Tank World Order

[MixxSRC]

Only championships counts as shots then? I guess the Raptors are 1 for 25.

Take a chance at drafting a star in lottery.

Chance? Isn't guaranteed. If the team keeps playing how do they acquire a top 5 pick ?


Wake up

What are they guaranteed now? Wake up

[720]

Only championships counts as shots then? I guess the Raptors are 1 for 25.

No, simply having a top 10-15 player and having a legitimate shot at winning is all we ask for.

Clearly the word tank should not be used.

Come out and state we prefer to lose to possibly draft a top 10 player


You realize Bobby and masai draft board is completely different than most- with that being said their top 10 and your idea of top 10 can be different.


You'd be happy with JV or Derozan instead if building this team and culture of playing hard, never giving up, winning and playing disruptive defense?


You want a bunch of beals on the raps bench with their face in palm?


In a pandemic especially, a lot of people are going thru stuff and this is entertainment and an outlet to provide a bit of break from the every day life.


Do you always quit when someone steam rolls you in NBA 2k ?

Get over the word tank bro. No one wants to lose for 10 years. We want a retool. We're a young team. We have all our core guys locked up for 4-5 years. Now is the best time to get a high draft pick. Instead we keep winning because of guys we HAVEN'T locked up (Lowry and Norman).

[Raptaz]

Only championships counts as shots then? I guess the Raptors are 1 for 25.

Take a chance at drafting a star in lottery.

Would it not be nice to draft a Duncan and have 15 years of security? A Dirk and have 10 years of contending? etc, etc.

Getting a superstar and just a competent front office does wonders for a franchise.

What guarantee is their it be a tim Duncan instead of Greg oden?


And spurs already had Robinson before he was injured for the year and the team ended up being bad.


Not relevant at all.

[MixxSRC]

Take a chance at drafting a star in lottery.

Would it not be nice to draft a Duncan and have 15 years of security? A Dirk and have 10 years of contending? etc, etc.

Getting a superstar and just a competent front office does wonders for a franchise.

What guarantee is their it be a tim Duncan instead of Greg oden?


And spurs already had Robinson before he was injured for the year and the team ended up being bad.


Not relevant at all.

Pop literally fired the coach and started coaching the team while also being a gm and they told Robinson not to comeback from injury

[Raptaz]

No, simply having a top 10-15 player and having a legitimate shot at winning is all we ask for.

Clearly the word tank should not be used.

Come out and state we prefer to lose to possibly draft a top 10 player


You realize Bobby and masai draft board is completely different than most- with that being said their top 10 and your idea of top 10 can be different.


You'd be happy with JV or Derozan instead if building this team and culture of playing hard, never giving up, winning and playing disruptive defense?


You want a bunch of beals on the raps bench with their face in palm?


In a pandemic especially, a lot of people are going thru stuff and this is entertainment and an outlet to provide a bit of break from the every day life.


Do you always quit when someone steam rolls you in NBA 2k ?

Get over the word tank bro. No one wants to lose for 10 years. We want a retool. We're a young team. We have all our core guys locked up for 4-5 years. Now is the best time to get a high draft pick. Instead we keep winning because of guys we HAVEN'T locked up (Lowry and Norman).

Everything you are saying is based on assumptions;

No one wants to lose for 10 years? Raptors been wining for 7 years- where is your imperical evidence the raptors will lose for 10 years straight ?

Top 10 pick ? How is this even guaranteed ?

Raptors aren't able to acquire a top 10 pick?



There are many alternatives to losing

The raptors are 10-12 man . Wake-up

Boston is 12-9 that's two more wins , considering all the close games the raptors have lost.


How are yall this blind

[Raptaz]

Would it not be nice to draft a Duncan and have 15 years of security? A Dirk and have 10 years of contending? etc, etc.

Getting a superstar and just a competent front office does wonders for a franchise.

What guarantee is their it be a tim Duncan instead of Greg oden?


And spurs already had Robinson before he was injured for the year and the team ended up being bad.


Not relevant at all.

