Logo Rebrand (Everything Huskies/Raptors) Megathread

Snooch · Post #223 » by **Snooch** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:40 am

Ditchweed wrote:
Snooch wrote:
Ditchweed wrote:
They were racist and when you can't say anything against the argument of point and instead just throw slurs as a response, it just shows you have nothing of relevance to say. If you think that was a bad post that you didn't like, take the following previous made post that says it in full, stuff it up your nostrils, give it a good snort, and really not enjoy it:

MLSE should keep the Raptors name and claw logo, but if MLSE does go for a name change, the Huskies is the last name in the universe they should choose. It is a mark of failure and racism. It is the name of a team from 67 years ago that has no real tradition but rather just one barely played season with a 22-38 losing record, plus, it was also a whites only team from before integration. It would just rebrand the team as suckier looking "junior Timberwolves" failures far worse than anything the Raptors name could portray. As well, since it only has some connotation for local Toronto anachronisms who live in the past, it also slaps in the face and alienates all other Canadian fans. Trying to sell the Huskies as Canada's team would be an abject failure. It is 2013, not 1946, and time for something more appropriate than the Huskies.

guess what, most teams then where white only, so the knicks are a name that represents the same thing. So I stand by my original sentiment that refuting the name huskies due to "racisim" is absurd.

Chuck cooper was the first the first black man signed in the nba in 1950, so teams a that time that were all white included the knicks, lakers, wizzards, 76ers, pistons, bulls, celtics, pacers, hawks and nuggets.

All teams in all sports were racist in 1946 and the Huskies was one of them. The fact that others were too, does not mean the Huskies weren't.

In 1946, when the Huskies were in existence, Toronto was just a WASP controlled backwater ruled by a Victorian Boer war mentality that was outdated for even that time. That is what the Huskies represent. In the 67 years since, Toronto has evolved into a thriving metropolis and is now known as the most international city in the world. It's a completely different city from what it was in 1946. Aside from other negatives, the Huskies name also does not represent what the city is anymore.

The Huskies is a name of a whites only team from a racist bygone era in sports, and rather than revive it now, it is best left dead and forgotten. It's 2013 and if MLSE does decide to choose a new name, it should choose one that is more appropriate to modern day.

what are your thoughts on the name mike, or james, or frank , or joe...most likely the names of racists at some point. or how about mostly every city in the US, most likely advocated racism at some point in its history, I see you live in the US, did you know that the US was a huge advocate for Slavery? that what the US name is synonymous with, Slavery and Racism.....sounds stupid to say that doesn't it, yet that is exactly what you are doing.

The Husky and sled dogs in general is what helped fuel the Hudson's Bay Company, of which was a major contributing force to the economic development of Canada in the beginning, the Husky also represents a mode of transportation that was contrived over much hard work and training and directly out of necessity.

oh and just in case you start to call the husky itself a white supremacist..... :roll:

http://www.husky-petlove.com/allegro_huskypuppy_0975.jpg

And now I am done with you and your nonsense....

RaptorReloaded · Post #224 » by **RaptorReloaded** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:40 am

carl_english wrote:I haven't been here long enough but, what was the explanation to change the jersey from the purple to red? I believe the purple was still the best one.

Started with the red Jeresey's being our alternates with the white and purple being our home and black and purple being our official away i think back in 04 or 05. It was a Canada branding thing. When BC came he made the red's our official away and made our home jersey's look like the Canadian flag.

Raptorfan2012 · Post #225 » by **Raptorfan2012** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:33 pm

ballislife wrote:

Like your Raptors and Husky logos.

miruss2001 · Post #226 » by **miruss2001** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:58 pm

ballislife wrote:

Honestly, this is brilliant.

goodjoey · Post #227 » by **goodjoey** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:17 pm

miruss2001 wrote:
ballislife wrote:

Honestly, this is brilliant.

not at all. los manos' original was better.

Post #228 » by **Double Helix** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:03 pm

miruss2001 wrote:
ballislife wrote:

Honestly, this is brilliant.

