to be a play in team? Huh. News to me.

You must be misrepresenting my stance that I said I could see this team winning anywhere between 25-45 games. No where did I ever "expect" us to win that many, and I was fully on board with our tank to end last year, was in 2021 for Scottie, etc.

Again, you seem to confuse anyone who is not on board with a full tear down as "I want us to be medicore". But hey, it is easier to argue with a made-up boogeyman in your head than actual reality.

With IQ/Barnes/Barrett as your main players?...Lol your contradicting yourself here because Haliburton + Barnes would be better than what we have right now as a team....So your basically saying a "Bad team" like we ourselves have right now should not try and get a good draft pick and instead treadmill our way to mediocrity...

Where am I contradicting myself? Or are you just making up arguments that don't exist to try and feel special?

Its pretty obvious that the majority of the board is down to have 1 bad season for the greater good of the franchise, Its clear even the head coach, The GM, And the players like Yak have all been told what this season will be....But you have guys like you who still want to treadmill in mediocrity for the sake of having bad draft picks, With no other real way of improving the team since yes we have traded away all our big trade chips and got what we got....Theres no other moves to be made....

Where did I ever say I want to treadmill for mediocrity?

Are you assuming I am against having a down year? I think you are misunderstanding not wanting to trade every player over the age of 22 for "not wanting to rebuild"

This draft coming up is going to be a good one....Draft experts who have been doing this for a long time say so, Alot of the NBA scouts who see NBA talent on a daily basis say so....But we should listen to a guy on a realgm forum who prolly knows very little about the draft saying it will be bad and no point to getting a high pick in it...Ok...

Again, you are making up arguments that I am not even making.

Must be exhausting to just argue with ghosts. Keep it in reality my guy.

[Clutch0z24]

Turns out drafting is as much luck as it is skill. Even if they drafted perfect and you assume they had a crystal ball and got Haliburton in 2020 (he went 12), Barnes in 2021, Mathurin in 2022, and probably still Thompson in 2023 they still are a bad team.

You say they would be a "Bad team" with Hailiburton, Barnes, Mathurin,Thompson....But what does that say about the team we have right now that you yourself expect to be a play in team?...

I expect them to be a play in team? Huh. News to me.

You must be misrepresenting my stance that I said I could see this team winning anywhere between 25-45 games. No where did I ever "expect" us to win that many, and I was fully on board with our tank to end last year, was in 2021 for Scottie, etc.

Again, you seem to confuse anyone who is not on board with a full tear down as "I want us to be medicore". But hey, it is easier to argue with a made-up boogeyman in your head than actual reality.

With IQ/Barnes/Barrett as your main players?...Lol your contradicting yourself here because Haliburton + Barnes would be better than what we have right now as a team....So your basically saying a "Bad team" like we ourselves have right now should not try and get a good draft pick and instead treadmill our way to mediocrity...

Where am I contradicting myself? Or are you just making up arguments that don't exist to try and feel special?

Its pretty obvious that the majority of the board is down to have 1 bad season for the greater good of the franchise, Its clear even the head coach, The GM, And the players like Yak have all been told what this season will be....But you have guys like you who still want to treadmill in mediocrity for the sake of having bad draft picks, With no other real way of improving the team since yes we have traded away all our big trade chips and got what we got....Theres no other moves to be made....

Where did I ever say I want to treadmill for mediocrity?

Are you assuming I am against having a down year? I think you are misunderstanding not wanting to trade every player over the age of 22 for "not wanting to rebuild"

This draft coming up is going to be a good one....Draft experts who have been doing this for a long time say so, Alot of the NBA scouts who see NBA talent on a daily basis say so....But we should listen to a guy on a realgm forum who prolly knows very little about the draft saying it will be bad and no point to getting a high pick in it...Ok...

Again, you are making up arguments that I am not even making.

Must be exhausting to just argue with ghosts. Keep it in reality my guy.

And your the one arguing with things in this thread that are not in reality because no one here ever said to completly tear this team down to tank this year....No one ever said that....Most said maybe trade Yak/Brown mid season (Both getting to be 30 years of age and both don't fit the direction of the team and both guys you can maybe get draft capital or assets for the future with)

Yet your here battling every poster who has this stance about the upcoming season which is the majority of the board....I never seen someone say to completly tear the team down and be bad for years...Its always been a 1 year tank...

