ESPN: Teams inquiring about Bargnani, Calderon

[DreamTeam09]

Anthony Davis is not going for 20ppg anywhere. Not at KU not in the NBA maybe in HS but thats about it. His game right now will not get 20ppg.

[Indeed]

Donatas Motiejunas?

He's inexplicably become a good rebounder too. There's probably a package of him + NY pick there lol.

His defense is the problem, can he stay on the floor?
I wouldn't bank too much on him, project him as a backup PF/C for now, and value his background with Kleiza and Jonas.

[ImissJordan]

I'd rather have prime Jordan [thanks for the obvious].
The question is, would Williams sign in Toronto, and how would his contract gonna affect us.

It is hard to find the 1st option, it is harder to find the 2nd option that does not demand for 1st option money.

No, my point was that Bargnani may not be a great fit with our "youth movement", which is why he countered by saying that Deron is even older than Andrea (which obviously isn't even worth refuting, being that Deron is a much better player than Bargnani in the first place).

[ImissJordan]

It is not just about scoring, it is about where he scores. If both needs to occupy the paint, then it will be hard for others to score.

And I don't see how easy we are upgrading Calderon, Bayless, Barbosa, DeRozan, Weems, Forbes, and etc.

Davis operates mostly around the hoop for Kentucky, but have you SEEN highlights of this guy in high school? He has legitimate range on his J and can get it off as a trailer/spot-up shooter or even just pulling up in iso situations. He was a guard before a late growth spurt and has nice handles and creativity for a big.

He has FAR more talent on that end of the floor than he (or Calipari) have been willing to show at Kentucky.

And as it is, DeRozan is a threat to go off for 20, Barbosa, Calderon and Bayless are too...besides, we wouldn't be looking at a finished product. We could upgrade those backcourt spots as we go.

[Truthrising]

Maybe people here should stop talking about a player like AD until we find out who will win the draft and I can see New Orleans most likely winning the draft anyways given the fact they lost CP3 and that team definatetly needs a player to fill the void.

[Pseudonym]

Donatas Motiejunas?

He's inexplicably become a good rebounder too. There's probably a package of him + NY pick there lol.

His defense is the problem, can he stay on the floor?
I wouldn't bank too much on him, project him as a backup PF/C for now, and value his background with Kleiza and Jonas.

Oh yeah, I'm just throwing it out there.

For the record, I don't think that we should move Bargnani until the draft. But right now you've gotta be listening carefully to any offers put up by other GMs; it's extremely likely that he will come back down to earth. Nobody really know how much though.

[ImissJordan]

Maybe people here should stop talking about a player like AD until we find out who will win the draft and I can see New Orleans most likely winning the draft anyways given the fact they lost CP3 and that team definatetly needs a player to fill the void.

We're discussing a hypothetical situation (a Davis/Val frontcourt pairing).

But yes, Stern will give New Orleans the pick. I am almost sure of it.

[Alfred]

It's too bad that the draft lottery is 100% not rigged, and is overseen by an independent auditor and a representative from each team.

[ImissJordan]

It's too bad that the draft lottery is 100% not rigged, and is overseen by an independent auditor and a representative from each team.

You watch. Stern is going to remove a ping-pong ball with a big dent on one side and a Hornets logo on the other.

[pass first]

Look at Utah Jazz. They have two proven bigs and two great lottery bigs and they haven't trade any yet. Raptors don't have to trade one of JV, AB or AD if they'd won the lottery.

Check the trade boards, Utah fans are turning down Kanter for Curry even though he's playing 10 mins a game.

Jazz are also a pretty mediocre team overall. They would probably do better if they could balance out their roster better between bigs and skill players.

I suspect they are just buying time for their young bigs to develop, and then will ship off one or two.

They're a middling team but not because of their frontcourt, much like Raps would probably be with Davis/Bargs/Val rotation and no firepower on the perimeter.