Pop literally fired the coach and started coaching the team while also being a gm and they told Robinson not to comeback from injury

Ok who on the raps have a significant injury to even consider this ???

[720]

Clearly the word tank should not be used.

Come out and state we prefer to lose to possibly draft a top 10 player


You realize Bobby and masai draft board is completely different than most- with that being said their top 10 and your idea of top 10 can be different.


You'd be happy with JV or Derozan instead if building this team and culture of playing hard, never giving up, winning and playing disruptive defense?


You want a bunch of beals on the raps bench with their face in palm?


In a pandemic especially, a lot of people are going thru stuff and this is entertainment and an outlet to provide a bit of break from the every day life.


Do you always quit when someone steam rolls you in NBA 2k ?

Get over the word tank bro. No one wants to lose for 10 years. We want a retool. We're a young team. We have all our core guys locked up for 4-5 years. Now is the best time to get a high draft pick. Instead we keep winning because of guys we HAVEN'T locked up (Lowry and Norman).

Everything you are saying is based on assumptions;

No one wants to lose for 10 years? Raptors been wining for 7 years- where is your imperical evidence the raptors will lose for 10 years straight ?

Top 10 pick ? How is this even guaranteed ?

Raptors aren't able to acquire a top 10 pick?



There are many alternatives to losing

The raptors are 10-12 man . Wake-up

Boston is 12-9 that's two more wins , considering all the close games the raptors have lost.


How are yall this blind

No, I'm saying tWo doesn't want to lose for 10 years. There is this assumption that we want to scrap our whole team and lose for years like the sixers. That's not what we want.

Yeah bro, we're 10-12. Mediocre. Only two wins vs teams with winning records and both times the teams were missing stars.

We're not the Celtics. They have two guys in the early 20s averaging 28 points a game.

[MixxSRC]

What guarantee is their it be a tim Duncan instead of Greg oden?


And spurs already had Robinson before he was injured for the year and the team ended up being bad.


Not relevant at all.

Pop literally fired the coach and started coaching the team while also being a gm and they told Robinson not to comeback from injury

Ok who on the raps have a significant injury to even consider this ???

Doesn't matter. They did what they could to not win too many games. Raptors also have a choice.

And relax. It's obvious this team is not tanking. Management didn't make any moves.

So you can be happy with this mediocre roster

[720]

Pop literally fired the coach and started coaching the team while also being a gm and they told Robinson not to comeback from injury

Ok who on the raps have a significant injury to even consider this ???

Doesn't matter. They did what they could to not win too many games. Raptors also have a choice.

And relax. It's obvious this team is not tanking. Management didn't make any moves.

So you can be happy with this mediocre roster

Masai is going against what he promised he would never do (be stuck in no mans land). We'll see what he does with Norman and Lowry. At this point you just got to hope he re-signs them because if he doesn't we're just wasting this season.

[Chandan]

meh I've only watched like five games this season. This roster don't interest me at all because they are simply not a threat in the grand scheme of things.

the raptors need to bring in better toys to keep me entertained.

[B-Ball Freak]

Wins in regular season are not shots. lol What you think these RS wins matter?

Only championships counts as shots then? I guess the Raptors are 1 for 25.

No, simply having a top 10-15 player and having a legitimate shot at winning is all we ask for.

But that'll happen when the team is actually bad, it's obvious they aren't that bad yet unless you blow it all up right now but that would be an impulse move. Masai isn't the type of GM that acts on impulse, him and his team made some mistakes this offseason but I'm still confident in them making the right moves in due time...I'm in no rush to go back the 50+ losses days.

[B-Ball Freak]

Would it not be nice to draft a Duncan and have 15 years of security? A Dirk and have 10 years of contending? etc, etc.

Getting a superstar and just a competent front office does wonders for a franchise.

We already have one of those things, it's better than a competent one we have an elite front office actually, but yeah it would be nice to have HOF top 20 player of all time...too bad those guys don't come around too often.

[Skeezo]

Lopsided? Your counterargument here is absurd. Of course Masai can't get the exact same amount for Baynes as he got for Vasquez. The point is that you can trade a player for picks whether you're trying to win or trying to lose. You don't have to be in a "mode" to do so.

