Stein: Raptors in hunt for MEM's #22

[junot111]

There's no way Prince should be starting if we want to be considered a contending team in the east. At this stage in his career he should be coming off the bench.

+1 he's done.

[Raps Militia]

However, there are also flaws in this trade, Prince is a terrible player now, he's still a very good defender, but he's offensively null, no longer able to pull from 3, he can't shoot free throws, and he has terrible percentages.

Do we need offense from that spot though?

Lowry (33) / Ennis (15)
Derozan (24) / Vas (24)
Ross (26) / Derozan (9) / Prince (13)

I'm fine with him getting like 13 minutes. Plays defense, veteran guy to teach the young ones and you let Ross have a full season at SF see how he does. Then you can properly evaluate if you need to move him or not.

Plenty of offense off the bench with Ennis/Vasquez/Patt

I would prefer to get rid of him, sincerely.
7 million is too much.
Same goes for Fields, Hayes and maybe Novak.

We can't afford so many bad players with contracts so high, they are a waste of money and cap space used badly.
With this, I welcome this trade. A better pick, and Prince is still a better player than Salmons.

[grumpwalter]

The last time the Raptors had two first-round picks, they drafted Chuck V and Joey Graham, passing twice on Danny Granger.

12:23pm - 26 Jun 14

Eric Koreen

As I said before, passing on Granger is not like passing on Iguodala, Granger did have a nice career, however, at the time of the draft, there were questions about his knees.

[SkywalkerAC]

The 37th is a good pick. Wish we could hang onto it somehow.

Think of it this way though, 22 is better, and it's not as though Salmons was lighting up the world. Pure salary dump by Memphis, and we're getting the much better pick.

Salmons=/Prince
22>>>37

Except,
Salmons (salary dump)>Prince

I think it's still a decent trade but we definitely aren't exactly ripping Memphis off.

[jonny three time]

Masai could be floating this to try and shakedown a team with a vet SF who still has game left.

Although if it happens prince is still a good backup to Ross. The guy did start 76 games or a western conference playoff team. I'm sure he can be a solid backup still while taking bigger minutes for certain matchups.

[tecumseh18]

This is going to be disappointing when Memphis (probably) nixes this trade. Still, if it goes through, it's going to make tonight even more exciting.

The fact that it was bumped up to the #37 pick suggests the deal has legs.

Now if only that COMPLETE MORON Colangelo hadn't traded our #46 to the Suns to bring Telfair here, we could have used that pick instead.

[LastNameEver]

I'd rather have Pondexter than Prince

[Steelo Green]

The last time the Raptors had two first-round picks, they drafted Chuck V and Joey Graham, passing twice on Danny Granger.

12:23pm - 26 Jun 14

Eric Koreen

As I said before, passing on Granger is not like passing on Iguodala, Granger did have a nice career, however, at the time of the draft, there were questions about his knees.

It was such a silly tweet, what does that have to with Masai or this year?

[Naysorn]

However, there are also flaws in this trade, Prince is a terrible player now, he's still a very good defender, but he's offensively null, no longer able to pull from 3, he can't shoot free throws, and he has terrible percentages.

Do we need offense from that spot though?

Lowry (33) / Ennis (15)
Derozan (24) / Vas (24)
Ross (26) / Derozan (9) / Prince (13)

I'm fine with him getting like 13 minutes. Plays defense, veteran guy to teach the young ones and you let Ross have a full season at SF see how he does. Then you can properly evaluate if you need to move him or not.

Plenty of offense off the bench with Ennis/Vasquez/Patt

I would prefer to get rid of him, sincerely.
7 million is too much.
Same goes for Fields, Hayes and maybe Novak.

We can't afford so many bad players with contracts so high, they are a waste of money and cap space used badly.
With this, I welcome this trade. A better pick, and Prince is still a better player than Salmons.

It's just one year, though. With the contract off the hook, doesn't that actually fare well for cap-space in 2015?