Also you imply that the draft is not very profitable so why bother going that route (bringing up the 2014 Draft etc.....And any post i see you arguing with posters you bring up how the draft is a pointless thing....Ignoring the fact that majority of teams in NBA history that have won been because of drafting high and getting a player on that level.

Also tend to hate on any poster who is pro draft and you have a narritive in your head that anyone thats pro draft right now wants to be the Pistons type year after year when that is far from the reality of what the posters that are pro draft are even saying...They are saying they want to be bad for 1 year, Get Barnes a proper running mate for his prime years here and compete legit vs trying to be pretenders every year and win pointless games to only get 10-15th draft pick and draft role players every year...

But you tend to argue anyone who ever has that mind set ^ Which is the proper mindset to have in our current situation...So why argue with people about it for the sake of arguing?

[YogurtProducer]

You say they would be a "Bad team" with Hailiburton, Barnes, Mathurin,Thompson....But what does that say about the team we have right now that you yourself expect to be a play in team?...

I expect them to be a play in team? Huh. News to me.

You must be misrepresenting my stance that I said I could see this team winning anywhere between 25-45 games. No where did I ever "expect" us to win that many, and I was fully on board with our tank to end last year, was in 2021 for Scottie, etc.

Again, you seem to confuse anyone who is not on board with a full tear down as "I want us to be medicore". But hey, it is easier to argue with a made-up boogeyman in your head than actual reality.

With IQ/Barnes/Barrett as your main players?...Lol your contradicting yourself here because Haliburton + Barnes would be better than what we have right now as a team....So your basically saying a "Bad team" like we ourselves have right now should not try and get a good draft pick and instead treadmill our way to mediocrity...

Where am I contradicting myself? Or are you just making up arguments that don't exist to try and feel special?

Its pretty obvious that the majority of the board is down to have 1 bad season for the greater good of the franchise, Its clear even the head coach, The GM, And the players like Yak have all been told what this season will be....But you have guys like you who still want to treadmill in mediocrity for the sake of having bad draft picks, With no other real way of improving the team since yes we have traded away all our big trade chips and got what we got....Theres no other moves to be made....

Where did I ever say I want to treadmill for mediocrity?

Are you assuming I am against having a down year? I think you are misunderstanding not wanting to trade every player over the age of 22 for "not wanting to rebuild"

This draft coming up is going to be a good one....Draft experts who have been doing this for a long time say so, Alot of the NBA scouts who see NBA talent on a daily basis say so....But we should listen to a guy on a realgm forum who prolly knows very little about the draft saying it will be bad and no point to getting a high pick in it...Ok...

Again, you are making up arguments that I am not even making.

Must be exhausting to just argue with ghosts. Keep it in reality my guy.

And your the one arguing with things in this thread that are not in reality because no one here ever said to completly tear this team down to tank this year....No one ever said that....

Didn’t read a word past this.

Just so out of touch I don’t know how anyone with straight face can even say this

[Clutch0z24]

I expect them to be a play in team? Huh. News to me.

You must be misrepresenting my stance that I said I could see this team winning anywhere between 25-45 games. No where did I ever "expect" us to win that many, and I was fully on board with our tank to end last year, was in 2021 for Scottie, etc.

Again, you seem to confuse anyone who is not on board with a full tear down as "I want us to be medicore". But hey, it is easier to argue with a made-up boogeyman in your head than actual reality.


Where am I contradicting myself? Or are you just making up arguments that don't exist to try and feel special?


Where did I ever say I want to treadmill for mediocrity?

Are you assuming I am against having a down year? I think you are misunderstanding not wanting to trade every player over the age of 22 for "not wanting to rebuild"

Again, you are making up arguments that I am not even making.

Must be exhausting to just argue with ghosts. Keep it in reality my guy.

And your the one arguing with things in this thread that are not in reality because no one here ever said to completly tear this team down to tank this year....No one ever said that....

Didn’t read a word past this.

Just so out of touch I don’t know how anyone with straight face can even say this

Yeah because your the one out of touch here ....Your having a go at any poster pro draft cause you have a made up narrative in your head that they are saying to trade everyone and be Pistons bad for years instead of reading what they are saying and understand they just want to be bad for 1 year for the greater good of the franchise to get a legit star here to play with Barnes...

The majority of the board have that mindset but your always arguing with people on here who have that mindset...I wonder why...

[YogurtProducer]

And your the one arguing with things in this thread that are not in reality because no one here ever said to completly tear this team down to tank this year....No one ever said that....

