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2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2041 » by bluerap23 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:55 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:To Toronto: Harden, Tucker
To Philly: Lowry
To Houston: OG, Powell, Davis, Tobias, 3 first and 2 2nd picks (2 firsts and 1 second from Toronto and 1 first and 1 second from Philly)

Who says no and why?


Houston. They can't have the best player coming back being....who is even the best of those guys? The picks don't make up for the talent disparity between Harden and what they get in return.

I think it would have to be more like this (add picks as necessary to round it out):

To Toronto: Harden
To Philadelphia: Lowry + Powell
To Houston: Simmons + Thybulle

For Houston, the talent exchange is more fair with getting Simmons for Harden.

People might question it from Philly's side thinking Simmons is much better than Lowry. However, Lowry played at an All-Star level last year and while he's obviously older he brings leadership and experience winning to a team that lacks both. Kyle should be able to bring out the best in Embiid.


If I am Philly I am not giving up Simmons for Harder, let alone Lowry. No way they do that trade.

Houston will definitely try to get a star but I don't see any becoming available any time soon. Their best course is to wait a little while to see how Philly and the Clippers do out of the gate. If one of them falters they can hope for Simmons or George.

If they can't get a star back a package of OG, Norm, TD, Harris and 4 picks isn't bad at all. They would still be a playoff team and would have enough assets to acquire another star when one shakes out. They would have a pretty solid lineup.

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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2042 » by StopitLeo » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:27 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
If I am Philly I am not giving up Simmons for Harder, let alone Lowry. No way they do that trade.



In July 2018, Morey was asked what his best move was as a GM. His answer? Trading for Kyle Lowry.

Think about that. Morey said his best move as a GM was trading for Lowry, who isn't on their team, and he's saying this a month after James Harden just won MVP.

Morey loves Lowry. I can only imagine he loves NBA Champion Lowry even more.

While Simmons-Embiid looks great on paper they do not perform well on the court. Lowry-Embiid would be much better for their team and Embiid's development. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Daryl Morey recognized this.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2043 » by Ell Curry » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:57 pm

I think there are 3 obvious routes to us being a genuine contender this year:

1. One of Siakam or OG makes a huge leap. Powell or Fred or Boucher could too but seems less likely.

2. One of Flynn, Davis, Watson or Thomas establishes himself as a guy who should play 25 minutes a night, allowing us to trade Norm, McCaw and/or Stanley and a sweetener for a front court starter, either a huge upgrade at centre (Miles Turner for example) or a guy who can play there as we go pace and space (Aaron Gordon, John Collins). This would kill our 2021 cap space and having the max to offer Giannis would necessitate trading Van Vleet before free agency or maybe it can be squeezed in (Gordon not Turner) if we trade sign and trade OG for a pick and shave a couple il elsewhere but there's not really an easy way to do that, even trading Davis or Thomas and getting only a future pick back saves like 0.5-1M per move. A move like Powell and a 1st for Wendell Carter Jr and Felicio's expiring contract gets us a centre and we keep 2021 max cap space for a Giannis or Kawhi offer, and the Bulls get an upgrade on the wing they can resign.

3. We trade for Harden or another disgruntled star.

2 seems the likeliest and is the have it all option in that we can compete and still go after Giannis/Kawhi have space for a decent plan B low 20s million signing of like an Oladipo or Gobert or say 20M for one year or two more of Lowry. Let's say Flynn and one of Watson/Davis are solid rotation guys and we flip Norm for Gordon(Norm to some team going for it out west like Denver and they send an expiring and a late first to Orlando) and add in a protected first, competing this year with a lineup of Gordon-Siakam-OG-VanVleet-Lowry with a bench of Boucher/Baynes/Watson/Davis/Thomas/Flynn and about 23M in cap space and if Giannis want to sign it means we can do it it just means flipping Van Vleet or Gordon and only take a pick or a guy making under 5M back in cap space to still have money for him, and I imagine that won't be too difficult, just might not bring us much value back if we've got the market knowing we're in a spot but hey, Van Vleet or Gordon to the Knicks or some team coming off a playoffs loss because they didn't have a guard or a strong enough starting 4 will be around and ready to offer something.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2044 » by Psubs » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:47 am

Noel looked decent for NY.
Harry Giles is beasting so far in 20 mins for Portland with 12 pts, 12 rebs, 2 stls and 2 blks.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2045 » by vanhill » Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:48 pm

Psubs wrote:Noel looked decent for NY.
Harry Giles is beasting so far in 20 mins for Portland with 12 pts, 12 rebs, 2 stls and 2 blks.

