Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard (POR)

shortmikeshortt · Post #221 » by **shortmikeshortt** » Tue May 29, 2012 12:27 am

just saw this, thanks for posting...dude is so impressive in every way to me...on the court, off the court...intangibles...maturity...and his game is so perfectly suited for the NBA...think he's gonna be awesome and we'd be dumb to not make him the future PG of this team. Just my opinion...

OAKLEY_2 · Post #222 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Tue May 29, 2012 12:57 am

just saw this, thanks for posting...dude is so impressive in every way to me...on the court, off the court...intangibles...maturity...and his game is so perfectly suited for the NBA...think he's gonna be awesome and we'd be dumb to not make him the future PG of this team. Just my opinion...

I really like Lamb at 8 but if they draft Lillard and QO Bayless those are 2 young players they can go forward with for a long time. Then money can be spent trying to land the very best veteran small forward they can possibly find. The demeanor of this kid physically on the floor and in front of the camera all says good things. My question is who is now famous at Weber State for landing Damian Lillard as a recruit? I will not be at all surprised if this is our pick.

Post #223 » by **DG88** » Tue May 29, 2012 1:00 am

shortmikeshortt wrote:just saw this, thanks for posting...dude is so impressive in every way to me...on the court, off the court...intangibles...maturity...and his game is so perfectly suited for the NBA...think he's gonna be awesome and we'd be dumb to not make him the future PG of this team. Just my opinion...

What I like is that Lillard and Bayless can work together. Lillard is great off the ball as well.

shortmikeshortt · Post #224 » by **shortmikeshortt** » Tue May 29, 2012 1:11 am

OAKLEY_2 wrote:
just saw this, thanks for posting...dude is so impressive in every way to me...on the court, off the court...intangibles...maturity...and his game is so perfectly suited for the NBA...think he's gonna be awesome and we'd be dumb to not make him the future PG of this team. Just my opinion...

I really like Lamb at 8 but if they draft Lillard and QO Bayless those are 2 young players they can go forward with for a long time. Then money can be spent trying to land the very best veteran small forward they can possibly find. The demeanor of this kid physically on the floor and in front of the camera all says good things. My question is who is now famous at Weber State for landing Damian Lillard as a recruit? I will not be at all surprised if this is our pick.

I hope so...we need shooting, scorer, penetrating, defense, leadership and a PG solution - he ticks all those boxes. Like him a lot more than other prospects around our pick.

SkywalkerAC · Post #225 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Tue May 29, 2012 2:54 pm

He's too good and his game projects too well not to be our primary backup plan (one of Barnes/Lamb doesn't fall).

OAKLEY_2 · Post #226 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Tue May 29, 2012 3:16 pm

Does anyone else think that the solution at the 3 takes money and lots of it? That Bayless and Lillard would be a solid tandem going forward? I liked what he said about going to Utah.

Post #227 » by **DG88** » Tue May 29, 2012 3:32 pm

A nice blog article on Lillard

While Lillard's points (led the nation in scoring for most of the season, finished 2nd) got all the attention, his ability to run an offense without turnovers and score with efficiency is his real story. Lillard was second in the country in Player Efficiency Rating behind Kentucky superchild Anthony Davis. But while Davis used just 16% of his team's possessions, Lillard was using 28.5%.

Here at Mid Major Madness, we'll be using a stat called HOOPWAR from our own Benjamin Miraski. (Here's Ben's description and explanation of HOOPWAR.) At its core, the final HOOPWAR number is a measurement of how many wins a player is worth.

Lillard: HOOPWAR per 30 games: 12.533; DEF points saved per 100 minutes (lg. pace adj.): 12.46

Davis: HOOPWAR per 30 games: 12.98; DEF points saved per 100 minutes (lg. pace adj.): 67.145 (this is a ridiculous number)

Lillard is about every bit as impactful as Anthony Davis. Davis clearly gets a lot of his value on the defensive side of the ball, but this sheds some light on Lillard's value. Even more awe-inspiring is Lillard's turnover rate.

Lillard committed just 0.12 turnovers per possession -- in other words, he committed a turnover once every 8.3 possessions, one of the highest in the country even when compared against non-PGs and post players. When compared to point guards, this is matched (amongst other major draft prospects) only by Kenny Boynton (Florida) and Dion Waiters (Syracuse), both of whom are projected PGs who mostly played shooting guard in college.

When compared to the point guards considered to be the best draft prospects who played as point guards in college, Lillard compares thusly in "commits a turnover once every __ possessions":

Damian Lillard: 8.3
Tu Holloway: 5.3
Tony Wroten: 4.5
Tyshawn Taylor: 4.5
Marquis Teague: 4.1
Scott Machado: 4.0
Kendall Marshall: 3.1

In Lillard, you have one of the nation's best scorers while simultaneously being the most efficient/responsible with the ball.

http://www.midmajormadness.com/2012/5/2 ... an-lillard

DA_SCOUT · Post #228 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Tue May 29, 2012 4:04 pm

Im down for a Lillard sig lol those are some pretty impressive stats DG

cdel00 · Post #229 » by **cdel00** » Tue May 29, 2012 4:41 pm

.

The light has come on in Raptor Nation

.

The best part of his game is that he EXECUTES what the coach draws up.

The best part of Lillard as a teammate is that he instills confidence.

The best part of Lillard as a leader is that he leads by example. He works his ass off and is always looking to improve.

