And Then There Was One: Thank Nation 2. Raps pick 23rd

ruckus · Post #2121 » by **ruckus** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:16 pm

Anyone have any thoughts on Devin Robinson and Hamidou Diallo?

JPUTEDW · Post #2122 » by **JPUTEDW** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:19 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:What is his offensive game like? Does he have the tools to be a stretch 4 with solid D like a Patrick Patterson? Also how did he do against strong competition? I don't think the Raptors need low IQ guys but it depends on whether he can be a potential rotational player.

Few disclaimers first:
I haven't watched NBA for years, and just started casually following the Raptors since you have a few Utah guys. The game has changed. I'm still having a hard time trying to understand exactly what Totonto's offense is supposed to look like, and definitely don't have a good feel for what PPat brings because he seems to struggle whenever I catch a game.

I can say what Kuzma did well/poorly at the college level but have a hard time applying it to what he would do in the NBA and more specifically how he'd fit in in Toronto since I have a poor feel for the offensive system with the current personnel but also especially with the high amount of player turnover that appears to be coming.

At Utah, Larry K's typical team includes a smaller, sharp-shooting guard with tenacious on-ball defense, 3 wings (6'5-6'8), and a center. On defense, the small guard and center are expected to defend/fight through the PNR while the 3 wings switch heavily and are expected to guard the 2-4. Kuzma is athletic and fluid enough to do this, but I think he'd be a terrible matchup for a big, heavy-bodied PF. Fortunately, those seem to be sort of uncommon these days.

On offense, 1-4 are expected to handle the ball and 1-5 are expected to be strong passers. The offense is all passing and motion away from the ball and minimal iso (so not Casey's system). Kuzma did well enough in this system as he is an able enough ball handler and passer. I think he'd do just as well in something that had a little more ISO component because he is a fairly versatile scorer 1on1.

I think on both ends, the Utah scheme requires high IQ players. Delon and Poeltl are the kind of high IQ guys that can make others look smart. Kuzma can sort of handle his own assignments but isn't going to anticipate someone else's breakdown.

So, I don't think I can really say anything useful in regards to NBA potential. I can say that Larry K, with a lineup of JP, FVV, and NP, DW, KK at the wings would dominate the D league

That's basically an ideal roster for what he runs at Utah. Right now, I don't really think DW and JP are great fits for Casey's system. Kuzma is actually probably better suited.

RaptorsLife · Post #2123 » by **RaptorsLife** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:36 pm

Some good players scrimmaging on espn2

LJKO · Post #2124 » by **LJKO** » Fri May 12, 2017 7:46 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
CoachJReturns wrote:
Syd-TK3 wrote:You guys mentioned that Iwundu is a good passer and playmaker.

So if we really are gonna have a high octane offense having another guy not at the pg position that can move the ball and make plays should be just as needed as shooters

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I'd love to see more guys who can actually pass a basketball. That's why I like Rabb more than most. He's not an incredible passer, but he's above average for a big man I think.

Though to be honest, I can't see the offense changing all that much when you have the same core players and same coach DeMar is not a good passer and won't become one. When a game gets tight he reverts to what he knows like everyone else. Casey has no idea how to coach offense and relies on whoever the new assistant is for the year.

Radical changes would have to be made to become a high octane offense, whatever that is.

First of all, I love draft talk every year. Enjoyable to hear different opinions.

Secondly - what position do you think we need? Even if Lowry goes, we will still be ok at PG. SG is good. SF I think we need star potential. PF we need when Ibaka walks. C we might be ok. If that's the situation then we're looking at PF/SF, is that your thinking? A PF/SF who can stretch the 4 and play some defense?

The past 4 years everyone keep mentioning we lack PF and we are close we need a PF; we drafted Siakiam and Poeltl whom we drafted with the 9th pick why hasn't he been given more playing time to develop into PF/C? Also he's our best rebounder which we lack. Anyways ibaka was not needed or millsap that most of this board wants instead; what we never needed was PF and what we always needed is SF

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #2125 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:10 pm

Frank Jackson just put up a 42'' vertical. Yeah, he's going to rise up the draft. If he's there when the Raps pick, I'd draft him.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #2126 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:36 pm

CoachJReturns wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:Sindarius.

He has a very similar profile to Norm, not that that's a bad thing. Just wouldn't be any room for him on this team.

Not that I want Demar gone but if they decided to sell high on him I would take Thornwell in a heartbeat. Anyway BPA no matter what.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #2127 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:39 pm

JPUTEDW wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:What is his offensive game like? Does he have the tools to be a stretch 4 with solid D like a Patrick Patterson? Also how did he do against strong competition? I don't think the Raptors need low IQ guys but it depends on whether he can be a potential rotational player.