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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2046 » by SurgeIblocka » Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:21 pm

I knew Harry Giles would do good on his next team, was hoping we could have got him.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2047 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sat Dec 12, 2020 11:18 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Asif16 wrote:*Long shot but Works in the Trade Checker*

Toronto Gets: James Harden + Pj Tucker
LA Clippers get: Kyle Lowry
Houston Gets: Norman Powell, Lou Williams, Patrick Peverly, Ivica Zubac, Terence Davis, Tor 2021 FIrst, Right to swap 2022 TOR First.

Starting Lineups:

Fred VanVleet
James Harden
OG Anunoby
Pascal Siakam
Aron Baynes

Kyle Lowry
Paul George
Kawhi Leonard
Marcus Morris Sr.
Serge Ibaka

John Wall
Eric Gordon
Norman Powell
Eddie House JR.
Christian Wood


so basically Toronto trades Lowry, Powell, Davis, 1FRP and 1FRP swap for Harden and PJ Tucker. where do I sign up?

Harden has requested to be only be traded to certain teams too, so i don't know if Houston would play nice or if Harden would report to Toronto? (i know that would be a bitch move but it has happened to us and Harden seems like a guy who is a huge diva)


Harden would have a year in Tampa to test the fit and he could demand another trade if did not suit his fancy. No risk for the Raps.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2048 » by StopitLeo » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:47 am

Is this crazy?

Giannis to Toronto
Harden to Milwaukee
Siakam to Houston

Why for Toronto: Masai gets his guy without taking the risk of going into free agency. The team maintains cap flexibility to add to the roster in the following offseason.

Why for Milwaukee: If you're going to lose Giannis, replacing him with a former MVP and multiple time scoring champion is basically a dream outcome. Middleton and Holiday will definitely lighten the offensive load Harden has to carry. Harden is locked up for at least 2 seasons (probably 3 as he would be opting out of $47M).

Why for Houston: You're trading a disgruntled star for a rising-star in Siakam who was 2nd team All-NBA last year. Moving forward, I would argue that Pascal and Wall is a better duo than Simmons (who people think is the guy Houston would want for Harden) and Wall.

Of course, add supplementary players to make the money work and picks as necessary.

Who says no?
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2049 » by ash_k » Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:53 pm

Giannis signs the max by Dec 21 meaning "dream over"

to LAC: Kyle
to OKC: P.Beverley + L.Williams + Zubac + P.McCaw
to Raps: A.Horford + G.Hill

> OKC do it to save money from that Al's contract
> Clips for that much needed leadership
> Horford + G.Hill coming off the bench and finally making Norm the full-time starting SG!
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2050 » by Psubs » Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:00 pm

Utah signed Favors to a 3 year deal for around the MLE and drafted Azubuike.

Trade deadline trade? Powell, Len, McCaw, Stanley and 2021 1st pick for Gobert and 2021 2nd pick?

PG Lowry - Flynn - TD
SG FVV - Thomas - TD
SF OG - TD - Watson
PF Siakam - Boucher - Watanabe
C Gobert - Baynes - Boucher
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2051 » by Lukeem » Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:29 pm

Ell Curry wrote:I think there are 3 obvious routes to us being a genuine contender this year:

1. One of Siakam or OG makes a huge leap. Powell or Fred or Boucher could too but seems less likely.

2. One of Flynn, Davis, Watson or Thomas establishes himself as a guy who should play 25 minutes a night, allowing us to trade Norm, McCaw and/or Stanley and a sweetener for a front court starter, either a huge upgrade at centre (Miles Turner for example) or a guy who can play there as we go pace and space (Aaron Gordon, John Collins). This would kill our 2021 cap space and having the max to offer Giannis would necessitate trading Van Vleet before free agency or maybe it can be squeezed in (Gordon not Turner) if we trade sign and trade OG for a pick and shave a couple il elsewhere but there's not really an easy way to do that, even trading Davis or Thomas and getting only a future pick back saves like 0.5-1M per move. A move like Powell and a 1st for Wendell Carter Jr and Felicio's expiring contract gets us a centre and we keep 2021 max cap space for a Giannis or Kawhi offer, and the Bulls get an upgrade on the wing they can resign.

