2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Asif16]

What do y’all think of this trade? If I take my emotions out of it, it kind of makes sense to me.

Toronto gets: James Harden + PJ Tucker
Houston gets: Paul George + Terence Davis + Lou Williams + 2021 Raptors 1st
Clippers get: Kyle Lowry + Norman Powell

FVV/Harden/OG/Siakam/Baynes
Flynn/Thomas/Watson/Tucker/Boucher

Wall/Gordon/PG/House/Wood
Williams/Davis/Nwaba/Caboclo/Cousins

Lowry/Powell/Leonard/Morris/Ibaka
Beverly/Kennard/Batum/Patterson/Zubac

Does that work on the trade checker? I would honestly do it

[Ell Curry]

Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but what we think about Blake Griffin next year as a possible consolidation prize for failing to land Giannis? I know he has his baggage and can be more flash than product at times but I think he could also benefit from a disciplined coach and program. He’s also matured since his years in Detroit

He is not going to opt out of his $29 million player option for 2021/2022.

I think he meant we would just trade for Blake's 29M over the summer.

I am intrigued by the Blake-Siakam-OG fit as a front court. Detroit had a weird summer I have no idea what they're doing.

I think the more realistic trade is a deadline deal of Derrick Rose for one of Terrence Davis or Matt Thomas and then the expiring of McCaw and Stanley Johnson if we don't want to keep Davis long-term anymore but Detroit is excited to get a good 2 guard, since we need another scorer badly and he could be in a nice 3 guard rotation with Lowry and Van Vleet, with Siakam and OG obviously playing big front court minutes and presumably Baynes, Boucher, Norm and whoever emerges as a 4th 20-25 minute guy (I'm betting on Watson or Davis if he's on the team) filling in most of the 110 front court minutes or so left in a playoff game.

[OAKLEY_2]

What do y’all think of this trade? If I take my emotions out of it, it kind of makes sense to me.

Toronto gets: James Harden + PJ Tucker
Houston gets: Paul George + Terence Davis + Lou Williams + 2021 Raptors 1st
Clippers get: Kyle Lowry + Norman Powell

FVV/Harden/OG/Siakam/Baynes
Flynn/Thomas/Watson/Tucker/Boucher

Wall/Gordon/PG/House/Wood
Williams/Davis/Nwaba/Caboclo/Cousins

Lowry/Powell/Leonard/Morris/Ibaka
Beverly/Kennard/Batum/Patterson/Zubac

Does that work on the trade checker? I would honestly do it

I think it is about 2 mil shy of matching so probably does work. Imagine how Paskal would feel staring at Lowry/Powell/Leonard/Morris/Ibaka...??? He would have to say hey - I am 10 times better than Morris. PJ walked from us and maybe the feeling was mutual but I would surmise we end up with shooter Lou and not PJ. Clips would nab PJ in that deal. Houston gets Norm.

FVV/Harden/OG/Siakam/Baynes
Flynn/LouWil/Watson/Boucher/Len
Thomas/Shae/Alize/Harris

Lowry/Kennard/Leonard/PJ/Ibaka
Beverly/Batum/Morris/Patterson/Zubac
(CHIP)

Wall/Norm/PG/House/Wood
Gordon/Davis/Nwaba/Caboclo/Cousins

[tecumseh18]

What do y’all think of this trade? If I take my emotions out of it, it kind of makes sense to me.

Toronto gets: James Harden + PJ Tucker
Houston gets: Paul George + Terence Davis + Lou Williams + 2021 Raptors 1st
Clippers get: Kyle Lowry + Norman Powell

FVV/Harden/OG/Siakam/Baynes
Flynn/Thomas/Watson/Tucker/Boucher

Wall/Gordon/PG/House/Wood
Williams/Davis/Nwaba/Caboclo/Cousins

Lowry/Powell/Leonard/Morris/Ibaka
Beverly/Kennard/Batum/Patterson/Zubac

Does that work on the trade checker? I would honestly do it

I think it is about 2 mil shy of matching so probably does work. Imagine how Paskal would feel staring at Lowry/Powell/Leonard/Morris/Ibaka...??? He would have to say hey - I am 10 times better than Morris. PJ walked from us and maybe the feeling was mutual but I would surmise we end up with shooter Lou and not PJ. Clips would nab PJ in that deal. Houston gets Norm.