Didn’t read a word past this.

Just so out of touch I don’t know how anyone with straight face can even say this

Yeah because your the one out of touch here ....Your having a go at any poster pro draft cause you have a made up narrative in your head that they are saying to trade everyone and be Pistons bad for years instead of reading what they are saying and understand they just want to be bad for 1 year for the greater good of the franchise to get a legit star here to play with Barnes...

The majority of the board have that mindset but your always arguing with people on here who have that mindset...I wonder why...

Who did I go at exactly? I was simply discussing the Detroit draft picks and how they’ve been the victim of bad lottery luck. The whole issue is I’m sure Detroit didn’t plan on being bad for a decade. No team does. But the reality is you can’t be “bad for one year” and immediately climb out because that’s just not how it works

You’re the one who started going on non-sensible rants about god knows what. I’m not gonna lie, I struggle to make it through one of your posts with the rambling and the co start ellipses.

Why don’t you login to your alt’s so you can make it look like you have some backup?

Either way, don’t bother replying. You don’t have anything of substance to add, and this just ends with mod warnings anyways.

[Tor_Raps]

Close the thread. They saying its us and the Celtics lol

[NinjaBro]

It's over, I'm out.

"We need to trade Siakam for AJ Griffin before it's too late!" - PhilBlackson

[Clutch0z24]

Didn’t read a word past this.

Just so out of touch I don’t know how anyone with straight face can even say this

Yeah because your the one out of touch here ....Your having a go at any poster pro draft cause you have a made up narrative in your head that they are saying to trade everyone and be Pistons bad for years instead of reading what they are saying and understand they just want to be bad for 1 year for the greater good of the franchise to get a legit star here to play with Barnes...

The majority of the board have that mindset but your always arguing with people on here who have that mindset...I wonder why...

Who did I go at exactly? I was simply discussing the Detroit draft picks and how they’ve been the victim of bad lottery luck. The whole issue is I’m sure Detroit didn’t plan on being bad for a decade. No team does. But the reality is you can’t be “bad for one year” and immediately climb out because that’s just not how it works

You’re the one who started going on non-sensible rants about god knows what. I’m not gonna lie, I struggle to make it through one of your posts with the rambling and the co start ellipses.

Why don’t you login to your alt’s so you can make it look like you have some backup?

Either way, don’t bother replying. You don’t have anything of substance to add, and this just ends with mod warnings anyways.

Theres prolly a handfull of guys on the forum who don't really like you as a poster....And im sure they have their reasons...You seem like one negative person thats all ima say....

[Vampirate]

It's over, I'm out.

"We need to trade Siakam for AJ Griffin before it's too late!" - PhilBlackson

[DelAbbot]

It's over, I'm out.

"We need to trade Siakam for AJ Griffin before it's too late!" - PhilBlackson

It's "Lock this baby up!"

[AbC?]

The lack of top end talent is glaring.

[YogurtProducer]

Yeah because your the one out of touch here ....Your having a go at any poster pro draft cause you have a made up narrative in your head that they are saying to trade everyone and be Pistons bad for years instead of reading what they are saying and understand they just want to be bad for 1 year for the greater good of the franchise to get a legit star here to play with Barnes...

The majority of the board have that mindset but your always arguing with people on here who have that mindset...I wonder why...

Who did I go at exactly? I was simply discussing the Detroit draft picks and how they’ve been the victim of bad lottery luck. The whole issue is I’m sure Detroit didn’t plan on being bad for a decade. No team does. But the reality is you can’t be “bad for one year” and immediately climb out because that’s just not how it works

You’re the one who started going on non-sensible rants about god knows what. I’m not gonna lie, I struggle to make it through one of your posts with the rambling and the co start ellipses.

Why don’t you login to your alt’s so you can make it look like you have some backup?

Either way, don’t bother replying. You don’t have anything of substance to add, and this just ends with mod warnings anyways.

Theres prolly a handfull of guys on the forum who don't really like you as a poster....And im sure they have their reasons...You seem like one negative person thats all ima say....

Ah, so now i am “negative”, but before i was overly optimistic on the ability of the team. Crazy how quickly that changes!

Buddy, you came at me when I was discussing Detroit’s draft history and are now having an absolute meltdown. Just log off for the night and go to bed

[Jcity08]

This is going to be a fun and lively thread this season as we get ready in anticipation for that top 5 pick in the lottery. This is going to be a good season for the tank.