3. We trade for Harden or another disgruntled star.

2 seems the likeliest and is the have it all option in that we can compete and still go after Giannis/Kawhi have space for a decent plan B low 20s million signing of like an Oladipo or Gobert or say 20M for one year or two more of Lowry. Let's say Flynn and one of Watson/Davis are solid rotation guys and we flip Norm for Gordon(Norm to some team going for it out west like Denver and they send an expiring and a late first to Orlando) and add in a protected first, competing this year with a lineup of Gordon-Siakam-OG-VanVleet-Lowry with a bench of Boucher/Baynes/Watson/Davis/Thomas/Flynn and about 23M in cap space and if Giannis want to sign it means we can do it it just means flipping Van Vleet or Gordon and only take a pick or a guy making under 5M back in cap space to still have money for him, and I imagine that won't be too difficult, just might not bring us much value back if we've got the market knowing we're in a spot but hey, Van Vleet or Gordon to the Knicks or some team coming off a playoffs loss because they didn't have a guard or a strong enough starting 4 will be around and ready to offer something.


Great points. My thoughts on them.


1. I don’t think Siakam needs to make a huge leap, if he can consistently play like he did for 75% of the year (pre covid) we would have won Boston series. OG and FVV just need to add a little IMO (OG build on ball handling and staying consistent as a shooter, fvv has to be able to finish better, which will be tougher) Powell and Boucher can hopefully just add some more consistency don’t need to revolutionize their game I don’t think in anyway.

2. The trading powell topic is interesting. As it’s probably one of our best chances to improve (due to depth at sg and potentially sf if Watson can deliver (which is stretching Powell a bit thin at sr anyway )

I don’t think it’s going to happen though and I would hate to see playoff powell leave. Hopefully thomas, Davis, Watson, Flynn just show enough to give us great depth and/ or trade assets down the line.

3. Nice to dream. But I’m pretty skeptical. And I don’t want to tie everything to someone like harden anyway.


I think 1 is by far more likely. Like you stated 2 requires either getting someone that either ruins cap for 2021 or we are just renting them. Unless we can grab an expiring and what would probably be a rookie contract (which seems unlikely to me as powell is not locked up )
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2052 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:58 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:I knew Harry Giles would do good on his next team, was hoping we could have got him.


i think everyone knew. lol. 18 points 14 rebounds 3 steals 2 blocks

and he only signed for 1 year. too bad. Raptors could have given him the Len money (almost 2x what Giles is getting) with the possibility to be a starter over Baynes. Are the Raptors giving Boucher an easier pathway to be better than Baynes and Len to the starter role - cuz its not that hard.

If Giles wasn't the starting center for us to begin the season he would have been some time in the season.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2053 » by mademan » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:50 pm

ash_k wrote:Giannis signs the max by Dec 21 meaning "dream over"

to LAC: Kyle
to OKC: P.Beverley + L.Williams + Zubac + P.McCaw
to Raps: A.Horford + G.Hill

> OKC do it to save money from that Al's contract
> Clips for that much needed leadership
> Horford + G.Hill coming off the bench and finally making Norm the full-time starting SG!


I'd rather have Pat Bev+Zubac than Horford/Hill. I'd mostly just rather have Zubac than Horford/Hill

Tho i'd rather not trade Lowry to the Clips. Like ever. Phuck em. They can lose in the 2nd round every year
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2054 » by TheAlchemist » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:17 pm

ash_k wrote:Giannis signs the max by Dec 21 meaning "dream over"

to LAC: Kyle
to OKC: P.Beverley + L.Williams + Zubac + P.McCaw
to Raps: A.Horford + G.Hill

> OKC do it to save money from that Al's contract
> Clips for that much needed leadership
> Horford + G.Hill coming off the bench and finally making Norm the full-time starting SG!


What the ....

The Thunder received Kelly Oubre Jr., Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round for Chris Paul who's older then Lowry and hasn't won a chip.

You're telling me, we're going to trade Kyle for Horford's albatross contract and George hill? What the hell..