It looks good because it's a combination of Los Manos' work, the Toronto Blue Jays colors, and the current Washington Huskies logo seen below:

RaptorReloaded · Post #229 » by **RaptorReloaded** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:05 pm

goodjoey wrote:
miruss2001 wrote:
ballislife wrote:

Honestly, this is brilliant.

not at all. los manos' original was better.

They're both pretty good to be honest. IMO if we are trying to market to Canada I think it's best to stick with the red and white but switch the name to Huskies. Incorporating the blue we market the city. I don't think the goal is to sell to a Toronto crowd who has more or less made up it's mind about following a basketball team. The idea is to reach other Canadian cities and spark interest there. I know the stereo types and all the bs that comes with the Huskies name but in all honesty as dumb as it is I can easily see the rest of Canada catching on. Raptors might seem to American for the common hick. A loyal snow dog that pulls a sled however.. lol you can see where I'm going. I want to keep it Raptors but if the goal is capture our own backyard and give up on the hope that Americans might see us as cool then lets do it the right way and cater to what the average Canadian might like. Not a half ass attempt where we get stuck with a stupid stereo type and no new fans.

goodjoey · Post #230 » by **goodjoey** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:21 pm

RaptorReloaded wrote:
goodjoey wrote:
miruss2001 wrote:Honestly, this is brilliant.

not at all. los manos' original was better.

They're both pretty good to be honest. IMO if we are trying to market to Canada I think it's best to stick with the red and white but switch the name to Huskies. Incorporating the blue we market the city. I don't think the goal is to sell to a Toronto crowd who has more or less made up it's mind about following a basketball team. The idea is to reach other Canadian cities and spark interest there. I know the stereo types and all the bs that comes with the Huskies name but in all honesty as dumb as it is I can easily see the rest of Canada catching on. Raptors might seem to American for the common hick. A loyal snow dog that pulls a sled however.. lol you can see where I'm going. I want to keep it Raptors but if the goal is capture our own backyard and give up on the hope that Americans might see us as cool then lets do it the right way and cater to what the average Canadian might like. Not a half ass attempt where we get stuck with a stupid stereo type and no new fans.

While I myself am not sold on the whole "huskies" thing, since it really has no historical significance, other than being REALLY old, i don't mind them as a throwback as we've done in the past. However, at this point, we are the toronto Raptors, and I think that should be the name we stick to. The raptor was a cunning predator, a beast, a stealthy adversary who's only purpose in life was to protect its kind. THAT speaks volumes to me being the only Canadian city with a team. We take care of our own, we have pride in our OWN kind, and the future generations of OUR city. With all this new Canadian tallent coming into the L (arguably just as good as the american kids), I want our homegrown ballers to want to play HERE. I think thats the direction our branding is going. We may not be a Top Free Agent destination for a kid coming out of Michigan or Louisville, but we can be for all the great Canadian talent. "Branding Canada's Team" isn't a ploy or gimmick trying to encourage people in saskathewan to tune into the games, its about being THE place to want to play if you are a talented Canadian Prospect. At least that's the feeling I get when speaking to my higher ups.

RaptorReloaded · Post #231 » by **RaptorReloaded** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:23 pm

goodjoey wrote:
RaptorReloaded wrote:
goodjoey wrote:
not at all. los manos' original was better.

They're both pretty good to be honest. IMO if we are trying to market to Canada I think it's best to stick with the red and white but switch the name to Huskies. Incorporating the blue we market the city. I don't think the goal is to sell to a Toronto crowd who has more or less made up it's mind about following a basketball team. The idea is to reach other Canadian cities and spark interest there. I know the stereo types and all the bs that comes with the Huskies name but in all honesty as dumb as it is I can easily see the rest of Canada catching on. Raptors might seem to American for the common hick. A loyal snow dog that pulls a sled however.. lol you can see where I'm going. I want to keep it Raptors but if the goal is capture our own backyard and give up on the hope that Americans might see us as cool then lets do it the right way and cater to what the average Canadian might like. Not a half ass attempt where we get stuck with a stupid stereo type and no new fans.