The stats testify to the excellence of his execution.

I like him A LOT!

Darknemo2000 · Post #230 » by **Darknemo2000** » Tue May 29, 2012 4:42 pm

Ari_Emanuel wrote:His upside is more humble Russel Westbrook. This could really work for us.

Not a big fan of Westbrook so not sure I like to hear that. One f raptors problems this season was rather poor ball movement. adding westbrook lite into the mix might not help that at all. Unless he is kept under control and doesnt take stupid shots when the shot isnt falling.

dagger · Post #231 » by **dagger** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:14 pm

Chad Ford just raves about what he saw from Lillard (attitude, shooting, ball handling, conditionning), and with Lillard's huge Hollinger PER - second only to Anthony Davis with a higher usage rate - sees him solidly in the second half of the lottery, i.e. pretty much six on down. Has him seven with a rising arrow on his big board.

one little quote since it's Insider

On Saturday he was still exploding off the floor for emphatic dunks, even at the end of the workout. Lillard is quick with the ball and has a tight handle. While we didn't get to see this in the workout, he's a willing passer who is comfortable finding the open man.

Above it all, everyone who knows him says that the most impressive thing about Lillard is his work ethic. He is constantly trying to improve his game, and it's hard to get him out of the gym. He looked like he was incredible shape and has clearly been putting in the work to make sure teams know how good is.

Post #232 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:17 pm

dagger wrote:Chad Ford just raves about what he saw from Lillard (attitude, shooting, ball handling, conditionning), and with Lillard's huge Hollinger PER - second only to Anthony Davis with a higher usage rate - sees him solidly in the second half of the lottery, i.e. pretty much six on down.

Has Hollinger released his draft rater yet?

Garmfay · Post #233 » by **Garmfay** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:21 pm

Remember Joe Alexander jumping out of the gym and was a Gym Rat??

dagger · Post #234 » by **dagger** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:25 pm

Garmfay wrote:Remember Joe Alexander jumping out of the gym and was a Gym Rat??

I really consider that a weak analogy.

Fairview4Life · Post #235 » by **Fairview4Life** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:26 pm

Garmfay wrote:Remember Joe Alexander jumping out of the gym and was a Gym Rat??

Absolutely. But Alexander also never consistently produced results on the court like Lillard has. Lillard's really good at basketball, as well as being extremely driven and an exceptional athlete. Alexander was very athletic and a gym rat, but not that great at basketball.

Garmfay · Post #236 » by **Garmfay** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:29 pm

Calling him Westbrook lite like some of you are are seriously overrating this guy. Bayless put up 20/4/5 as a freshman in the Pac 10 where as Lillard (senior, redshirted one year) played in a weak conference and struggled against California on 4-17 shooting. A Mo Williams is a more reasonable comparison.

Post #237 » by **Rhettmatic** » Tue May 29, 2012 6:11 pm

rick (ny)

Is Lillard the real deal?

Chad Ford (2:08 PM)

I think so. Just saw him workout in Oakland on Saturday. Very few weaknesses in his game right now. Good body/athlete. Excellent shooter. Quick off the dribble. A willing passer. Hard worker. Very efficient. Rarely makes mistakes. He needs to become an even better passer, but he's really talented. And this is one of those times that the advanced stats all support his production on the court. Great guy too. If he were at a major program, he'd be a top 5 pick.

SwiftyV · Post #238 » by **SwiftyV** » Tue May 29, 2012 6:33 pm

Garmfay wrote:Calling him Westbrook lite like some of you are are seriously overrating this guy. Bayless put up 20/4/5 as a freshman in the Pac 10 where as Lillard (senior, redshirted one year) played in a weak conference and struggled against California on 4-17 shooting. A Mo Williams is a more reasonable comparison.

Sooooo...one game?

Post #239 » by **DG88** » Tue May 29, 2012 6:48 pm

Garmfay wrote:Calling him Westbrook lite like some of you are are seriously overrating this guy. Bayless put up 20/4/5 as a freshman in the Pac 10 where as Lillard (senior, redshirted one year) played in a weak conference and struggled against California on 4-17 shooting. A Mo Williams is a more reasonable comparison.

One game

DA_SCOUT · Post #240 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Tue May 29, 2012 6:54 pm

dagger wrote:Chad Ford just raves about what he saw from Lillard (attitude, shooting, ball handling, conditionning), and with Lillard's huge Hollinger PER - second only to Anthony Davis with a higher usage rate - sees him solidly in the second half of the lottery, i.e. pretty much six on down. Has him seven with a rising arrow on his big board.

one little quote since it's Insider
On Saturday he was still exploding off the floor for emphatic dunks, even at the end of the workout. Lillard is quick with the ball and has a tight handle. While we didn't get to see this in the workout, he's a willing passer who is comfortable finding the open man.

I know he has good athleticism, but what really is an emphatic dunk, was he westbrooking it or was he jrue holidaying it...Either way, very exciting news.

Garmfay wrote:Calling him Westbrook lite like some of you are are seriously overrating this guy. Bayless put up 20/4/5 as a freshman in the Pac 10 where as Lillard (senior, redshirted one year) played in a weak conference and struggled against California on 4-17 shooting. A Mo Williams is a more reasonable comparison.

LOL cmon man, youre looking too much into one game. Whos your fav prospect at 8? im sure he had atleast one bad game.

If still on the Board by our pick what are the chanches we draft him?