I have no idea why a Raptor fan would ever propose that?
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Post#2055 » by Kingsway_fan » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:41 pm

TheAlchemist wrote:
ash_k wrote:Giannis signs the max by Dec 21 meaning "dream over"

to LAC: Kyle
to OKC: P.Beverley + L.Williams + Zubac + P.McCaw
to Raps: A.Horford + G.Hill

> OKC do it to save money from that Al's contract
> Clips for that much needed leadership
> Horford + G.Hill coming off the bench and finally making Norm the full-time starting SG!


What the ....

The Thunder received Kelly Oubre Jr., Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round for Chris Paul who's older then Lowry and hasn't won a chip.

You're telling me, we're going to trade Kyle for Horford's albatross contract and George hill? What the hell..

I have no idea why a Raptor fan would ever propose that?


Lol Babcock trade
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2056 » by agkagk » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:41 am

StopitLeo wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
If I am Philly I am not giving up Simmons for Harder, let alone Lowry. No way they do that trade.



In July 2018, Morey was asked what his best move was as a GM. His answer? Trading for Kyle Lowry.

Think about that. Morey said his best move as a GM was trading for Lowry, who isn't on their team, and he's saying this a month after James Harden just won MVP.

Morey loves Lowry. I can only imagine he loves NBA Champion Lowry even more.

While Simmons-Embiid looks great on paper they do not perform well on the court. Lowry-Embiid would be much better for their team and Embiid's development. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Daryl Morey recognized this.


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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2057 » by isyed » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:57 am

If giannis doesn't sign by the 21st then norm is gone for sure. I would say first option would be to use him in a trade for giannis is the bucks are struggling by the trade deadline. At the very least if norm is performing well we will more than likely trade him for a future 1st. Most likely it will be a 2022 pick since we need to keep it lean for 2021. If our pick ends up being a high 20 pick again we will likely trade it for a 2022 pick or couple second rounders.

We need every dollar for giannis and lowry. If and only if the cap goes up we might have a chance to keep lowry at a 2 year 20 mill deal with player option for the second year so we can extend him next year at more money. Maybe a 3 year 45 mill deal which ends up being 4 year 55 mill and takes him to age 38. That last 2 years will be a massive overpay but he will be worth it.

2 1st rounders in 2022 just hive us more draft capital for further young players or the ability to trade for another star.

Only way we even have a chance at lowry is the cap going up, norm being traded and we trade our 2021 1st rounder for 2nd rounders or future picks.





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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2058 » by jimmy keys » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:16 am

ash_k wrote:Giannis signs the max by Dec 21 meaning "dream over"

to LAC: Kyle
to OKC: P.Beverley + L.Williams + Zubac + P.McCaw
to Raps: A.Horford + G.Hill

> OKC do it to save money from that Al's contract
> Clips for that much needed leadership
> Horford + G.Hill coming off the bench and finally making Norm the full-time starting SG!


that is beyond awful.
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2059 » by pr0gr4m » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:43 am

The big step for Powell is to show something as a playmaker and his team defense. If he puts that together and stops the tunnel vision I would put him ahead of Fred in the rotation. But we have seen minimal improvements with those regards. If we can dump Powell, Johnson, and McCaw. Potential targets could be Dieng, Randle, or Tim Hardeway Jr. I would go for Randle and a few 2nds.

Baynes/Randle
Siakam/Randle
OG/Davis
FVV/Flynn
Lowry/Flynn

That would probably lead to a 2nd round exit and potentially ECF at best. Minimally showing us as a contender. However, the following season you could have something. I would still trade Fred for a 3rd max and consider starting Flynn or Davis next season depending on the acquisition. I project either Flynn, Thomas, or Davis to break out as a "star" roleplayer.

Giannis/2021 FA
Siakam/2021 Draft
OG/Watson
Davis/Thomas
FVV/Flynn
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Re: 2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#2060 » by Kingsway_fan » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:05 am

Psubs wrote:Noel looked decent for NY.
Harry Giles is beasting so far in 20 mins for Portland with 12 pts, 12 rebs, 2 stls and 2 blks.


Yeah, this was a huge missed opportunity. Other than Baynes all the other signings are total scrubs...and mostly unplayable.

We have two nba bigs right now... baynes and boucher.

Unless we plan to use pascal and og a lot at the 5, we are amongst the weakest teams in the league at front court.

Guard depth is excellent however.

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