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Re: Official NBA General Discussion 2025-26 V1.0 

Post#201 » by WaltFrazier » Wed May 28, 2025 3:18 am

Basketball_Jones wrote:Hart can’t guard or shoot in this series why is he out there for so long

Many on Knicks board asking the same
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Post#202 » by Los_29 » Wed May 28, 2025 3:36 am

Series isn’t over but I think the Pacers and OKC are an incredible clash of styles.

Two teams that also didn’t tank for their best players. SGA was given to OKC and Pacers traded for Pascal and Haliburton.
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Post#203 » by HumbleRen » Wed May 28, 2025 3:47 am

Los_29 wrote:Series isn’t over but I think the Pacers and OKC are an incredible clash of styles.

Two teams that also didn’t tank for their best players. SGA was given to OKC and Pacers traded for Pascal and Haliburton.


More importantly, 2 teams that didn’t try to hold on to their previous core until it was too late like we did.

They capitalized on trading PG and Russ at their peak value. Pacers capitalized on trading Sabonis at his peak value.

Fortune rewards progressive front offices.
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Post#204 » by NinjaBro » Wed May 28, 2025 4:52 am

Knicks fans turning on Brunson lol
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Post#205 » by HumbleRen » Wed May 28, 2025 5:19 am

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Post#206 » by TakeYourHeart » Wed May 28, 2025 5:54 am

NinjaBro wrote:Knicks fans turning on Brunson lol

Eye test says they look better without Brunson because of how he plays, he's so ball dominant and Nesmith's doing a good job defending him but he prefers to keep attacking. When he's off the floor they just move the ball better.
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Post#207 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed May 28, 2025 10:39 am

HumbleRen wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Series isn’t over but I think the Pacers and OKC are an incredible clash of styles.

Two teams that also didn’t tank for their best players. SGA was given to OKC and Pacers traded for Pascal and Haliburton.


More importantly, 2 teams that didn’t try to hold on to their previous core until it was too late like we did.

They capitalized on trading PG and Russ at their peak value. Pacers capitalized on trading Sabonis at his peak value.

Fortune rewards progressive front offices.


PG asked out in OKC, same with Indiana. Both teams are basically built by Paul George being an honourable dude and letting their GMs get something for him. But we never had a player as good as PG to trade.

The Russ trade hasn't really been a factor in this current iteration of OKC. It's essentially Topic and some future 1sts and firsts that didn't convey.
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Post#208 » by Los_29 » Wed May 28, 2025 10:46 am

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Los_29 wrote:Series isn’t over but I think the Pacers and OKC are an incredible clash of styles.

Two teams that also didn’t tank for their best players. SGA was given to OKC and Pacers traded for Pascal and Haliburton.


More importantly, 2 teams that didn’t try to hold on to their previous core until it was too late like we did.

They capitalized on trading PG and Russ at their peak value. Pacers capitalized on trading Sabonis at his peak value.

Fortune rewards progressive front offices.


OKC did not intend to break up their team, remember. What happened was Kawhi chose to go to the Clippers and chose George as his sidekick. That’s how Presti got SGA AND Jdubs. I’ve said it before but it’s the luckiest trade in NBA history considering Presti had just locked up George and seemed content treadmilling for even longer. OKC had like 4 straight first round exits. To get your MVP before even tanking is absurd. lol. Set the Clippers back years.

Pacers also treadmilled for a long time. In fact, people here HATED the moves that they made because they never tanked.

It’s a great sign to see these teams competing. Even NYK as well didn’t rely on lottery talent and built a very good team.

It’s great for the league and feels like anyone can win.
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Post#209 » by HumbleRen » Wed May 28, 2025 10:48 am

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HumbleRen wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Series isn’t over but I think the Pacers and OKC are an incredible clash of styles.

Two teams that also didn’t tank for their best players. SGA was given to OKC and Pacers traded for Pascal and Haliburton.


More importantly, 2 teams that didn’t try to hold on to their previous core until it was too late like we did.

They capitalized on trading PG and Russ at their peak value. Pacers capitalized on trading Sabonis at his peak value.

Fortune rewards progressive front offices.


PG asked out in OKC, same with Indiana. Both teams are basically built by Paul George being an honourable dude and letting their GMs get something for him. But we never had a player as good as PG to trade.