I agree that the Jazz will probably trade a big in due time (preferrably Jefferson I presume), but then they'd still have 3 legit bigs much like Bargs/Val/Davis, one fringe All Star plus two raw lotto bigs. Obviously they're not trading Jefferson (or Millsap) for the sake of trading him.

[Alfred]

I assume you're joking, but there's got to be a Poe's Law when it comes to conspiracy theories.

[Truthrising]

It's too bad that the draft lottery is 100% not rigged, and is overseen by an independent auditor and a representative from each team.

didn't you just love that story where that little boy w/ the disease stepped up front along with the evil GM's in david kahn and GIlbert. NBA where magical stories happen.

[HEKTOR]

I know there is probably a good chance he could be traded by this deadline or at the very least, next year when his contract is expiring, however - let's say his contract expires next year with the Raptors - what do you do then? I'd look to sign him to a small deal (2yrs) on small money (if possible) and think we would be a very serviceable backup PG considering how he's supposedly a great guy, not to mention that he can still run an offense and bring intangibles like leadership, experience, etc. to the team.

Any chance you guys think Jose could be back (or remain) in Toronto in a couple years? I'm not sure he's planning on returning to Europe to finish off his career, but I'm guessing him and his family are happy in Toronto and wouldn't mind extending their stay if possible.

[ImissJordan]

I assume you're joking, but there's got to be a Poe's Law when it comes to conspiracy theories.

I was actually referring to the 1985 draft, when GM's cried foul after New York landed Ewing (two envelopes were forced aggressively into the tumbler, giving them a bent corner).

But I'm not being completely sincere...only partially.

[Alfred]

It's too bad that the draft lottery is 100% not rigged, and is overseen by an independent auditor and a representative from each team.

didn't you just love that story where that little boy w/ the disease stepped up front along with the evil GM's in david kahn and GIlbert. NBA where magical stories happen.

Or when saintly owner Donald Sterling got the #1 pick in the draft 2 years ago. Everybody loves that guy, am I right?

[Fairview4Life]

It's too bad that the draft lottery is 100% not rigged, and is overseen by an independent auditor and a representative from each team.

didn't you just love that story where that little boy w/ the disease stepped up front along with the evil GM's in david kahn and GIlbert. NBA where magical stories happen.

The little boy with the disease was Dan Gilbert's son. Gilbert is the owner of the Cavs, and not the GM and was not on stage. The Cavs had 2 shots at the top pick, having both their own pick and the Clippers pick. The fact they won the lottery doesn't mean it was rigged.

[Alfred]

I assume you're joking, but there's got to be a Poe's Law when it comes to conspiracy theories.

I was actually referring to the 1985 draft, when GM's cried foul after New York landed Ewing (two envelopes were forced aggressively into the tumbler, giving them a bent corner).

But I'm not being completely sincere...only partially.

Yes, I'm familiar with that.

[Fairview4Life]

I assume you're joking, but there's got to be a Poe's Law when it comes to conspiracy theories.

I was actually referring to the 1985 draft, when GM's cried foul after New York landed Ewing (two envelopes were forced aggressively into the tumbler, giving them a bent corner).

But I'm not being completely sincere...only partially. :lol:

I thought it was a frozen envelope, not a bent corner?

[Truthrising]

It's too bad that the draft lottery is 100% not rigged, and is overseen by an independent auditor and a representative from each team.

didn't you just love that story where that little boy w/ the disease stepped up front along with the evil GM's in david kahn and GIlbert. NBA where magical stories happen.

The little boy with the disease was Dan Gilbert's son. Gilbert is the owner of the Cavs, and not the GM and was not on stage. The Cavs had 2 shots at the top pick, having both their own pick and the Clippers pick. The fact they won the lottery doesn't mean it was rigged.

meant the Jazz owner, you still get the point. It was a wonderful story.

[Truthrising]

I bet you deniers also deny the fact that NBA games aren't rigged as well. LOL