FVV/Harden/OG/Siakam/Baynes
Flynn/LouWil/Watson/Boucher/Len
Thomas/Shae/Alize/Harris

Lowry/Kennard/Leonard/PJ/Ibaka
Beverly/Batum/Morris/Patterson/Zubac
(CHIP)

Wall/Norm/PG/House/Wood
Gordon/Davis/Nwaba/Caboclo/Cousins

Usually, multi-team trades in this thread are in the purest realm of fantasy. But this .. works on so many levels. It's hard to imagine getting Harden without giving up ANY of our young core (I'm not a Norm fan). But this does it. I'm trying to figure out a flaw. We may have to send some (a lot) of draft picks to Clippers, because they gave up a lot for PG.

Question - if Clippers have Lowry, Norm, Kawhi and Serge in the starting lineup, can we really cheer against them?

Oh, and a recent post from a vet on the Bucks board (which I've been doomscrolling on the regular).

The media being dead silent on this makes me think they know Giannis signing the deal is inevitable.

[Lord_Zedd]

Hey guys I have a question and I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

Could we not have offered Serge a 1 year $20M deal? I know we didn't want to go 2 years to maintain a max spot but he got a 2 year deal of the MLE total almost $20M.

Same situation with Marc, couldn't we just have given them the 2 year total but instead a 1 year term.
Or were we over the salary cap?

We could but that would be our entire offseason as any other moves would put us extremely closer into the tax. Hence the $12 million offer.

[tecumseh18]

Hey guys I have a question and I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

Could we not have offered Serge a 1 year $20M deal? I know we didn't want to go 2 years to maintain a max spot but he got a 2 year deal of the MLE total almost $20M.

Same situation with Marc, couldn't we just have given them the 2 year total but instead a 1 year term.
Or were we over the salary cap?

We could but that would be our entire offseason as any other moves would put us extremely closer into the tax. Hence the $12 million offer.

Correct. And after going into the tax in 2019, the Raps needed to stay under the tax for the following two seasons (including this upcoming one) to reset the clock for avoiding paying the taxpayer repeater premium, which is unbelievably onerous.

[Raptors_128]

Does that work on the trade checker? I would honestly do it

I think it is about 2 mil shy of matching so probably does work. Imagine how Paskal would feel staring at Lowry/Powell/Leonard/Morris/Ibaka...??? He would have to say hey - I am 10 times better than Morris. PJ walked from us and maybe the feeling was mutual but I would surmise we end up with shooter Lou and not PJ. Clips would nab PJ in that deal. Houston gets Norm.

FVV/Harden/OG/Siakam/Baynes
Flynn/LouWil/Watson/Boucher/Len
Thomas/Shae/Alize/Harris

Lowry/Kennard/Leonard/PJ/Ibaka
Beverly/Batum/Morris/Patterson/Zubac
(CHIP)

Wall/Norm/PG/House/Wood
Gordon/Davis/Nwaba/Caboclo/Cousins

Usually, multi-team trades in this thread are in the purest realm of fantasy. But this .. works on so many levels. It's hard to imagine getting Harden without giving up ANY of our young core (I'm not a Norm fan). But this does it. I'm trying to figure out a flaw. We may have to send some (a lot) of draft picks to Clippers, because they gave up a lot for PG.

Question - if Clippers have Lowry, Norm, Kawhi and Serge in the starting lineup, can we really cheer against them?

Oh, and a recent post from a vet on the Bucks board (which I've been doomscrolling on the regular).

The media being dead silent on this makes me think they know Giannis signing the deal is inevitable.

I’ll cheer for Lowry in the West and hope that all of Lowry/Powell/Ibaka walk leaving them with nothing.

Man I think the Giannis dream is dead. We have to pivot now. We have to be aggressive when another superstar is available if we aren’t going to rebuild. I would move anyone else that’s not FVV/OG/Siakam to get this trade done.

[jimmy keys]

Damn

Well, VooDoo7 is just one guy (although long-timer PaulPressy seems to agree with him). But, everyone agrees this is taking WAY too long. With training camp starting, it's now or never (or next year).

It's funny to lurk on the Bucks board. The depressive fatalism is familiar to me as a long time Raps fan, but the Raps didn't screw up nearly as many times with lottery picks as the Bucks did. I feel for those guys, and part of me hopes that Giannis does re-sign. We've had our fun.