The Russ trade hasn't really been a factor in this current iteration of OKC. It's essentially Topic and some future 1sts and firsts that didn't convey.


He only asked out because OKC traded Russ. That signalled the end of that core, naturally PG would ask to be traded after seeing Russ get traded.

Presti trading Russ was the catalyst for that rebuild. He extracted the maximum value from it.
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Post#210 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed May 28, 2025 10:55 am

HumbleRen wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
More importantly, 2 teams that didn’t try to hold on to their previous core until it was too late like we did.

They capitalized on trading PG and Russ at their peak value. Pacers capitalized on trading Sabonis at his peak value.

Fortune rewards progressive front offices.


PG asked out in OKC, same with Indiana. Both teams are basically built by Paul George being an honourable dude and letting their GMs get something for him. But we never had a player as good as PG to trade.

The Russ trade hasn't really been a factor in this current iteration of OKC. It's essentially Topic and some future 1sts and firsts that didn't convey.


He only asked out because OKC traded Russ. That signalled the end of that core, naturally PG would ask to be traded after seeing Russ get traded.

Presti trading Russ was the catalyst for that rebuild. He extracted the maximum value from it.


I think you have your timeline wrong. PG went first. He was the only guy that bit on Kawhi's offer to team up, and he said he had a pre-existing agreement that he would extend with OKC only if Presti would grant a trade request.
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Post#211 » by MoneyBall » Wed May 28, 2025 11:13 am

The Pacers' success is really an amazing story. On paper they look like pretenders, but on the court they're destroying supposedly superior competition.
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Post#212 » by HumbleRen » Wed May 28, 2025 11:21 am

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PG asked out in OKC, same with Indiana. Both teams are basically built by Paul George being an honourable dude and letting their GMs get something for him. But we never had a player as good as PG to trade.

The Russ trade hasn't really been a factor in this current iteration of OKC. It's essentially Topic and some future 1sts and firsts that didn't convey.


He only asked out because OKC traded Russ. That signalled the end of that core, naturally PG would ask to be traded after seeing Russ get traded.

Presti trading Russ was the catalyst for that rebuild. He extracted the maximum value from it.


I think you have your timeline wrong. PG went first. He was the only guy that bit on Kawhi's offer to team up, and he said he had a pre-existing agreement that he would extend with OKC only if Presti would grant a trade request.


I’m going by what PG said himself.

Maybe he’s lying but he said he was committed to staying in OKC long term but basically got intel from Russ that he was planning to leave.
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Post#213 » by ash_k » Wed May 28, 2025 11:28 am

Hard to believe that we are about to do OKC vs Pacers...very hard to believe...that is 2 years in row that Ant-Man showing Stamina issues deep in the playoffs (ankle or not). Randle, after early hopes, is now acting according to his true playoffs self.

On this board, in the past, there were a lot(a lot) of Randle vs Siakam being equivalent...well now we know who is leading his team in scoring ,in the playoffs up, one game-away from the NBA finals.
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Post#214 » by mtcan » Wed May 28, 2025 11:31 am

ash_k wrote:Hard to believe that we are about to do OKC vs Pacers...very hard to believe...that is 2 years in row that Ant-Man showing Stamina issues deep in the playoffs (ankle or not). Randle, after early hopes, is now acting according to his true playoffs self.

On this board, in the past, there were a lot(a lot) of Randle vs Siakam being equivalent...well now we know who is leading his team in scoring ,in the playoffs up, one game-away from the NBA finals.

To be fair...Randle is experiencing a much more pesky and swarming defence against OKC than what Pascal is getting against NY which boggles the mind because the Knicks overpaid for the defensive duo or OG and and Mikal Bridges and Pascal can casually drop 30 on them without much effort.

Let's see how Pascal fares against OKC.
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Post#215 » by MavCarter » Wed May 28, 2025 11:33 am

HumbleRen wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Series isn’t over but I think the Pacers and OKC are an incredible clash of styles.

Two teams that also didn’t tank for their best players. SGA was given to OKC and Pacers traded for Pascal and Haliburton.


More importantly, 2 teams that didn’t try to hold on to their previous core until it was too late like we did.

They capitalized on trading PG and Russ at their peak value. Pacers capitalized on trading Sabonis at his peak value.

Fortune rewards progressive front offices.