[IMAN5]

What does Memphis gain? Is this a salary dump on their end so they can go after someone else Or lose Prince's salary and get a second round pick that they don't have to give a guaranteed contract? Do they already see that Prince cannot be their starting SF?

At 37 they can actually get a good wing defender to replace Prince for less money.

I think they are shedding salary because of the Z-bo contract talks.

[CrymeTime]

I could Massai then Moving #20 to:

Utah for #23 and #35
or
Charlotte for #24 and #45


I hope we pull off something like the Mavs, being able to trade down twice, and still got the player they wanted.

In 2009 the Mavs traded:

#22 for #24 and 2 second rounders
then
#24 for #25 and a second rounder.

so basically they got 3 second rounders by moving down 4 spots.

[IMAN5]

I'd rather have Pondexter than Prince

so would every single team in the league. prince is a slary dump, that's what we have to take in order to get the 22nd pick.

[Bertoo]

The last time the Raptors had two first-round picks, they drafted Chuck V and Joey Graham, passing twice on Danny Granger.

12:23pm - 26 Jun 14

Eric Koreen

That's such a dumb tweet lol

[Chriscross]

If this goes through, we are going to have fun ripping Prince all season

[IMAN5]

I could Massai then Moving #20 to:

Utah for #23 and #35
or
Charlotte for #24 and #45


I hope we pull off something like the Mavs, being able to trade down twice, and still got the player they wanted.

In 2009 the Mavs traded:

#22 for #24 and 2 second rounders
then
#24 for #25 and a second rounder.

so basically they got 3 second rounders by moving down 4 spots.

Who did they draft with 25 + the second rounders and who were the guys drafted at 22 and 24?

[protothe]

Oh god.....skimming the thread and people actually don't mind Prince?
Can't Fields do everything that Prince does (if not better) at this point?

I'd rather just cut Salmons at this point and not add any salary back.

[RaptorJ]

Prince is pretty awful at this point of his career but he can still defend. Would've loved to have a guy like that to dump onto Joe Johnson in the playoffs. He also comes off the books when we're about to sign KD.

[mtcan]

The last time the Raptors had two first-round picks, they drafted Chuck V and Joey Graham, passing twice on Danny Granger.

12:23pm - 26 Jun 14

Eric Koreen

As I said before, passing on Granger is not like passing on Iguodala, Granger did have a nice career, however, at the time of the draft, there were questions about his knees.

Don't forget about the great Roko Ukic taken 37th overall...

[Steelo Green]

If I'm not mistaken though, this move would severely limit our ability to overpay Lowry while also paying Grevis and Patman would they're likely to command.

In other words, if this deal goes down I think it means Masai is holding firm on paying Lowry no more than 11-12 mill tops and/or expects to let one of Patman or Grevis walk.

I would think you let Vasquez go.

No it wouldn't. At the start of free agency, including full salaries for Hanbrough and Amir plus our draft picks, we stand to have about $45m in committed salary. The tax line will be about $76m if I recall. What this trade would preclude is using cap space. We would have about $30-31m in money to spend below the tax line. If Lowry gets $12m, and we add Prince's salary net of Salmon's $1m guarantee, we'd still have about $10-12m for Patman and/or Vasquez before hitting the tax. If we draft a point guard, Vasquez probably walks. If we draft a PF, we might waive Hansbrough and open up a bit of room to use part or all of the MLE.

I'm under the assumption we grab Ennis. You take Ennis, no need for Vasquez as you said. Remember, Val also needs a deal next season as well so I would rather keep the cap room for him.

[ontnut]

I like this move. Prince is expiring this year, and we snag a late 1st. Prince plays as a wing defender off the bench. We don't need him to score imo, we needed a wing defender and that's what he is at this point, better at it than Salmons. There isn't much NOT to like about this deal. If it goes through, "I believe in Masai" needs to play today on the Tim and Sid show lol.