Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

RaptorReloaded · Post #2041 » by **RaptorReloaded** » Mon May 2, 2011 12:13 am

I think some of it comes from this love for Bayless which I also share. Thing is though as much as I'm a fan I'm not completely convinced that he can be the pg of the future for this team. I think Knight can become a better shooter and defender then him over time. Hell having him back up Bayless over Jose would be awsome.

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #2042 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Mon May 2, 2011 12:14 am

Me too. Knights D at PG will make the whole team better. I'm really liking him with our pick

Knight / Bayless
Derozan / Barbosa
Johnson / Klezia
Davis / Amir
Bargnani / C(Calderon trade)

Were looking pretty good. Imagine getting Gilchrist next year. That can fully compliment Andrea

Knight
Derozan
Gilchrist
Davis
Bargnani

Rapsobsessed7 · Post #2043 » by **Rapsobsessed7** » Mon May 2, 2011 12:15 am

RaptorReloaded wrote:I think some of it comes from this love for Bayless which I also share. Thing is though as much as I'm a fan I'm not completely convinced that he can be the pg of the future for this team. I think Knight can become a better shooter and defender then him over time. Hell having him back up Bayless over Jose would be awsome.

I think Bayless role in the NBA is as a 6th man coming off the bench and scoring ala Crawford,Barbosa,Smith,ect. He isn't a long term solution at PG for us

Reef · Post #2044 » by **Reef** » Mon May 2, 2011 12:45 am

Dr Mufasa wrote:The other thing is, people are obsessed with getting a C defender, but who's the great shotblocker in Memphis? Who's the great shotblocker on the present Miami Heat? Perimeter help d is huge. And I would be very, very very very very confident in a Knight Derozan backcourt defensively. That's a tandem that's long, strong and extremely motivated. Having those guys back there would make defense easier for everyone else and rub off on the rest of the team.

Knight = 3rd most talented player in the draft, he's 18 and he approaches the game like Demar. If we get the PG Demar out of this draft we should be happy. I say draft Knight.

That would be one of the worst ball-handling backcourts in the league.

fredericklove · Post #2045 » by **fredericklove** » Mon May 2, 2011 1:05 am

Reef wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:The other thing is, people are obsessed with getting a C defender, but who's the great shotblocker in Memphis? Who's the great shotblocker on the present Miami Heat? Perimeter help d is huge. And I would be very, very very very very confident in a Knight Derozan backcourt defensively. That's a tandem that's long, strong and extremely motivated. Having those guys back there would make defense easier for everyone else and rub off on the rest of the team.

Knight = 3rd most talented player in the draft, he's 18 and he approaches the game like Demar. If we get the PG Demar out of this draft we should be happy. I say draft Knight.

That would be one of the worst ball-handling backcourts in the league.

+1

ATLTimekeeper · Post #2046 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Mon May 2, 2011 1:11 am

Reef wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:The other thing is, people are obsessed with getting a C defender, but who's the great shotblocker in Memphis? Who's the great shotblocker on the present Miami Heat? Perimeter help d is huge. And I would be very, very very very very confident in a Knight Derozan backcourt defensively. That's a tandem that's long, strong and extremely motivated. Having those guys back there would make defense easier for everyone else and rub off on the rest of the team.

Knight = 3rd most talented player in the draft, he's 18 and he approaches the game like Demar. If we get the PG Demar out of this draft we should be happy. I say draft Knight.

That would be one of the worst ball-handling backcourts in the league.

And passing.

God Squad · Post #2047 » by **God Squad** » Mon May 2, 2011 3:58 pm

Reef wrote:
Dr Mufasa wrote:The other thing is, people are obsessed with getting a C defender, but who's the great shotblocker in Memphis? Who's the great shotblocker on the present Miami Heat? Perimeter help d is huge. And I would be very, very very very very confident in a Knight Derozan backcourt defensively. That's a tandem that's long, strong and extremely motivated. Having those guys back there would make defense easier for everyone else and rub off on the rest of the team.

Knight = 3rd most talented player in the draft, he's 18 and he approaches the game like Demar. If we get the PG Demar out of this draft we should be happy. I say draft Knight.

That would be one of the worst ball-handling backcourts in the league.

I really believe Knight can improve at all aspects may it be ball-handling, passing or whatever. I think people don't give him enough credit. He has lots of room for improvement. But the best part is he knows this. He's not satisfied with his game. He's gonna be one of those players in the gym at all hours of the Knight WITH Demar (hopefully) getting better and just putting in overtime.

Basketball_Jones · Post #2048 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Mon May 2, 2011 6:11 pm

My problem with Knight is his shooting percentages. Not impressive, especially for college.

Brinbe · Post #2049 » by **Brinbe** » Mon May 2, 2011 6:44 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:My problem with Knight is his shooting percentages. Not impressive, thespecially for college.

Really? I don't really agree with that. Statistically he wasn't really bad in that area. Also, consider that 1)he's a freshman, and 2)he's about even with Walker in that area, and it's not so bad. And his %s from 3 are actually pretty encouraging.

Stats comparison on Irving/Knight/Walker/Jimmer
http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?y ... 6%5D=48516

Indeed · Post #2050 » by **Indeed** » Mon May 2, 2011 6:45 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Rapsobsessed7 wrote:for me its this. If we remain at #3

Enes Kanter and see during workouts things about him like defense, rebounding, post play, ect and make sure his knee checks out.

