PG: Boardnani

[Coach Smiley]

Ed Davis

[Young_Buc]

We have no slashers that can initiate plays or shift the defense. We don't have anyone who can consistently get to the FT line.

Really? I'm pretty sure I saw both Derozan & Bayless shift the defense & get to the FT line at will late last season.

We're not utilizing their talents because Jose is running the point & Bargnani is being used as the #1 offesive option. This needs to change.

Bingo. I don't know why we're in the twilight zone here and people don't see this.

[Undefeated]

Everyone has failed to mention this and just put the blame purely on Bayless' supposed lack of vision. When he was driving to the basket, I don't recall a single instance any of his teammates tried cutting in or making a back door cut. They all stood on the perimeter watching him drive it to the hoop.

Exactly. I guess I wasn't the only one seeing this. There were some terrible decisions where Bayless decided to force the drive no doubt, but he was hacked on a lot of his takes he made and was robbed of a few calls.

[dagger]

We have no slashers that can initiate plays or shift the defense. We don't have anyone who can consistently get to the FT line.

Really? I'm pretty sure I saw both Derozan & Bayless shift the defense & get to the FT line at will late last season.

We're not utilizing their talents because Jose is running the point & Bargnani is being used as the #1 offesive option. This needs to change.

There was nothing stopping anyone today from scoring. It's not like Bargnani took 25 shots so let's not focus on scapegoats. Bayless wasn't getting any calls, but he was certainly putting himself in position to get call. DD was a little too passive in stretches.

[MEDIC]

Bayless' turnovers were a result of attacking the paint, so what's the problem?

Yup. When you have a slashing/ offensive oriented PG, turnovers happen. Everyone drools over the thought of adding Westbrook. He lead all guards in Turnovers last season.

Then John Wall, Deorn Williams, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo & Derrick Rose followed him.

When you have an offensive oriented PG that penetrates, turnovers are going to happen.

People here have been lulled to sleep by Calderon handling the ball "safely".

[highness]

We have no slashers that can initiate plays or shift the defense. We don't have anyone who can consistently get to the FT line.

Really? I'm pretty sure I saw both Derozan & Bayless shift the defense & get to the FT line at will late last season.

We're not utilizing their talents because Jose is running the point & Bargnani is being used as the #1 offesive option. This needs to change.

There was nothing stopping anyone today from scoring. It's not like Bargnani took 25 shots so let's not focus on scapegoats. Bayless wasn't getting any calls, but he was certainly putting himself in position to get call. DD was a little too passive in stretches.

The thing is you can't just give the ball to DD and let him do his thing. He's not that type of player. He's an off the ball player kinda like Durant. They need to run more plays with DeMar coming off screens or slashing to the basket. Hopefully they'll implement more of those plays during the season.

[T_Biggums]

Can we please stop talking about these mediocre ball players? PLEASE no more talk of what Bargnani can do, Bayless, Amir, Jose... We have a **** little team guys lets start there and maybe then we can have some decent conversation.

Anyone who thinks the players I mentioned have any of playing on a winning team(not even a contending team) you have got to get your head checked. We have the most mediocre talent in the NBA WTF is Aaron Gray doing in a Raptor uni? and Butler? who the hell is Forbes??? D-League talent all over the court... The only guys that are retainable are DeRozan and Davis anyone else just confirms we are the NBA's laughing stalk.... Seriously guys lets be real here.

[Kabookalu]

Bayless' turnovers were a result of attacking the paint, so what's the problem?

Yup. When you have a slashing/ offensive oriented PG, turnovers happen. Everyone drools over the thought of adding Westbrook. He lead all guards in Turnovers last season.

Then John Wall, Deorn Williams, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo & Derrick Rose followed him.

When you have an offensive oriented PG that penetrates, turnovers are going to happen.

People here have been lulled to sleep by Calderon handling the ball "safely".

This board has gotten accustomed to Calderon's pansy brand of point guard play. Even Magi Johnson was averaging 3 or 4 turnovers a game.

[timdunkit]

Bayless needs to start with DD ... I think Jose/Barbosa would work better. Barbosa and Bayless just doesn't work.

[MEDIC]

There was nothing stopping anyone today from scoring. It's not like Bargnani took 25 shots so let's not focus on scapegoats.

I'm not talking about "today". I'm talking about all of last season.

[KG1585]

Bayless' turnovers were a result of attacking the paint, so what's the problem?

Yup. When you have a slashing/ offensive oriented PG, turnovers happen. Everyone drools over the thought of adding Westbrook. He lead all guards in Turnovers last season.

Then John Wall, Deorn Williams, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo & Derrick Rose followed him.

When you have an offensive oriented PG that penetrates, turnovers are going to happen.

People here have been lulled to sleep by Calderon handling the ball "safely".

This board has gotten accustomed to Calderon's pansy brand of point guard play. Even Magi Johnson was averaging 3 or 4 turnovers a game.