While I myself am not sold on the whole "huskies" thing, since it really has no historical significance, other than being REALLY old, i don't mind them as a throwback as we've done in the past. However, at this point, we are the toronto Raptors, and I think that should be the name we stick to. The raptor was a cunning predator, a beast, a stealthy adversary who's only purpose in life was to protect its kind. THAT speaks volumes to me being the only Canadian city with a team. We take care of our own, we have pride in our OWN kind, and the future generations of OUR city. With all this new Canadian tallent coming into the L (arguably just as good as the american kids), I want our homegrown ballers to want to play HERE. I think thats the direction our branding is going. We may not be a Top Free Agent destination for a kid coming out of Michigan or Louisville, but we can be for all the great Canadian talent. "Branding Canada's Team" isn't a ploy or gimmick trying to encourage people in saskathewan to tune into the games, its about being THE place to want to play if you are a talented Canadian Prospect. At least that's the feeling I get when speaking to my higher ups.

Attracting homegrown talent is important but Tim Leiweke has specifically said we have a potential market of 36 million people and wants to tap into it. MLSE is in the business of making money plus who isn't to say that sparking interest in other parts of the country doesn't spawn a new generation of ballers from areas we wouldn't have thought to produce them. We'd be getting talent from all over Canada not just the city and surrounding towns.

ballislife · Post #232 » by **ballislife** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:49 pm

dozendonuts · Post #233 » by **dozendonuts** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:08 pm

http://boards.sportslogos.net/topic/92431-toronto-raptors-concept/

If we're really going for the whole "Canada's team" I wouldn't mind this. Not much of a difference but it looks nice.

ballislife · Post #234 » by **ballislife** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:04 pm

nivea_ wrote:

http://boards.sportslogos.net/topic/92431-toronto-raptors-concept/

If we're really going for the whole "Canada's team" I wouldn't mind this. Not much of a difference but it looks nice.

It does... I would love that as one of the logos... the actual Raptor itself should be the one I posted or something similar.. it's fierce, simple, and sleek.

I think it would be a good idea to incorporate the Canada Basketball logo or something similar to it. It has the basketball and the maple leaf in it, that would look great with a raptor logo and a claw (separately).

Scraptor · Post #235 » by **Scraptor** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:09 am

1. The Huskies with blue-and-white screams winter to me. I certainly don't need any more reminders of winter. Maybe give him sunglasses and a margarita.
2. Not sure about this whole "Canada's team" angle. I really would love another team back in Van and if/when that happens the whole thing becomes irrelevant. I also know that it has a minuscule impact, but I wouldn't want the selection committee to think, well, the Raptors are marketed as Canada's team, they don't need another team up there.

ballislife · Post #236 » by **ballislife** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:23 am

pharring · Post #237 » by **pharring** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:29 am

ballislife wrote:

I'm in favour of the switch to "Huskies", but I do like these new logos, especially the claw-leaf. Put these on those "Project 34" uni's and I'm sold.

goodjoey · Post #238 » by **goodjoey** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:06 am

ballislife wrote:

my opinion is to stop trying to make that logo work.

TdotRap4Lyfe · Post #239 » by **TdotRap4Lyfe** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:20 am

ballislife wrote:

Personally it looks like a New brand of beer lol.

Rapz · Post #240 » by **Rapz** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:19 am

Hope we never go for a name change to Huskies, it makes no sense now. This team already suffers already by a bad Northern image, last we want is to underline it with a name.

Also the idea of making the team more Canadian is very stupid and will backfire:
- will make the US players feel even more isolated
- most Canadians outside Toronto will never give a hoot about NBA and Toronto anyway
- management needs to accept that in general (with few exceptions) different crowd follows NBA from NHL (whose fans by enlarge don't care about NBA and never will)

Raptors is a much, much better name!