My personal take - there's just no way Bucks' management would have given up so much for Jrue without a commitment from Giannis. It basically forces them to trade Giannis now if he doesn't re-up to recover all that draft capital. They don't want to spent years at the bottom of the standings without draft picks.

meh. we'll see what happens. players who re-sign usually do so immediately or as soon as they can. i can't think of anyone who has taken a wait and see approach or waited until the last minute to commit.

my personal take - the bucks are desperate and acted desperately. it would be beyond embarrassing to trade for Jrue only to then turn around and trade Giannis. i think it's all in with a pretty weak hand to be honest.

[DAcReator]

This is kinda a late question, but after reading the general board and the hype around tyrell Terry, I am still confused why raps didnt pull the trig on him. I get a lot of teams passed so there is probs something that we cant see, but his shooting potential seems to be off the charts and if theres a chance he becomes a seth curry in a game where 3 point shooters are aboslute GOLD - why did we let him go? Plus hes so young and apparently very smart ugh

[Psubs]

This is kinda a late question, but after reading the general board and the hype around tyrell Terry, I am still confused why raps didnt pull the trig on him. I get a lot of teams passed so there is probs something that we cant see, but his shooting potential seems to be off the charts and if theres a chance he becomes a seth curry in a game where 3 point shooters are aboslute GOLD - why did we let him go? Plus hes so young and apparently very smart ugh

I guess they see him only being a Seth Curry like combo guard. Whereas Flynn, had to be the #1 option and developed already into a good offensive and defensive player that can run an offense. Flynn has a more complete game to eventually take over the starting PG position. Raptors took the more complete player with higher floor. Flynn is more likely to be Mike Bibby than Terry is to be Mark Price.

Also the team has Matt Thomas who shot 47% from 3 in the NBA last year and they don't see a major upgrade Terry would make to help the team.

In 10 games in the playoffs, Matt Thomas had 7 assists and 1 turnover. He should've played in the 2nd half of game 7.

[Duffman100]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

[OAKLEY_2]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

Shooting? He's a guard?

[tecumseh18]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

So we can trade OG to bring in a superstar? Between Bembry (who gives me a good vibe) and PWJ, we may not miss OG so much.

[Duffman100]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

Shooting? He's a guard?

Bembry can't shoot, that's the problem.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

Shooting? He's a guard?

Bembry can't shoot, that's the problem.

off the ball movement guard/player, likely his slashing abilities and defense? I think with his athleticism, he's got some potential they think they can squeeze out of him.

but hopefully he's been working on his shot - only weakness in his game - he's not afraid to go to the rim and he's got hops. he's got some tight handles too.

[Psubs]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

So we can trade OG to bring in a superstar? Between Bembry (who gives me a good vibe) and PWJ, we may not miss OG so much.

OG is the most important player on the team. I'm trading anyone but OG to bring in a "superstar".

[VancouverRaps]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

I don’t get it either, RHJ seemed like a better fit for this roster, already have plenty of guards, but wings/forwards with size is pretty shallow in terms of depth.

RHJ could defend guards too, he was a nice fit for Nurse’s aggressive, switch-heavy defense.

Maybe Nick didn’t like his mental lapses? He was prone to falling a sleep defensively when his assignment moved off the ball. He also took some bad shots offensively, some of his ISO attempts were painful to watch, he was at his best when he only scored off of rebounds, cutting and fast break drives.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

So we can trade OG to bring in a superstar? Between Bembry (who gives me a good vibe) and PWJ, we may not miss OG so much.

OG is the most important player on the team. I'm trading anyone but OG to bring in a "superstar".

eh OG is a role player for life in all likelihood. if you get a superstar for him, you do it. you can't play favorites when you get a franchise altering player.

[Lukeem]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

Remember in the bubble when they ran some interesting options off of Rhj. Trying to essentially minimize teams playing off him. ( if they did the best shooter could run to ball and work a handoff to get space )

Bembry is a better ball handler so maybe they are imagining expanding that wrinkle ? While still getting intense D

[bballsparkin]

Riddle me this,

Why did we decide to go with Bembry of RHJ?

I honestly don't know much about Bembry. RHJ though, his offense needs a lot of work. He was basically unplayable in the playoffs. So maybe switch it up and try something different. Perhaps opening more play time for Stanley and McCaw?