jakobe & Dick were bad picks

[Tor_Raps]

Jesus... the excuses for Gradey are hilarious. Just be a better basketball, case closed lol.

[Los_29]

Gradey is adjusting to a different role as he only really played well when he was 1-3 in the offensive pecking order. Now he’s like 4-5 option at best. Likely, I think another team will get the most out of him and not us someday. It will likely be a pretty bad team though where he can put up numbers.

That would be awful for Gradey. If he can’t succeed in this environment then he most likely wont succeed anywhere else.

Yeah I think he probably works better as a higher usage guy. That’s not to say he can’t do well here but to reach his potential I think he has to be high in the pecking order which won’t really happen on a good team imo.

Gradey moves very well without the ball, doesn’t need the ball in his hands to score the ball. I think his issue is he’s not shooting the ball well and his defense needs to get better.

With that said, he’s been winning his minutes all year. He’s doing some good things out there.

[Clutch0z24]

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Can't put Dick and George in the same class anymore....George clears him by alot and was the better pick to be made....

Utah is one of the worst teams in the league and Keyonte is shooting 41% from the field and a dreadful 27% from three. That’s just bad offense. The team is also horrible when he’s on the floor.

It reminds me of the Whitmore debates. George and Whitmore are empty calories. No winning team is going to have Keyonte shouldering a big offensive load. The fact Utah wants to lose and in order to lose they feel that giving Keyonte the ball is the best way to do that says a lot.

This is about Keyonte vs. Gradey, so if Keyonte is shooting 41.2% from the field then what does that say about Gradey who is supposed to be a great shooter but currently at 41.9%?

And this "playing for a bad team" reasoning seems to be used to support whichever agenda is being spouted. Last year it was Barnes was playing on a bad team to justify his bad performance. Now it's the same "playing on a bad team" reasoning is used to nullify Keyonte's good performance.

I'm still hopeful on Gradey, he's got a good head on his shoulders and you can tell he's trying to become better which I can see him do as this season progresses. But there's no need to attack on Keyonte to try to make Gradey's pick selection better. He's playing very well for a 16th pick.

Yeah no one is saying Keyonte is an all star here lol....We are comparing him to Gradey and who you would rather have....Give me the guy putting up 22, 7,4 even if you use the bad team excuse lol....Dick vs Goerge id take Goerge anyday.

[TheGeneral99]

The positives with Gradey so far are that he moves well without the ball and can finish quite well around the rim.

The negatives are that he's not shooting like he should be. For his defensive limitations, he should be shooting closer to 40% from 3 as opposed to 34%.

[Duffman100]

The positives with Gradey so far are that he moves well without the ball and can finish quite well around the rim.

The negatives are that he's not shooting like he should be. For his defensive limitations, he should be shooting closer to 40% from 3 as opposed to 34%.

I still think the possibility is there that he all of a sudden 'clicks' and his shot becomes automatic.

At least last season, you could see it in garbage time. When the pressure led up a bit, he was lights out when it didn't matter. I still think he's in his own head a bit when shooting. like "**** I'm open, I gotta hit this" and he's aiming it, rather than just launching it on muscle memory.

[Los_29]

Utah is one of the worst teams in the league and Keyonte is shooting 41% from the field and a dreadful 27% from three. That’s just bad offense. The team is also horrible when he’s on the floor.

It reminds me of the Whitmore debates. George and Whitmore are empty calories. No winning team is going to have Keyonte shouldering a big offensive load. The fact Utah wants to lose and in order to lose they feel that giving Keyonte the ball is the best way to do that says a lot.

This is about Keyonte vs. Gradey, so if Keyonte is shooting 41.2% from the field then what does that say about Gradey who is supposed to be a great shooter but currently at 41.9%?

And this "playing for a bad team" reasoning seems to be used to support whichever agenda is being spouted. Last year it was Barnes was playing on a bad team to justify his bad performance. Now it's the same "playing on a bad team" reasoning is used to nullify Keyonte's good performance.