Few disclaimers first:
I haven't watched NBA for years, and just started casually following the Raptors since you have a few Utah guys. The game has changed. I'm still having a hard time trying to understand exactly what Totonto's offense is supposed to look like, and definitely don't have a good feel for what PPat brings because he seems to struggle whenever I catch a game.

I can say what Kuzma did well/poorly at the college level but have a hard time applying it to what he would do in the NBA and more specifically how he'd fit in in Toronto since I have a poor feel for the offensive system with the current personnel but also especially with the high amount of player turnover that appears to be coming.

At Utah, Larry K's typical team includes a smaller, sharp-shooting guard with tenacious on-ball defense, 3 wings (6'5-6'8), and a center. On defense, the small guard and center are expected to defend/fight through the PNR while the 3 wings switch heavily and are expected to guard the 2-4. Kuzma is athletic and fluid enough to do this, but I think he'd be a terrible matchup for a big, heavy-bodied PF. Fortunately, those seem to be sort of uncommon these days.

On offense, 1-4 are expected to handle the ball and 1-5 are expected to be strong passers. The offense is all passing and motion away from the ball and minimal iso (so not Casey's system). Kuzma did well enough in this system as he is an able enough ball handler and passer. I think he'd do just as well in something that had a little more ISO component because he is a fairly versatile scorer 1on1.

I think on both ends, the Utah scheme requires high IQ players. Delon and Poeltl are the kind of high IQ guys that can make others look smart. Kuzma can sort of handle his own assignments but isn't going to anticipate someone else's breakdown.

So, I don't think I can really say anything useful in regards to NBA potential. I can say that Larry K, with a lineup of JP, FVV, and NP, DW, KK at the wings would dominate the D league That's basically an ideal roster for what he runs at Utah. Right now, I don't really think DW and JP are great fits for Casey's system. Kuzma is actually probably better suited.

What system do you mean the over dribbling 5 point guard line-up? Oh that system!

OAKLEY_2 · Post #2128 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Fri May 12, 2017 8:41 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
JPUTEDW wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:What is his offensive game like? Does he have the tools to be a stretch 4 with solid D like a Patrick Patterson? Also how did he do against strong competition? I don't think the Raptors need low IQ guys but it depends on whether he can be a potential rotational player.

Few disclaimers first:
I haven't watched NBA for years, and just started casually following the Raptors since you have a few Utah guys. The game has changed. I'm still having a hard time trying to understand exactly what Totonto's offense is supposed to look like, and definitely don't have a good feel for what PPat brings because he seems to struggle whenever I catch a game.

I can say what Kuzma did well/poorly at the college level but have a hard time applying it to what he would do in the NBA and more specifically how he'd fit in in Toronto since I have a poor feel for the offensive system with the current personnel but also especially with the high amount of player turnover that appears to be coming.

At Utah, Larry K's typical team includes a smaller, sharp-shooting guard with tenacious on-ball defense, 3 wings (6'5-6'8), and a center. On defense, the small guard and center are expected to defend/fight through the PNR while the 3 wings switch heavily and are expected to guard the 2-4. Kuzma is athletic and fluid enough to do this, but I think he'd be a terrible matchup for a big, heavy-bodied PF. Fortunately, those seem to be sort of uncommon these days.

On offense, 1-4 are expected to handle the ball and 1-5 are expected to be strong passers. The offense is all passing and motion away from the ball and minimal iso (so not Casey's system). Kuzma did well enough in this system as he is an able enough ball handler and passer. I think he'd do just as well in something that had a little more ISO component because he is a fairly versatile scorer 1on1.

I think on both ends, the Utah scheme requires high IQ players. Delon and Poeltl are the kind of high IQ guys that can make others look smart. Kuzma can sort of handle his own assignments but isn't going to anticipate someone else's breakdown.

So, I don't think I can really say anything useful in regards to NBA potential. I can say that Larry K, with a lineup of JP, FVV, and NP, DW, KK at the wings would dominate the D league That's basically an ideal roster for what he runs at Utah. Right now, I don't really think DW and JP are great fits for Casey's system. Kuzma is actually probably better suited.

What system do you mean the over dribbling 5 point guard line-up? Oh that system!

Let's hire Larry K.

RaptorsLife · Post #2129 » by **RaptorsLife** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:01 pm

Rick carsile talking to masai ujiri at combinr. Probley telling him to keep casey lol

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #2130 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:01 pm

Just saw Masai chatting with Rick Carlisle at the combine.

JPUTEDW · Post #2131 » by **JPUTEDW** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:12 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:What system do you mean the over dribbling 5 point guard line-up? Oh that system!