OKC traded PG/Russ because PG asked for a trade. Who in their right mind saw the kings trading hali at the time? I dont think any GM would have said no to making that Hali/Sabonis trade. Neither Shai nor hali are on their respective teams right now because those teams made calculated decisions based on player values. Kawhi wanted PG in LA and the kings chose Fox over Hali and wanted to pair him with a big. These werent trades based on value and “right time”
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Post#216 » by HumbleRen » Wed May 28, 2025 11:40 am

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ash_k wrote:Hard to believe that we are about to do OKC vs Pacers...very hard to believe...that is 2 years in row that Ant-Man showing Stamina issues deep in the playoffs (ankle or not). Randle, after early hopes, is now acting according to his true playoffs self.

On this board, in the past, there were a lot(a lot) of Randle vs Siakam being equivalent...well now we know who is leading his team in scoring ,in the playoffs up, one game-away from the NBA finals.

To be fair...Randle is experiencing a much more pesky and swarming defence against OKC than what Pascal is getting against NY which boggles the mind because the Knicks overpaid for the defensive duo or OG and and Mikal Bridges and Pascal can casually drop 30 on them without much effort.

Let's see how Pascal fares against OKC.


Yeah it’s completely night and day lol.

OKC is a potential top 10 defensive team of all time.

Knicks weren’t even a top 10 defence this regular season.

Randle this post season. 21/6/5 on 61% TS.
Siakam this post season. 21/6/3 on 61%TS.
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Post#217 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed May 28, 2025 11:41 am

HumbleRen wrote:
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He only asked out because OKC traded Russ. That signalled the end of that core, naturally PG would ask to be traded after seeing Russ get traded.

Presti trading Russ was the catalyst for that rebuild. He extracted the maximum value from it.


I think you have your timeline wrong. PG went first. He was the only guy that bit on Kawhi's offer to team up, and he said he had a pre-existing agreement that he would extend with OKC only if Presti would grant a trade request.


I’m going by what PG said himself.

Maybe he’s lying but he said he was committed to staying in OKC long term but basically got intel from Russ that he was planning to leave.


I mean, in both versions it's the players initiating the rebuild. How it actually worked was Paul George asked out first and then Russ was traded second. Both had term left. I think Russ was like 1 year into his max extension at the time.
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Post#218 » by ash_k » Wed May 28, 2025 11:43 am

mtcan wrote:
ash_k wrote:Hard to believe that we are about to do OKC vs Pacers...very hard to believe...that is 2 years in row that Ant-Man showing Stamina issues deep in the playoffs (ankle or not). Randle, after early hopes, is now acting according to his true playoffs self.

On this board, in the past, there were a lot(a lot) of Randle vs Siakam being equivalent...well now we know who is leading his team in scoring ,in the playoffs up, one game-away from the NBA finals.

To be fair...Randle is experiencing a much more pesky and swarming defence against OKC than what Pascal is getting against NY which boggles the mind because the Knicks overpaid for the defensive duo or OG and and Mikal Bridges and Pascal can casually drop 30 on them without much effort.

Let's see how Pascal fares against OKC.

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Post#219 » by HumbleRen » Wed May 28, 2025 11:48 am

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
I think you have your timeline wrong. PG went first. He was the only guy that bit on Kawhi's offer to team up, and he said he had a pre-existing agreement that he would extend with OKC only if Presti would grant a trade request.


I’m going by what PG said himself.

Maybe he’s lying but he said he was committed to staying in OKC long term but basically got intel from Russ that he was planning to leave.


I mean, in both versions it's the players initiating the rebuild. How it actually worked was Paul George asked out first and then Russ was traded second. Both had term left. I think Russ was like 1 year into his max extension at the time.


You maximize the hand you’re dealt with.

I think we got a good return on Siakam. Jakobe and Ingram is pretty damn good for a guy on an expiring contract.

OG trade is pretty brutal though with hindsight.
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Post#220 » by Tha Cynic » Wed May 28, 2025 12:14 pm

I’m not sure how people are cheering for Indiana lol. I find Halliburton annoying as heck and he also admitted to tampering to get Siakam to Indiana for over a year while he was on the Raptors. Indiana basically got Siakam for scraps due to Siakam letting other teams know he wouldn’t play anywhere else, though Masai did pretty well in that trade still.

NY I just don’t care about.

Also , you can see the Anthony Edwards push by the US media against SGA. That has been funny to watch lol.
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