I'm still hopeful on Gradey, he's got a good head on his shoulders and you can tell he's trying to become better which I can see him do as this season progresses. But there's no need to attack on Keyonte to try to make Gradey's pick selection better. He's playing very well for a 16th pick.

Yeah no one is saying Keyonte is an all star here lol....We are comparing him to Gradey and who you would rather have....Give me the guy putting up 22, 7,4 even if you use the bad team excuse lol....Dick vs Goerge id take Goerge anyday.

The point is he’s doing it while shooting 41% from the field and 27% from three. That’s atrocious.

I think this forum would love someone averaging 25ppg even if they shot 30% from the field. lol.

[LLJ]

Dick is streaky. He'll go a few weeks shooting sub 35% from 3 and then a few weeks shooting +40% from 3 every game.

Problem is for what we expected out of him, was a consistent catch and shoot 3 point shooter. It's more glaring with Dick because he can go even months shooting poorly (as seen in his rookie year) before he hits a patch where he's lights out. There's no in between with him.

[YogurtProducer]

Dick is streaky. He'll go a few weeks shooting sub 35% from 3 and then a few weeks shooting +40% from 3 every game.

Problem is for what we expected out of him, was a consistent catch and shoot 3 point shooter. It's more glaring with Dick because he can go even months shooting poorly (as seen in his rookie year) before he hits a patch where he's lights out. There's no in between with him.

You just described every 3 point shooter lol

Outside guys putting up enough volume to limit the swings, every 3 point shooter goes up and down.

There is no such thing as a “consistent” 3 point shooter, because even an elite guy misses 60% of the time.

[LLJ]

Dick is streaky. He'll go a few weeks shooting sub 35% from 3 and then a few weeks shooting +40% from 3 every game.

Problem is for what we expected out of him, was a consistent catch and shoot 3 point shooter. It's more glaring with Dick because he can go even months shooting poorly (as seen in his rookie year) before he hits a patch where he's lights out. There's no in between with him.

You just described every 3 point shooter lol

Outside guys putting up enough volume to limit the swings, every 3 point shooter goes up and down.

There is no such thing as a “consistent” 3 point shooter, because even an elite guy misses 60% of the time.

There are many shooters who will slump, yes, but maybe a game here and there, or for a week or two. They end up shooting 40% for the season because they may shoot 5-6 one game and 1-6 the next, or they might go one or two weeks shooting 1-5 and then get it back to their average the weeks after.

Dick we've seen go as long as a month going sub 35 and then spend the next month shooting +40. His slump-to-hot splits seem far more extreme in how long they last.

All this being said, his season shooting averages right now aren't far off from his past years. It's very possible he's really only just a 35%-36% 3 point shooter overall.

[YogurtProducer]

Dick is streaky. He'll go a few weeks shooting sub 35% from 3 and then a few weeks shooting +40% from 3 every game.

Problem is for what we expected out of him, was a consistent catch and shoot 3 point shooter. It's more glaring with Dick because he can go even months shooting poorly (as seen in his rookie year) before he hits a patch where he's lights out. There's no in between with him.

You just described every 3 point shooter lol

Outside guys putting up enough volume to limit the swings, every 3 point shooter goes up and down.

There is no such thing as a “consistent” 3 point shooter, because even an elite guy misses 60% of the time.

There are many shooters who will slump, yes, but maybe a game here and there, or for a week or two. They end up shooting 40% for the season because they may shoot 5-6 one game and 1-6 the next, or they might go one or two weeks shooting 1-5 and then get it back to their average the weeks after.

Dick we've seen go as long as a month going sub 35 and then spend the next month shooting +40. His slump-to-hot splits seem far more extreme in how long they last.

All this being said, his season shooting averages right now aren't far off from his past years. It's very possible he's really only just a 35%-36% 3 point shooter overall.

Going from sub 35% to 40+ is entirely normal.

A guy like Klay in his best season went from 39-49% based on the month. Almost any shooter will have a pretty wide variance on a month to month basis.

[LLJ]

You just described every 3 point shooter lol

Outside guys putting up enough volume to limit the swings, every 3 point shooter goes up and down.

