2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[PoundTown]

What would Jalen Smith cost raptors? would Chris Boucher & 2023 SRP for Jalen Smith & 2024 FRP(protected) be Fair?

Given that they didn’t pick up his option, I’m thinking a Boucher for smith swap straight up.

[Ell Curry]

Watching the Purdue/Michigan game. Jaden Ivey is going to be a really good nba player, very strong and explosive. Houstan hasn't been very noticeable for Michigan.

But I really like Trevion Williams. Six-ten, 265 lbs, smart, great passer. Not a threat from 3 yet. Good rebounder.

The nbadraftroom mock draft has the Raptors picking John Butler from Florida State at a projected #17. But there are a few Raptors type players in the first round. I still like Nzosa as a prospect. If we really think we need a big, these guys are the type of big we should go after. Mobile and athletic. And in the draft, not at the deadline, where we should be going after a bench shooter with defensive chops.

I was looking at Trevion Williams but he didn't seem mobile enough.

If we think Williams can drop 20 pounds and get faster he's an intriguing undrafted guy.

[Ell Curry]

What would Jalen Smith cost raptors? would Chris Boucher & 2023 SRP for Jalen Smith & 2024 FRP(protected) be Fair?

Given that they didn’t pick up his option, I’m thinking a Boucher for smith swap straight up.

Problem with Smith is if you trade for him you can only offer him 4.67M a year. If we really like him, the logical move is to make him a big MLE offer and instead move Boucher and Dragic for a guard making up to 10M next year like an Alec Burks and then we still have the 3.9M BAE to use on a wing or prospect we like.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I think Bamba + Harris should be the target package.

Bamba is underrated playing in Orlando. He is in his fourth year and has shown improvement in almost all statistical categories year-over-year. People want a big who can protect the rim, shoot the 3, rebound, and make FTs so they can finish games - that’s Bamba.

I see a lot of people saying that Bamba has low basketball IQ but that is completely inconsistent with what his coaches in AAU and at Texas have said, and what scouts wrote about him going into the draft. The guy paid to go to the MIT Sloan Analytic conference when he was in high-school because he wanted to learn and get better.

I think Bamba could really flourish on a good team like the Raptors where the coaches will put him in spots to be most successful. There may be some concerns about injury but if you look at the reasons he’s missed large stretches they were a tibia stress fracture as a rookie and then a challenging COVID recovery.

will he be ok playing behind birch

He doesn't need to be as he should be playing behind Birch in the first place.

I agree that Bamba should be the target. We need a C who is young and can rebound, shoot the 3, defend and make FTs. Out of all the Cs on the market, I think he's not only the most attainable but also the best option for the long term outlook of the team.

The downside is we HAVE to take Terrence Ross back. Taking back Gary Harris instead means we have to either add Boucher (who can be used in another trade to address a different hole in the roster) or trade a bunch our depth to equal the difference which is about $7M.

Easiest way to do this is just Dragic + 2022 protected FRP for Ross + Bamba. Follow that up with Boucher for White. This will take us back under the tax while giving us two young quality pieces that can help now and be part of the future. If you have to deal Flynn, I think Hernangomez is a good target for C depth.

Vanvleet/Trent/Anunoby/Siakam/Bamba
White/Ross/Barnes/Precious/Birch

It’s a legit question. He couldn’t beat birch for minutes in Orlando which was a big reason why birch left in the first place. And given birch is barely getting any minutes what chance does Bamba have. This organization is not in the habit of gifting minutes to players.
I’m just not sure Ross and Bamba fit this teams culture. And even if raps were to trade for them there is no way in hell Masai gives up a frp

[MikeM]

In the low cost cat

I like this trade

At firsg sight I like it too, until I saw their contract length, their movable, but with this trade we still have no real big that can handle somehow embiid or other solid bigs. Detroit should give us a FRP tbh

The only big that can handle Embiid was Gasol. We auto double Embiid regardless of who's out there so what does it matter who's playing C.

[StopitLeo]

I agree that Bamba should be the target. We need a C who is young and can rebound, shoot the 3, defend and make FTs. Out of all the Cs on the market, I think he's not only the most attainable but also the best option for the long term outlook of the team.