If its deemed he cant play D well and is all offense, you go with Brandon Knight

So Enes Kanter until workouts and then if he has a bad workout then its Brandon Knight for me.

He seems to be a good man defender, however he is slow, and with our poor perimeter defense, I doubt he makes any difference.

Bargnani is a good man defender, poor help defender. Sounds just like him IMO. Differences being Kanter has post moves and Bargnani a better shooter. When Bosh was here i often thought Bargnani was the better man to man defender but its his help D thats awful. Pick Knight he brings D and can make Bargnani look passible

He is slow getting to the position, not slow reacting.
His timing is great, and know his role (when to help and when not to help).

At times Bosh was playing the C spot, just like where JO plays on both end, and it works fine.
After the departure of Bosh, we tried to do too much with Bargnani, which is not his role nor his ability. So there was problem with our coaching and strategy with players, where we only play them at one end, but not giving them instruction at both end.

Post #2051 » by **Alfred** » Mon May 2, 2011 7:26 pm

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/d ... ef:nbahpt1

David Aldridge did a run down on Power Forward prospects in this year's draft. He lists Derrick Williams as a PF, and he tops the list. He also had a lot of scout quotes that said that Vesely was the real deal and a top 5 pick in this year's draft.

ballislife · Post #2052 » by **ballislife** » Mon May 2, 2011 7:28 pm

15 days until the NBA draft lottery... we'll finally have a good understanding of who we'll actually be able to get. Hopefully its either #1 or #2 :pray:

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #2053 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Mon May 2, 2011 7:45 pm

Vesely is going to be good. I've only seen him play twice, but he's a guy who impacts the game through his energy. I don't think he slips past Utah. I think they take him, assuming they don't move up any after the lottery process.

McFurious1 · Post #2054 » by **McFurious1** » Mon May 2, 2011 8:17 pm

Vesely is an interesting prospect

dagger · Post #2055 » by **dagger** » Mon May 2, 2011 8:42 pm

Alfred wrote:http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/05/02/big-board-power-forwards/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

David Aldridge did a run down on Power Forward prospects in this year's draft. He lists Derrick Williams as a PF, and he tops the list. He also had a lot of scout quotes that said that Vesely was the real deal and a top 5 pick in this year's draft.

Givony is tweeting nasty things about that Aldridge column.

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
This David Aldridge article is like a parody of NBA draft article. Could people have really told him that Motiejunas plays against midgets?
14 minutes ago

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
"Motiejunas entered his name in last year's Draft but pulled out after being unable to secure a top-12 guarantee" - I must have missed that?
15 minutes ago

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Like Iguodala, Williams went to Arizona. Unlike Iguodala...everything else about him as a basketball player?
19 minutes ago

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Actual quote (from a supposed NBA draft analyst): "Derrick Williams draws comparisons to small forwards like Andre Iguodala"
19 minutes ago

Post #2056 » by **Alfred** » Mon May 2, 2011 8:52 pm

dagger wrote:
Alfred wrote:http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/05/02/big-board-power-forwards/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

David Aldridge did a run down on Power Forward prospects in this year's draft. He lists Derrick Williams as a PF, and he tops the list. He also had a lot of scout quotes that said that Vesely was the real deal and a top 5 pick in this year's draft.

Givony is tweeting nasty things about that Aldridge column.

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
This David Aldridge article is like a parody of NBA draft article. Could people have really told him that Motiejunas plays against midgets?
14 minutes ago

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
"Motiejunas entered his name in last year's Draft but pulled out after being unable to secure a top-12 guarantee" - I must have missed that?
15 minutes ago

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Like Iguodala, Williams went to Arizona. Unlike Iguodala...everything else about him as a basketball player?
19 minutes ago

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Actual quote (from a supposed NBA draft analyst): "Derrick Williams draws comparisons to small forwards like Andre Iguodala"
19 minutes ago

Wow. Aldridge is usually on the ball, perhaps he's getting bad information.

Post #2057 » by **Alfred** » Mon May 2, 2011 8:59 pm

While that Iguodala comparison is obviously pretty flawed, I believe that Lute Olson actually compared Williams to him during the tourney.

JN · Post #2058 » by JN » Mon May 2, 2011 9:05 pm

Alfred wrote:While that Iguodala comparison is obviously pretty flawed, I believe that Lute Olson actually compared Williams to him during the tourney.

Lute Olson did compare him to Andre Iguodala during an interview in the Arizona game against either Duke or Texas. It seemed like a very odd comparison when I heard it.

Post #2059 » by **5DOM** » Mon May 2, 2011 9:07 pm

JN wrote:
Alfred wrote:While that Iguodala comparison is obviously pretty flawed, I believe that Lute Olson actually compared Williams to him during the tourney.

Lute Olson did compare him to Andre Iguodala during an interview in the Arizona game against either Duke or Texas. It seemed like a very odd comparison when I heard it.

Thought it was the UCONN game, but I think he only compared Williams to Iguodala because of their athleticism and obvious Arizona connection

wanker · Post #2060 » by **wanker** » Mon May 2, 2011 9:12 pm

dagger wrote:
Givony is tweeting nasty things about that Aldridge column.

These tweets are completely unnecessary and ultimately pretty unprofessional, especially considering some of the **** Givony puts out there.