You cherry picked a Top 3 trade in Raptors history that netted us two current rotational players as a means for why we should just maintain the status quo, as if those types of deals regularly materialize. Sorry, but how is that not absurd from the jump? Of course you can trade a player for picks at anytime, IF you have players that are WORTH picks and they aren't essential to your direction going forward... Lowry and Powell in this moment are worth picks, and are unlikely to be with us past this year.

I've already said it matters to me. Maybe Kyle wants out. That's totally fine, too.

First, you said it was not about your perspective but Kyle's, but now it is, because it matters to you... Again, the only people that REALLY matter in this scenario, is Ownership & Masai's outlook for the team and Kyle... Lowry is under contract without a "No-Trade" clause, period. When summer comes and Lowry is a free-agent, than it is ALL what Kyle wants again.

However you want to believe that situation, you got the basics dead wrong. He left. Miami got nothing. They were on bad terms. Miami took "charge of the franchise" by handing out bad contracts to Whiteside, Dragic, James Johnson, Dion Waiters instead. And it took Wade's agent ****ing dying for them to mend fences. I wouldn't use that example, personally.

First, the Wade fiasco happened in 2014... Whiteside contract wasn't until 2016 and was a perennial double-double player the entire contract... Both Waiters/Johnson deals, weren't until 2017, and are a cautionary tale for signing players to BIG deals who give you inflated stats on a non-playoff team the season prior. Second, the quality of the moves that took place after are besides the point. The fact remains, the Heat chose wanting financial flexibility (their direction) instead of overpaying Wade and being dictated to on a player's terms is the point. Moreover, even when there is "bad blood," history shows they almost ALWAYS make-up, especially when one's legacy or best years are tied to an organization or one another... (ie.. VC, DD, Shaq/Kobe, Pierce, Wade, Iverson, etc.)

Well, to be honest I would hope that Powell is cheaper than what I said, but if he's scoring 20 or even "18" as a starter the Raptors can use him. The cheaper the better, I guess. Also, I'm not sure why I'm being held to the standard of 2017-18 next season Is trading Lowry and Norm right now going to get us there? I would expect them to be good with Pascal-OG-Norm-Fred next year. And then rely on the FO to fill out the roster cheaply and still remain committed to internal development that has resulted in good players like Norm, Fred, Siakam, OG, Delon, TD (last year), Boucher (this year).

I agree and also stated, if we can get Powell re-signed for T.Ross type money (13m-14m), I would consider keeping him around. However, at 20m per year, I don't see Powell as a trade asset... Moreover, it locks the Raptors roster into 100m on Siakim, FVV,OG, and Powell. Personally, I don't think that is a very good allocation of funds, but you are free to think differently

Hard to believe, but sometimes you get something and sometimes you get nothing and the results are still the same. Amir, nothing. 2Pat, nothing. PJ Tucker, nothing. Lou Will, nothing. Kawhi, nothing. Danny Green, nothing. In each of the following seasons the Raptors didn't get demonstrably worse.

Look there is nothing we could do about losing Leonard/Green for nothing... We took a risk, we won, I'm happy about it, no complaints with regards to losing them... However, we did go from a championship to a second-round loss... How is that not demonstrably worse?

The rest of the players you mentioned are for the most part all bench players who weren't worth 1st Round picks and can be got for below MLE level contracts...
• A.Johnson was replaced by L.Scola.
• 2Pat was a 7 point 4 Reb per game player and we had drafted both Poeltl (#9) and Siakim (#27) the year prior to him leaving.
• PJ Tucker, we legitimately wanted to re-sign and tried to overpay for... Tough to trade a player for assets when you want him back. We then lucked out by having OG drop to us in the draft and outperform his rookie season, and the emergence of Powell allowed us to trade Ross to get Ibaka, and that is why we got better the following year.
•"Lemon-Pepper" Lou... Also wanted to come back, but Masai didn't want his "unique" character around the team... Seeing that everywhere Lou has gone, he has not only been underpaid for his level of stats he provides, but he also hasn't won, highlight that character flaw... Also letting Lou walk, allowed Masai the financial flexibility to sign Joseph, Carroll, and Scola, (not that the Carroll move worked out for us, and actually ended up costing us a pick).