The downside is we HAVE to take Terrence Ross back. Taking back Gary Harris instead means we have to either add Boucher (who can be used in another trade to address a different hole in the roster) or trade a bunch our depth to equal the difference which is about $7M.

Bamba and Harris work with Dragic, Flynn, Svi, and Bonga. We aren’t losing depth by trading those guys.

[Rapsfan07]

I agree that Bamba should be the target. We need a C who is young and can rebound, shoot the 3, defend and make FTs. Out of all the Cs on the market, I think he's not only the most attainable but also the best option for the long term outlook of the team.

The downside is we HAVE to take Terrence Ross back. Taking back Gary Harris instead means we have to either add Boucher (who can be used in another trade to address a different hole in the roster) or trade a bunch our depth to equal the difference which is about $7M.

Bamba and Harris work with Dragic, Flynn, Svi, and Bonga. We aren’t losing depth by trading those guys.

But why trade all those bodies if we can avoid it? What if there's an injury? Plus we're in need of bench scoring so Ross solves that problem

[PoundTown]

What would Jalen Smith cost raptors? would Chris Boucher & 2023 SRP for Jalen Smith & 2024 FRP(protected) be Fair?

Given that they didn’t pick up his option, I’m thinking a Boucher for smith swap straight up.

Problem with Smith is if you trade for him you can only offer him 4.67M a year. If we really like him, the logical move is to make him a big MLE offer and instead move Boucher and Dragic for a guard making up to 10M next year like an Alec Burks and then we still have the 3.9M BAE to use on a wing or prospect we like.

Thing is I’d like to see smith in a tryout setting for the raps this year before offering him any kind of bojangles, similar to birch last year.

Also, that 3.9 BAE, wouldn’t mind seeing it go to delon wright for guard depth.

[Ell Curry]

Given that they didn’t pick up his option, I’m thinking a Boucher for smith swap straight up.

Problem with Smith is if you trade for him you can only offer him 4.67M a year. If we really like him, the logical move is to make him a big MLE offer and instead move Boucher and Dragic for a guard making up to 10M next year like an Alec Burks and then we still have the 3.9M BAE to use on a wing or prospect we like.

Thing is I’d like to see smith in a tryout setting for the raps this year before offering him any kind of bojangles, similar to birch last year.

Also, that 3.9 BAE, wouldn’t mind seeing it go to delon wright for guard depth.

Right but if he does well and we offer him say 4.67 for 1 year with a player option for the 2nd because that's the best offer we can make, his agent just has to say "Masai offered that" and then they can make the same offer with 7M a year with their MLE or cap space. Detroit, San Antonio and especially OKC could use a big with some potential, and then there's the big list of MLE teams who could use a smallball 5.

[Ell Curry]

I like this trade

At firsg sight I like it too, until I saw their contract length, their movable, but with this trade we still have no real big that can handle somehow embiid or other solid bigs. Detroit should give us a FRP tbh

The only big that can handle Embiid was Gasol. We auto double Embiid regardless of who's out there so what does it matter who's playing C.

Yeah, it matters, but the bigger issue for us is probably not having someone like Kemba out there but instead a guard who can rotate and double effectively.

[Los_29]

What would Jalen Smith cost raptors? would Chris Boucher & 2023 SRP for Jalen Smith & 2024 FRP(protected) be Fair?

Given that they didn’t pick up his option, I’m thinking a Boucher for smith swap straight up.

That would be a massive overpay on our part. Phoenix didn't even pick up his option and he's only in his 2nd year. I'd think a bag of peanuts could get Jalen Smith lol.

[alienchild]

What would Jalen Smith cost raptors? would Chris Boucher & 2023 SRP for Jalen Smith & 2024 FRP(protected) be Fair?

Given that they didn’t pick up his option, I’m thinking a Boucher for smith swap straight up.

That would be a massive overpay on our part. Phoenix didn't even pick up his option and he's only in his 2nd year. I'd think a bag of peanuts could get Jalen Smith lol.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybods67d

Saric gets bought out.

[douggood]

Given that they didn’t pick up his option, I’m thinking a Boucher for smith swap straight up.