There is no such thing as a “consistent” 3 point shooter, because even an elite guy misses 60% of the time.

There are many shooters who will slump, yes, but maybe a game here and there, or for a week or two. They end up shooting 40% for the season because they may shoot 5-6 one game and 1-6 the next, or they might go one or two weeks shooting 1-5 and then get it back to their average the weeks after.

Dick we've seen go as long as a month going sub 35 and then spend the next month shooting +40. His slump-to-hot splits seem far more extreme in how long they last.

All this being said, his season shooting averages right now aren't far off from his past years. It's very possible he's really only just a 35%-36% 3 point shooter overall.

Going from sub 35% to 40+ is entirely normal.

A guy like Klay in his best season went from 39-49% based on the month. Almost any shooter will have a pretty wide variance on a month to month basis.

Fair enough. But as I said in my last remark, Dick's shooting stats so far this season is still fairly close to his career stats. He may simply not ever be that 40% 3 pt shooter people hoped for.

[earthtone]

This is about Keyonte vs. Gradey, so if Keyonte is shooting 41.2% from the field then what does that say about Gradey who is supposed to be a great shooter but currently at 41.9%?

And this "playing for a bad team" reasoning seems to be used to support whichever agenda is being spouted. Last year it was Barnes was playing on a bad team to justify his bad performance. Now it's the same "playing on a bad team" reasoning is used to nullify Keyonte's good performance.

I'm still hopeful on Gradey, he's got a good head on his shoulders and you can tell he's trying to become better which I can see him do as this season progresses. But there's no need to attack on Keyonte to try to make Gradey's pick selection better. He's playing very well for a 16th pick.

Yeah no one is saying Keyonte is an all star here lol....We are comparing him to Gradey and who you would rather have....Give me the guy putting up 22, 7,4 even if you use the bad team excuse lol....Dick vs Goerge id take Goerge anyday.

The point is he’s doing it while shooting 41% from the field and 27% from three. That’s atrocious.

I think this forum would love someone averaging 25ppg even if they shot 30% from the field. lol.

Don’t think its really fair to judge young guards on their efficiency, let alone young guards with a high usage role on a tanking team.

Keyonte turned 22 last week has been really impressive generating shots for himself & his team mates so far in his career.

Time will tell if he improves his efficiency and gets to that Bradley Beal/CJ Mccollum or even Devin Booker (ceiling tier), or ends up closer to a Malik Monk/Jordan Clarkson, but he’s definitely proven he has a very valuable NBA-level skillset

[sca]

I don’t know if anyone noticed this, but we’ve outscored teams in 13 of the 14 games while Dick plays. It’s like Darko has a secret weapon in his pocket.

[Appostis]

I don’t know if anyone noticed this, but we’ve outscored teams in 13 of the 14 games while Dick plays. It’s like Darko has a secret weapon in his pocket.

Almost as if he provides benefits such as spacing...

[Tripod]

Gradey running away with top +/- spot on the team for the season.

[OhCanada]

Gradey Dick has actually been developing well. Hes gotten alot stronger and it shows on both ends when fighting through screens hes improved alot and finishing at the rim he always goes up strong now. He looks like a very good player. His problem is he doesn't play every possession expecting to get the ball so hes not really running through screens at 100% effort and his positioning and shot preperation is inconsistent.

Gradey would be much better in a similar role that RJ Barrett has. 2nd or 3rd option high usage wing.I dont think hes quite At RJ's level right now but I'm not sure I believe in Grady longterm as a more low usage/off the ball/Klay Thompson 1 dribble or less role. Its just not his game.

[Appostis]

Wrong thread

[everdiso]

Dick : 16.6pts/36, 16.6usg%, 59.1ts%, +7.0pts, +17.3netrating

Pretty good.

[MiamiSPX]

Not giving up on JKW but he's been so bad that I am always hoping we can just survive his minutes.

[Psubs]

Not giving up on JKW but he's been so bad that I am always hoping we can just survive his minutes.

It might take him a few years to develop physically and mentally but he has real tools. At least his 2nd contract should be small like 3 years $20 million.