[rocky_da_best]

How are yall this blind

Trolls. Put him on ignore and stop responding. Best thing we can do. At this point tankers should be banned from GT/PG and just be kept here. Everyone else should stop posting here including you and I to give them their space.

[rocky_da_best]

Only championships counts as shots then? I guess the Raptors are 1 for 25.

No, simply having a top 10-15 player and having a legitimate shot at winning is all we ask for.

But that'll happen when the team is actually bad, it's obvious they aren't that bad yet unless you blow it all up right now but that would be an impulse move. Masai isn't the type of GM that acts on impulse, him and his team made some mistakes this offseason but I'm still confident in them making the right moves in due time...I'm in no rush to go back the 50+ losses days.

Dude inherited a POS team when he tookover and even then didn't tank lol

[Caped Crusader]

You happy with just making playoffs. Im not exactly excited with just making playoffs.

Yeah true, it's not as exciting as missing the playoffs. We should hope for the team to miss the playoffs instead and get stuck as a perpetual bottom feeder for many years to come because that's a proven formula which has shown to have a high success rate.

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You decided to believe that those are two options. Your problem

Actually you're the one that decided that with your championship or bust mentality.

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[B-Ball Freak]

No, simply having a top 10-15 player and having a legitimate shot at winning is all we ask for.

But that'll happen when the team is actually bad, it's obvious they aren't that bad yet unless you blow it all up right now but that would be an impulse move. Masai isn't the type of GM that acts on impulse, him and his team made some mistakes this offseason but I'm still confident in them making the right moves in due time...I'm in no rush to go back the 50+ losses days.

Dude inherited a POS team when he tookover and even then didn't tank lol

The grass is always greener...they'll get their wish when Masai eventually leaves or falls off and were stuck with a mediocre or a bad GM. They don't understand that right now we have an executive equivalent to a Kawhi level player, a franchise changing executive. He's not without his flaws but all in all he's an elite decision maker that 95% of teams in the league would kill to have, he's earned my trust after 7 straight winning seasons and delivered a championship we all thought was just a pipe dream before he came along.

[rocky_da_best]

But that'll happen when the team is actually bad, it's obvious they aren't that bad yet unless you blow it all up right now but that would be an impulse move. Masai isn't the type of GM that acts on impulse, him and his team made some mistakes this offseason but I'm still confident in them making the right moves in due time...I'm in no rush to go back the 50+ losses days.

Dude inherited a POS team when he tookover and even then didn't tank lol

The grass is always greener...they'll get their wish when Masai eventually leaves or falls off and were stuck with a mediocre or a bad GM. They don't understand that right now we have an executive equivalent to a Kawhi level player, a franchise changing executive. He's not without his flaws but all in all he's an elite decision maker that 95% of teams in the league would kill to have, he's earned my trust after 7 straight winning seasons and delivered a championship we all thought was just a pipe dream before he came along.

Yep. And they want our Kawhi level exec to pull a rookie GM tactic in his final year of a contract with us lol

[MixxSRC]

Yeah true, it's not as exciting as missing the playoffs. We should hope for the team to miss the playoffs instead and get stuck as a perpetual bottom feeder for many years to come because that's a proven formula which has shown to have a high success rate.

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You decided to believe that those are two options. Your problem

Actually you're the one that decided that with your championship or bust mentality.

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Actually I'm not planning on Raptors being perpetual bottom feeder. Like you called.

And what is this proven formula that have success rate?

[720]

Would it not be nice to draft a Duncan and have 15 years of security? A Dirk and have 10 years of contending? etc, etc.

Getting a superstar and just a competent front office does wonders for a franchise.

We already have one of those things, it's better than a competent one we have an elite front office actually, but yeah it would be nice to have HOF top 20 player of all time...too bad those guys don't come around too often.

They come around in the draft. Or through free agency.