That would be a massive overpay on our part. Phoenix didn't even pick up his option and he's only in his 2nd year. I'd think a bag of peanuts could get Jalen Smith lol.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybods67d

Saric gets bought out.

why would saric agree to buy out and why would us the the raptors want to buy him out, he has 9.5 mil salary for next year.

saric is injured for season, why would he want to give up money in his condition. take all the money.

[alienchild]

That would be a massive overpay on our part. Phoenix didn't even pick up his option and he's only in his 2nd year. I'd think a bag of peanuts could get Jalen Smith lol.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybods67d

Saric gets bought out.

why would saric agree to buy out and why would us the the raptors want to buy him out, he has 9.5 mil salary for next year.

saric is injured for season, why would he want to give up money in his condition. take all the money.

If you do the math, even paying him all the balance, is no different than paying out Dragic, except we add pieces. We could waive and stretch next years money. He ends up with all his money and gets to choose where he wants to play next year.

[douggood]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybods67d

Saric gets bought out.

why would saric agree to buy out and why would us the the raptors want to buy him out, he has 9.5 mil salary for next year.

saric is injured for season, why would he want to give up money in his condition. take all the money.

If you do the math, even paying him all the balance, is no different than paying out Dragic, except we add pieces. We could waive and stretch next years money. He ends up with all his money and gets to choose where he wants to play next year.

so you want to release him, not a buyout, there is a difference

[alienchild]

why would saric agree to buy out and why would us the the raptors want to buy him out, he has 9.5 mil salary for next year.

saric is injured for season, why would he want to give up money in his condition. take all the money.

If you do the math, even paying him all the balance, is no different than paying out Dragic, except we add pieces. We could waive and stretch next years money. He ends up with all his money and gets to choose where he wants to play next year.

so you want to release him, not a buyout, there is a difference

Either way, his salary makes the trade work. Buyout or release, basically no diff.

[gerrit4]

The only crazy mega trade I can think of is:

Barnes, Precious, Dragic for Gobert, if the Mitchell Gobert beef is real.

We suddenly have a crazy good starting 5 that is reminiscent of the 2003-2004 Pistons, with dominant defensive players who can score in all five starting positions. We’d still need to fill in the bench with a backup guard (Tj mconnel?) but that’s a dangerous team.

I hate the idea of trading Barnes, and I think that any trade of home probably bites us. But yeesh, that’s a killer team.

[bluerap23]

I like this trade

At firsg sight I like it too, until I saw their contract length, their movable, but with this trade we still have no real big that can handle somehow embiid or other solid bigs. Detroit should give us a FRP tbh

The only big that can handle Embiid was Gasol. We auto double Embiid regardless of who's out there so what does it matter who's playing C.

Well at least we can count on Kelly to dislocate his shoulder. Kidding.

[RapsFanInOhio]

The only crazy mega trade I can think of is:

Barnes, Precious, Dragic for Gobert, if the Mitchell Gobert beef is real.

We suddenly have a crazy good starting 5 that is reminiscent of the 2003-2004 Pistons, with dominant defensive players who can score in all five starting positions. We’d still need to fill in the bench with a backup guard (Tj mconnel?) but that’s a dangerous team.

I hate the idea of trading Barnes, and I think that any trade of home probably bites us. But yeesh, that’s a killer team.

I honestly think Barnes is untouchable.

[Ell Curry]

Man is it easy to get intrigued by Wood when he looks like he cares. If Van Vleet and the other guys' professionalism could turn him into a winning player, he really shoots an easy 3 and runs the floor well. Only one year left so if we parted with a first it would have to be with him basically agreeing to an extension, which I think can only be for 55/3, which he would probably reject out of hand, even if we gave him a player option on the 3rd.

Awful moments on D sometimes but the metrics say he's not good for a center, but not awful.

Also Boucher is giving us 12-7 in 25 minutes consistently now that he's back to a meh 3 pt shooter, and he knows the scheme, so this is probably a non-starter. But if we moved Boucher and Dragic and don't take money back, we could still use the 10M non tax MLE on a guard/wing and stay under the tax.