New guy here trying to be tactful, but yeah. I mean it works when guys are hitting 3s or when DD is getting shots/whistles, but when it doesn't work it's painful to behold.

I guess I wonder whether the point of this draft is to get a guy who helps now or to get the BPA and continue stockpiling tradeable assets until someone with a more defined vision of what they want to do takes the reins from Casey.

I think Kuz is sort of a low-ish bust potential guy who could find some meaningful backup minutes with this team at the 4 when other teams go small. Improved 3PT shooting could make him a marginal starter down the road.

I don't see the value at 23, but if Toronto traded down (like to help unload DC's contract) it seems like Kuz would fill a need as a pretty versatile SF/PF hybrid.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #2132 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:41 pm

JPUTEDW wrote:
OAKLEY_2 wrote:What system do you mean the over dribbling 5 point guard line-up? Oh that system!

New guy here trying to be tactful, but yeah. I mean it works when guys are hitting 3s or when DD is getting shots/whistles, but when it doesn't work it's painful to behold.

I guess I wonder whether the point of this draft is to get a guy who helps now or to get the BPA and continue stockpiling tradeable assets until someone with a more defined vision of what they want to do takes the reins from Casey.

I think Kuz is sort of a low-ish bust potential guy who could find some meaningful backup minutes with this team at the 4 when other teams go small. Improved 3PT shooting could make him a marginal starter down the road.

I don't see the value at 23, but if Toronto traded down (like to help unload DC's contract) it seems like Kuz would fill a need as a pretty versatile SF/PF hybrid.

So far considering Casey is tough on newbies the Ute prospects if nothing else know how to play and do not get embarrassed. Coach Larry K has done a fantastic job with Poetl and Wright and there was one game this year where the Raps were down by 20 and the Utes and Norm led a big comeback. They are clearly NBA calibre players already in a very short time. Kuzma would be great to add to this group. So would adding Larry K.

HeadtopChunes · Post #2133 » by **HeadtopChunes** » Fri May 12, 2017 9:52 pm

Iwundu is doing pretty well on spot up shooting today

BoyzNTheHood · Post #2134 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:11 am

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MavCarter · Post #2135 » by **MavCarter** » Sat May 13, 2017 1:24 am

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Tortiglioni · Post #2136 » by **Tortiglioni** » Sat May 13, 2017 2:56 am

Watson will be all over Derrick White.

WeTheNorth123 · Post #2137 » by **WeTheNorth123** » Sat May 13, 2017 3:03 am

Justin Jackson (Maryland) is the guy you take...no question

no we need a strong lengthy SF who can shoot open shoots....justin jackoson is the only player that fits that mold and being a canadian is cherry on top

UneducatedFan86 · Post #2138 » by **UneducatedFan86** » Sat May 13, 2017 3:16 am

One of the better drafts in years... you do everything you can to get another pick in the top 30 and even a 2nd rounder for anyone who might fall.

WeTheNorth123 · Post #2139 » by **WeTheNorth123** » Sat May 13, 2017 3:26 am

UneducatedFan86 wrote:One of the better drafts in years... you do everything you can to get another pick in the top 30 and even a 2nd rounder for anyone who might fall.

I gotta agree..there are some potential sleepers in late 1st early 2nd round.....wish we still had that orlando pick!

PhilBlackson · Post #2140 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat May 13, 2017 3:28 am

WeTheNorth123 wrote:Justin Jackson (Maryland) is the guy you take...no question

no we need a strong lengthy SF who can shoot open shoots....justin jackoson is the only player that fits that mold and being a canadian is cherry on top

I would actually say Jonah Bolden more so and why say that is a Bolden is just a little bit taller but he is also a little more ATHLETIC, QUICK and every inch counts (that's what she said - people still say that?). But seriously this pick as we know isn't to combat LeBron....it's for the young beasts that are developing right here in our backyard - the Eastern Conference.

Everyone blabs about how we the East is supposedly weak but right now while everyone is saying Anthony Davis and maybe KAT got next....don't look now because Giannis, Porz & Simmons are right there and I think given their greater SPEED in a league becoming more & more about that (and of course shooting) I think the East is actually primed to have the actual next big thing because unlike KAT or AD, Giannis and Simmons will have the ball in their hands...sorry for the sidebar but all that is to say is those are the beasts we have to contend with moving forward and who you pick better be able to match up with them as best as you possibly can and imo physically Bolden is the closest thing athletically, speed wise and physically as we can get and he is developing very well in all those areas. But maybe I'm wrong we'll have to see more of him as well but from footage I've seen a both, that really stood out to me as a noticeable difference.

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