Turnovers was the difference between the two teams today. Bayless had 4 turnovers and 3 assists. That is terrible no matter what excuse you guys make for him.

[LLJ]

We have the most mediocre talent in the NBA WTF is Aaron Gray doing in a Raptor uni? and Butler? who the hell is Forbes??? D-League talent all over the court... The only guys that are retainable are DeRozan and Davis anyone else just confirms we are the NBA's laughing stalk.... Seriously guys lets be real here.

While I agree with the general thrust of your argument, I have to say that the "WTF are Gray and Forbes doing on this team" stuff is actually representative of every team. Every team in the NBA has a bunch of no-name scrubs on the end of the bench. Yes, these guys shouldn't be your core or starters--well, I don't think they'll be major players on this team either.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Bayless needs to start with DD ... I think Jose/Barbosa would work better. Barbosa and Bayless just doesn't work.

I always felt that Jerryd/DeMar/JJ had a good dynamic going when they shared the floor last year. Personally I hope Barbosa is moved soon, I don't see him as any kind of longterm piece for our team and we have a good opportunity to cash in on his value now before he expires.

[Undefeated]

Bayless' turnovers were a result of attacking the paint, so what's the problem? It's not like he's dribbling off his foot or passing it into the stands wasting possessions.

Actually, he had a couple of those. Attack the paint, by all means, but that's better done with options, like having a credible pullup floater or a little drive and kick on the defenders' minds. He has to calm down and understand he's not a SG.

What? Bayless only had three possessions where the ball was stolen off him because of trying to find the cutter. The other one was a travel. Come on now, those aren't possessions being wasted for being stupid.

[Coach Smiley]

gotta give some props to the fans at the ACC today, all the preseason games I've watched so far have been empty arenas, good turnout today

[KG1585]

Bayless' turnovers were a result of attacking the paint, so what's the problem?

Yup. When you have a slashing/ offensive oriented PG, turnovers happen. Everyone drools over the thought of adding Westbrook. He lead all guards in Turnovers last season.

Then John Wall, Deorn Williams, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo & Derrick Rose followed him.

When you have an offensive oriented PG that penetrates, turnovers are going to happen.

People here have been lulled to sleep by Calderon handling the ball "safely".

Yes, those guys have turnovers. But those guys are on another planet compared to Bayless. So you live with those turnovers.

[Kabookalu]

Turnovers was the difference between the two teams today. Bayless had 4 turnovers and 3 assists. That is terrible no matter what excuse you guys make for him.

Like I've said he had a bad game today. I'm talking about in the past season when he was averaging 7apg.

[MEDIC]

Bayless needs to start with DD ... I think Jose/Barbosa would work better. Barbosa and Bayless just doesn't work.

Yup. I've been saying this for a while now.

The Calederon/ DD pairing is terrible. DD gets underutilized.

Bayless/ Barbosa are too similar.

Barbosa would be a good offset to Calderon's "safe", non-penetrating game.

If Bayless had started & played over 30mpg, we would have won this game.

[T_Biggums]

We have the most mediocre talent in the NBA WTF is Aaron Gray doing in a Raptor uni? and Butler? who the hell is Forbes??? D-League talent all over the court... The only guys that are retainable are DeRozan and Davis anyone else just confirms we are the NBA's laughing stalk.... Seriously guys lets be real here.

While I agree with the general thrust of your argument, I have to say that the "WTF are Gray and Forbes doing on this team" stuff is actually representative of every team. Every team in the NBA has a bunch of no-name scrubs on the end of the bench. Yes, these guys shouldn't be your core or starters--well, I don't think they'll be major players on this team either.

I understand that but come on our front end talent is just as putrid as are backend... we have a bunch of bench players who would be 8-11 on most NBA teams depth chart.

I can't believe Calderon has lasted this long in the league.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrfKXpZbWeI[/youtube] Look at this??? how is he still in the NBA How is he still on the Raptors? How is he making 9M?

Bargnani.... we're waiting for him to reach his potential? WHY??? He has the potential to be the worst rebounding and defending big man in the history of the game!

James Johnson? we gave up a draft pick for this guy? good lord...

The only saving grace is we're finally not going for 9th, it looks like we definitely have bottom 5 talent on this team. No tank necessary we have the pieces in place now to finish in the right spot.

[KG1585]

Bayless needs to start with DD ... I think Jose/Barbosa would work better. Barbosa and Bayless just doesn't work.

Yup. I've been saying this for a while now.

The Calederon/ DD pairing is terrible. DD gets underutilized.

Bayless/ Barbosa are too similar.

Barbosa would be a good offset to Calderon's "safe", non-penetrating game.

If Bayless had started & played over 30mpg, we would have won this game.

The Raptors were not going to win this game, no matter who played. Only reason the game got close, was Boston pulled all its starters with 5 mins to go. When there starters were in the game, they dominated.